Porsche 'conning' uk GT4 owners out of their cars 4 profit?!
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
Stupid comment !
with only 100 or so cars many people who love Porkers and have the money cannot goto a showroom and buy one,
GT cars now fetch overs so you have 1000's people dealing in cars now to make money, like Rolex, RC models, even Lego.
Porsche don't mind the overs really as it's selling all their cars without having spend any money on adverts etc, ALL cars are pre sold out with zero discounts.
The issue is we will see GT3's and GT2 RS on day one at Top555, Romans etc so it's not really fun any more.
Before if you really liked a car you could buy a 2nd hand one 3 years old etc now the ave person will never own any of the Sports range.
The big winners are McLaren and if Porsche want to loose a loads of buyers to other markets they have done a good job so far.
But while there are people willing to pay more than retail to own these cars there will be people flipping them for money, it's not hard to work out is it ?
agreed; with only 100 or so cars many people who love Porkers and have the money cannot goto a showroom and buy one,
GT cars now fetch overs so you have 1000's people dealing in cars now to make money, like Rolex, RC models, even Lego.
Porsche don't mind the overs really as it's selling all their cars without having spend any money on adverts etc, ALL cars are pre sold out with zero discounts.
The issue is we will see GT3's and GT2 RS on day one at Top555, Romans etc so it's not really fun any more.
Before if you really liked a car you could buy a 2nd hand one 3 years old etc now the ave person will never own any of the Sports range.
The big winners are McLaren and if Porsche want to loose a loads of buyers to other markets they have done a good job so far.
But while there are people willing to pay more than retail to own these cars there will be people flipping them for money, it's not hard to work out is it ?
NAS90 said:
I really don't understand the mentality underpinning this.
A car isn't a precious metal nor is it a stock nor a work of art to be bought as an investment
ITS A CAR
It was made to be driven. If you buy it, drive it (hopefully you enjoy it) and it happens to break even or make money when you sell it then fantastic, but the point of buying a car it to drive it, not to park it in an air conditioned garage and mentally masturbate over what it'll be worth in months or years.
The only notable exception to this is if you are car dealer.
The idea that someone would buy a Porsche from the GT range whether it's a GT2, 3 or 4 (RS or not) and not drive it because they're afraid it might devalue is simply madness. Buy the car you want to drive, drive it and accept it'll cost you money to drive it as practically every new car always has. By all means buy smart and buy something that gives you maximum fun for minimum cost of ownership but the constant paranoia over what your car will be worth when you sell it must surely detract hugely from the whole experience of owning one of these truly great cars.
DRIVE IT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR!
Rant Over...and yes I do feel better now.
Spot onA car isn't a precious metal nor is it a stock nor a work of art to be bought as an investment
ITS A CAR
It was made to be driven. If you buy it, drive it (hopefully you enjoy it) and it happens to break even or make money when you sell it then fantastic, but the point of buying a car it to drive it, not to park it in an air conditioned garage and mentally masturbate over what it'll be worth in months or years.
The only notable exception to this is if you are car dealer.
The idea that someone would buy a Porsche from the GT range whether it's a GT2, 3 or 4 (RS or not) and not drive it because they're afraid it might devalue is simply madness. Buy the car you want to drive, drive it and accept it'll cost you money to drive it as practically every new car always has. By all means buy smart and buy something that gives you maximum fun for minimum cost of ownership but the constant paranoia over what your car will be worth when you sell it must surely detract hugely from the whole experience of owning one of these truly great cars.
DRIVE IT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR!
Rant Over...and yes I do feel better now.
Akajak said:
Porsche911R said:
Stupid comment !
with only 100 or so cars many people who love Porkers and have the money cannot goto a showroom and buy one,
GT cars now fetch overs so you have 1000's people dealing in cars now to make money, like Rolex, RC models, even Lego.
Porsche don't mind the overs really as it's selling all their cars without having spend any money on adverts etc, ALL cars are pre sold out with zero discounts.
The issue is we will see GT3's and GT2 RS on day one at Top555, Romans etc so it's not really fun any more.
Before if you really liked a car you could buy a 2nd hand one 3 years old etc now the ave person will never own any of the Sports range.
The big winners are McLaren and if Porsche want to loose a loads of buyers to other markets they have done a good job so far.
But while there are people willing to pay more than retail to own these cars there will be people flipping them for money, it's not hard to work out is it ?
agreed; with only 100 or so cars many people who love Porkers and have the money cannot goto a showroom and buy one,
GT cars now fetch overs so you have 1000's people dealing in cars now to make money, like Rolex, RC models, even Lego.
Porsche don't mind the overs really as it's selling all their cars without having spend any money on adverts etc, ALL cars are pre sold out with zero discounts.
The issue is we will see GT3's and GT2 RS on day one at Top555, Romans etc so it's not really fun any more.
Before if you really liked a car you could buy a 2nd hand one 3 years old etc now the ave person will never own any of the Sports range.
The big winners are McLaren and if Porsche want to loose a loads of buyers to other markets they have done a good job so far.
But while there are people willing to pay more than retail to own these cars there will be people flipping them for money, it's not hard to work out is it ?
leemanning said:
So let me get this straight
He bought a car (regardless that it's a GT4 over list etc)
The dealer called and offered him a part ex price and talked down the value of it
He then part ex'd it, bought another car and the dealer sold it on for profit?
What part of that is not OK?
What the dealer should've done, like every other dealer, is talk up the car so they end up paying more for it than they need to. It's disgusting to behave otherwise.He bought a car (regardless that it's a GT4 over list etc)
The dealer called and offered him a part ex price and talked down the value of it
He then part ex'd it, bought another car and the dealer sold it on for profit?
What part of that is not OK?
Sorry - but the mate is an idiot. If you're not checking the market for yourself, and taking a salesman at face value, then you are pretty stupid. The objective of a salesman is to get stock in at the lowest price they can, obviously, to maximise their return. That's not even a dig at salesmen - that's their job, and everyone should expect that.
No one forced him to sell the car. It's unfortunate that he (and others) are in a position where they need the money, or are sucked in by older-than-time-itself sales patter and feel like they need to sell now, but them's the breaks.
ps. Money comes and goes, time only goes.. numbers ticking up in your bank account are a poor substitute for raw driving pleasure.
WCZ said:
jonny996 said:
You have to wonder why Porsche don't cash in on this & sell their GT cars in a blind auction style.
that would be the worst decision Porsche has ever madeDesert Dragon said:
Possibly the worst youtube vid I've ever seen..... very poor content...... presented by an over weight ill informed twit who seems to have no commercial experience whatsoever....
Otherwise thanks for posting
What does his weight have to do with anything? That's like saying something irrelevant to garner reaction as in "got overtook by a Pakistani this morning".Otherwise thanks for posting
George Smiley said:
Desert Dragon said:
Possibly the worst youtube vid I've ever seen..... very poor content...... presented by an over weight ill informed twit who seems to have no commercial experience whatsoever....
Otherwise thanks for posting
What does his weight have to do with anything? That's like saying something irrelevant to garner reaction as in "got overtook by a Pakistani this morning".Otherwise thanks for posting
Choose your own content but I'd rather watch a youtube vid like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2n0GhH91SE
Mr Smiley
Desert Dragon said:
George Smiley said:
Desert Dragon said:
Possibly the worst youtube vid I've ever seen..... very poor content...... presented by an over weight ill informed twit who seems to have no commercial experience whatsoever....
Otherwise thanks for posting
What does his weight have to do with anything? That's like saying something irrelevant to garner reaction as in "got overtook by a Pakistani this morning".Otherwise thanks for posting
Choose your own content but I'd rather watch a youtube vid like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2n0GhH91SE
Mr Smiley
And to say people in media are all good looking and slim is utter rubbish.
I'm pretty sure Clarkson doesn't "take care of himself physically" and he's done ok.
George Smiley said:
bordseye said:
Arent all Porsche sports cars drivers cars?
But some are more drivers cars than others 
Brb got a muslim delivery chap at the door. For a man that delivers and leaves boxes he should consider his apoearance.
In the context you mentioned a Pakistani you seem to possibly have an issue being over taken by Pakistanis? You use this as a similar example about my over weight comment? Your comment is possibly racist while mine is making a comment about someone who is a youtuber and whatever anyone says appearance is very important if you want success in the media world. The appearance of a Muslim who delivers you boxes because you think it somehow mirrors my comments about an overweight youtuber????
Yes I don't like listening to drivvle from overweight youtubers. How terribly prejudiced eh. Keep smiling Mr Smiley and keep posting - we see a pattern emerging
Muslims
Pakistani
What next?!
It appears the sawdust between your ears is causing you a problem, as demonstrated by your absolutely vulgar reference to the chaps weight.
My comment about being overtaken by a Pakistani was to try and show you just how unnecessary certain facts are, the pertinent fact was that I was overtaken - the mentioning of the race was vulgar and racist. The example was given as an alternative where there was no need to draw attention to an issue, as drawing attention was wrong, rude and unnecessary.
You brought the chaps weight into this for absolutely no reason other than to be Johnny Big Balls in class. Look at him, he's fat, he shouldn't be on tv. Bravo, you are a top bloke and a real gem of a human being. A positive addition to society with such observations.
Then, here we are off topic and I'm dealing with someone that finds it acceptable to spout such b
ks about someone based on appearance and also thinks it is acceptable to take a photo of their temp gauge whilst doing 54mph on a motorway.
My comment about being overtaken by a Pakistani was to try and show you just how unnecessary certain facts are, the pertinent fact was that I was overtaken - the mentioning of the race was vulgar and racist. The example was given as an alternative where there was no need to draw attention to an issue, as drawing attention was wrong, rude and unnecessary.
You brought the chaps weight into this for absolutely no reason other than to be Johnny Big Balls in class. Look at him, he's fat, he shouldn't be on tv. Bravo, you are a top bloke and a real gem of a human being. A positive addition to society with such observations.
Then, here we are off topic and I'm dealing with someone that finds it acceptable to spout such b
ks about someone based on appearance and also thinks it is acceptable to take a photo of their temp gauge whilst doing 54mph on a motorway. nudgerwilliams said:
Spot on
Not really IMV. Many cannot be classified as 'cars'any longer.So you bought an R for £150k, for example, now worth circa £350k to trade, and know if you put 5000 miles on it or would cost you best part of £75k+ of either lost profit or loss if you bought a overs. Same amount either way.
Then you would also have a less desirable model for the learned 'collector' too.
That hurts, however wealthy you are, and becomes a 'commercial decision' unfortunately.
So the 'just drive it' mantra is normally spouted by those that don't own a mileage sensitive car or live in the land of nod. Those who had the nouse to be able to afford such an outlay in the first place, no doubt realise this.
Sad I know, but these are commodities now. Ironically, where the real investment lies, pre 73, mileage is an irrelevance to value.
George Smiley said:
It appears the sawdust between your ears is causing you a problem, as demonstrated by your absolutely vulgar reference to the chaps weight.
My comment about being overtaken by a Pakistani was to try and show you just how unnecessary certain facts are, the pertinent fact was that I was overtaken - the mentioning of the race was vulgar and racist. The example was given as an alternative where there was no need to draw attention to an issue, as drawing attention was wrong, rude and unnecessary.
You brought the chaps weight into this for absolutely no reason other than to be Johnny Big Balls in class. Look at him, he's fat, he shouldn't be on tv. Bravo, you are a top bloke and a real gem of a human being. A positive addition to society with such observations.
Then, here we are off topic and I'm dealing with someone that finds it acceptable to spout such bks about someone based on appearance and also thinks it is acceptable to take a photo of their temp gauge whilst doing 54mph on a motorway.
It appears you cannot read and may well be a snow flake not a human being. My comment about being overtaken by a Pakistani was to try and show you just how unnecessary certain facts are, the pertinent fact was that I was overtaken - the mentioning of the race was vulgar and racist. The example was given as an alternative where there was no need to draw attention to an issue, as drawing attention was wrong, rude and unnecessary.
You brought the chaps weight into this for absolutely no reason other than to be Johnny Big Balls in class. Look at him, he's fat, he shouldn't be on tv. Bravo, you are a top bloke and a real gem of a human being. A positive addition to society with such observations.
Then, here we are off topic and I'm dealing with someone that finds it acceptable to spout such b
ks about someone based on appearance and also thinks it is acceptable to take a photo of their temp gauge whilst doing 54mph on a motorway. Snow flakes may not understand this but your ethnic reference is in no way similar to my comment about the fellow being over weight. I did not call him "fat" or say he "shouldn't be on TV". If I wanted to say this I would have written this.
Your ethnic reference by contrast is yes I agree racist, vulgar, offensive and not necessary. I'l stick with being a vulgar human being in a world of fragile snow flakes thanks.
Next time you hold a grudge about a photo you think I took whilst driving 54mph just ask and I'll let you know my passenger took it - in any event it's a totally different subject even if I did take the photo and has no bearing whatsoever on what we are debating...
And yes I have an issue with over weight people. They are costing our welfare system billions. I was never rude or derogatory about over weight people and its fact people in the media generally really take car of themselves. You on the other hand came up with examples as cunning and clever as Baldric that were as racist as a certain Republican President and you have the audacity to judge me as a human being from your keyboard after reading a few sentences on Pistonheads about my views on over weight you tubers lol - a little melodramatic and off the mark my little white snow flake sitting on your very high horse
Did you ever hear the one about the Pakistani, the Muslim and the over weight person?......
Keep smiling Mr Smiley
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