996 GT3 Cup Car - please someone persuade me not to

[Order66]

Cheburator mk2 said:

There are several Cup 996s at Touristenfahrt at the Nurburgring. They all somehow have Strassenzullasung, so it has been done before in Germany. I suspect a call to Manthey/Raeder and the others would actually be more helpful than OPC, who probably last saw a 996 in 2004, let alone a Cup

Are they genuine Cups, or look-a-likey customised GT3s etc?

I once spoke to someone who looked into converting a 996 cup for road use and gave up as it seemed there were many expensive changes needed (work on emissions, handbrake, noise, adding fans etc) and it was going to be very expensive to get it through an IVA. You would end up destroying a lot of characteristics of the cup to make it work. At the end of the day porsche made a road-going cup and called it the GT3.

I doubt any OPC or even specialist have direct experience in getting a car through IVA/SVA.

[Lemon yella RS]

Would be interested in how the OP got on or not at first track day ?

[ralfw]

Order66 said:

Are they genuine Cups, or look-a-likey customised GT3s etc?

I once spoke to someone who looked into converting a 996 cup for road use and gave up as it seemed there were many expensive changes needed (work on emissions, handbrake, noise, adding fans etc) and it was going to be very expensive to get it through an IVA. You would end up destroying a lot of characteristics of the cup to make it work. At the end of the day porsche made a road-going cup and called it the GT3.

I doubt any OPC or even specialist have direct experience in getting a car through IVA/SVA.

In Germany it was indeed possible to register a Cup as a road car without having to make too many changes. Not sure if you can still do it due to the Euro norm, but there are several for sale on Mobile. Personally, there's no way I'd drive one on the road though. They are fantastic on track but would be terrible on the road.

[dank]

The lack of pics of 996 GT3 Cup cars in this thread, is really quite depressing......

[MDL111]

Slippydiff said:

MDL111 said:

Thank you - I put a call into a Porsche dealer to ask what the cost of road conversion is - will also ask about the steering lock (I'd be surprised if it gets TÜV without the ability to complete a reasonable XX point turn).

Will update the thread if I make any progress

I'd have thought you'd be better off talking to the usual suspects : Parrs, Fearnsport, Redline Racing, Danny at Unit 11 etc etc (if in the UK) than asking an OPC ? who'll have little or no knowledge whatsoever of the 996 Cup. All the above have run 996 Cups and thus will tend to know them and their foibles, intimately.

Fully agree but now live in southern Germany and as I don't know anybody here, I figured I'll start with an OPC and take it from there - the guy did say that he knows a few guys who run Cup cars on the road, so we will see what happens....

[MDL111]

Cheburator mk2 said:

There are several Cup 996s at Touristenfahrt at the Nurburgring. They all somehow have Strassenzullasung, so it has been done before in Germany. I suspect a call to Manthey/Raeder and the others would actually be more helpful than OPC, who probably last saw a 996 in 2004, let alone a Cup

Thanks yes manthey etc will be next on the list - mainly trying to establish cost of conversion (and if at all still possible or if rules changed) as a first step. Buying one that has had the work done also an option (and clearly the preferred one if I can find a good car)

[hunter 66]

996 RS

[hunter 66]

2003 ..... GT3 RS won both Daytona 24 and Spa 24 hours outright , here is the outright Spa winner ...

[legalknievel]

Hello again all.

So we got the car out to Cadwell for the evening session eventually, having rented a trailer (I'm waiting till next month before buying one).

The car got through the noise test by a whisker. To be fair I got the impression the marshalls kind of wanted it to pass.

I then got some laps in it, and what a step up. Everything is magnified. The sound, the sensitivity, the power as it climbs through the revs, and the balance is simply awesome. As the tyres got warm I started to push it a bit but it was a shakedown and not a full session. I was also still learning and conscious of the step up the whole thing is.

Then the acceleration became jerky and power dropped off and I had to bring it in. The seller had mentioned it had been standing when we'd had difficulties starting it on inspection. The problem hadn't resurfaced in the meantime and it turned out to have been an alternator. Not a massively expensive part but certainly enough to end the session. Enter local random stranger Mick Duane who had heard the car not breathing right when it was on the track, figured out we had an electrical problem and offered his spare race battery. Turns out Mick races a 360 and has owned race and road cars including an F50 and didn't want to see our evening end early.

With that we got another 20 laps in, and I was able to give my father in law a ride round in it too, which made the day perfect.

There were the usual amateur slip ups and mistakes. Lost the splitter by unloading it from the trailer on grass, and was braking about 4 times too early for each corner as I guess most people used to road cars do, but it was on balance one of the best experiences I've ever had driving. Can't wait to get in again, a bit better prepared for the little things you have to be organised about this time, and really start working to understand the car properly.

Friend of mine Verner did a short video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D0q9jZILNJ8

I'm the one at the beginning with the long hair talking about Ferrero Rocher, predictably. Megawinner is the name given by us to the German Lamborghini clad friend of mine after a creditable third at our local karting track the day before. I'll find a picture of that to post for maximum shame for the losers.

We're a bit light on photos so far, but I think more may emerge.

Thanks again to all for ongoing advice. This literally would not have happened but for this thread.

Edits for late night typos and general mental incapacity.

Edited by legalknievel on Thursday 15th June 23:19

Edited by legalknievel on Thursday 15th June 23:21

Edited by legalknievel on Friday 16th June 09:15

[legalknievel]

The megawinner himself in an unofficial post podium ceremony podium ceremony. I'm on the left doing my best Multi 21 sick as a parrot vibe.

[dank]

awesome!

love the little video, car sounds fantastic

[Harris_I]

Good thinking to have taped the flap on the filler cap. I forgot to do this when trailering and lost it on the M25. Now my front fender has a permanent naked vibe to it. All part of the character I guess.

Enjoy the Cup.

[legalknievel]

Harris_I said:

Good thinking to have taped the flap on the filler cap. I forgot to do this when trailering and lost it on the M25. Now my front fender has a permanent naked vibe to it. All part of the character I guess.

Enjoy the Cup.

Thanks man. The trader Ivo van Reit trailered the car over from Holland to donthe handover himself and he gave me all the low down on mistakes not to make. Except unloading on grass of course!

[Steve Rance]

Lovely cars to drive. Wish i'd never sold mine.

In 911 terms they are an easy car to drive as the ABS pretty much sorts everything out. Nice car to learn in

[fergus]

legalknievel said:

Enter local random stranger Mick Duane who had heard the car not breathing right when it was on the track, figured out we had an electrical problem and offered his spare race battery. Turns out Mick races a 360 and has owned race and road cars including an F50 and didn't want to see our evening end early.

Nice gesture.

[Lemon yella RS]

Great write up. Good to hear you got on track ok in the end. Hopefully see you on track at some point. Keep the updates going.

[Cheburator mk2]

In the spirit of this thread...

Being offered a 996TT/GT2/3 hybrid race car...

Build by RDM Racing in Germany

2003 US spec 996TT 21k miles
RS Tunning Stage 1 (520bhp on stock turbos)
2004 GT3 Cup box with rod linkage (not cables)
2004 GT3 Cup diff
2004 GT3 Cup front suspension
2004 GT3 Cup rear suspension
Bilstein 2-way shocks
Sachs Racing 2-way shocks (spare set)
Cup top mounts (spare set)
2004 GT3 Cup brakes
Brembo 8 pots fronts with 380mm discs (spare set)
Electric PS pump
Carbon dash
Cup doors
Lexan rear window
Heigo Cup Cage
GT2 Evo rear spoiler
12 x BBS E88 (12" rears and 9" fronts)

It still has the original ABS installed but at the moment it isn't working since the 4WD was binned

Car has done 7 races since being built. No crashes. Was crashed before being turned into a race car though.

The car has a DMSB passport.

Guess the asking px

[majordad]

€75k ?

[Cheburator mk2]

majordad said:

€75k ?

Lower - I got a feeling I will break it for more than the asking...

[Dr S]

dank said:

The lack of pics of 996 GT3 Cup cars in this thread, is really quite depressing......

Couldn't agree more. How should we know what this thread is about...