What happened to the bubble?
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Agree about the manual 997 Turbo being the jewel in the crown.
I drove the Gen 1 997T Tiptronic and the Gen 2 997T PDK and felt short changed by both experiences. But the 'manual' was much more enjoyable and engaging to drive. Still prefer normally aspirated 911s, but if it had to be a turbo - then manual 997 Gen 1 or, preferably, Gen 2 (but ultra rare I guess).
I drove the Gen 1 997T Tiptronic and the Gen 2 997T PDK and felt short changed by both experiences. But the 'manual' was much more enjoyable and engaging to drive. Still prefer normally aspirated 911s, but if it had to be a turbo - then manual 997 Gen 1 or, preferably, Gen 2 (but ultra rare I guess).
Fokker said:
In terms of investment potential or at least a better monetary purchase, I would be looking at a manual 997 over a PDK. Good ones are hard to find and have been appreciating.
I had a PDK Cayman R 981, just an observation but it had no blips on the down change and felt pretty flat compared to the newer PDK in the 981/991.
It ruined a good car for me. There is also the issue of reliability on the complex PDK box if out of warranty.
Absolutely. There is also the issue that the first gen PDK gearboxes will start to date. As these cars become weekend or high day and holiday cars people will want something different from their daily driver....if there daily driver has a more modern PDK or Auto box I am not sure people will want a weekend car with what they perceive is an inferior/more hesitant gearbox. Not going to be the case too much now but in five or ten years time I reckon the difference will be quite stark between contemporary transmissions and a first gen PDK. I had a PDK Cayman R 981, just an observation but it had no blips on the down change and felt pretty flat compared to the newer PDK in the 981/991.
It ruined a good car for me. There is also the issue of reliability on the complex PDK box if out of warranty.
Cheib said:
Absolutely. There is also the issue that the first gen PDK gearboxes will start to date. As these cars become weekend or high day and holiday cars people will want something different from their daily driver....if there daily driver has a more modern PDK or Auto box I am not sure people will want a weekend car with what they perceive is an inferior/more hesitant gearbox. Not going to be the case too much now but in five or ten years time I reckon the difference will be quite stark between contemporary transmissions and a first gen PDK.
I completely agree. Long term potential for desirability will rest with manual cars IMHO.Cheib said:
Absolutely. There is also the issue that the first gen PDK gearboxes will start to date. As these cars become weekend or high day and holiday cars people will want something different from their daily driver....if there daily driver has a more modern PDK or Auto box I am not sure people will want a weekend car with what they perceive is an inferior/more hesitant gearbox. Not going to be the case too much now but in five or ten years time I reckon the difference will be quite stark between contemporary transmissions and a first gen PDK.
I agree whole-heartedly with you that as time moves on, the latest and greatest new technology will lose its shine and be replaced with something better. BUT..... I also remember the discussions people used to have (and still do) about the 915 gearbox vs the G50 gearbox 
Cheib said:
I suppose the two things holding CGT prices back a bit is the amount made and aren't they very expensive to maintain ? Mind I know a lot of cars in that price bracket are.
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As recorded elsewhere on this site, I bought a one owner CGT in January this year. The UK car had circa 37k miles when I bought it to which I have already added around 4.5k . It has been serviced annually at Reading including two engine out services and will be due another engine out next year to maintain the 4 year cycle. It is still on its original clutch which now shows 29.66mm. I am in two minds whether to take the opportunity to replace the clutch while the engine is in bits next year. Advice anyone?S
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The total cost of servicing to date over the whole 11 years including consumables such as tyres stands at £29,121.64. This figure includes £1152 for mesh grilles which I had fitted by Reading and may have reduced its investment value but makes sense to me.
I was not readily able to find the CGT on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, but would place it just after food and water.
Purchase cost was between £400 to £500k. Value priceless.
lowndes said:
As recorded elsewhere on this site, I bought a one owner CGT in January this year. The UK car had circa 37k miles when I bought it to which I have already added around 4.5k . It has been serviced annually at Reading including two engine out services and will be due another engine out next year to maintain the 4 year cycle. It is still on its original clutch which now shows 29.66mm. I am in two minds whether to take the opportunity to replace the clutch while the engine is in bits next year. Advice anyone?
I'd check your wear rate of the clutch for the clutch reading this year vs the previous one. 29.6mm is still a long way from replacement required iirc which is below 29mm. The guys at Reading should be able to advise you best what to do anyway.
isaldiri said:
I'd check your wear rate of the clutch for the clutch reading this year vs the previous one. 29.6mm is still a long way from replacement required iirc which is below 29mm. The guys at Reading should be able to advise you best what to do anyway.
Part of the problem is that the measurement insitu is not quite as accurate as with the clutch on the bench. Service records show that at 11k miles it was 30.01. At 37k it was 29.49 and at 40k it was 29.66. The guys at Reading say the clutch is finished at 28.0. They also note that they tend to stay around the 29+ mark for a long time then tail off quite rapidly. In the end I will follow whatever they recommend. 
lowndes said:
Part of the problem is that the measurement insitu is not quite as accurate as with the clutch on the bench. Service records show that at 11k miles it was 30.01. At 37k it was 29.49 and at 40k it was 29.66. The guys at Reading say the clutch is finished at 28.0. They also note that they tend to stay around the 29+ mark for a long time then tail off quite rapidly. In the end I will follow whatever they recommend.
you have a regenerating clutch 
At 45k it'll be 30mm at current rates!But yes Reading have told me the same ie the clutch stays around 29.5 ish for a good while.
......I think we might see something deflate significantly rather than 'burst' over the next 8 months.
Doesn't take a lot for people who feel 'rich' with assets to quickly panic when they realise said assets aren't selling for what they thought.
I only base this on a recent visit to an H & H auction.
Doesn't take a lot for people who feel 'rich' with assets to quickly panic when they realise said assets aren't selling for what they thought.
I only base this on a recent visit to an H & H auction.
I imagine I’m a fairly typical Porsche buyer - would love a GT but cannot justify the expense; could afford any new car, etc
But I’ve no interest at all in the new Porsches, which means I’ll be a 997 buyer for years. I don’t think I’m alone in that. As long as there are a few thousand people like me, prices won’t drop.
But I’ve no interest at all in the new Porsches, which means I’ll be a 997 buyer for years. I don’t think I’m alone in that. As long as there are a few thousand people like me, prices won’t drop.
ORD said:
I imagine I’m a fairly typical Porsche buyer - would love a GT but cannot justify the expense; could afford any new car, etc
But I’ve no interest at all in the new Porsches, which means I’ll be a 997 buyer for years. I don’t think I’m alone in that. As long as there are a few thousand people like me, prices won’t drop.
Yes, but when prices start to drop, the potential depreciation on a used 997 becomes just as much a concern. But I’ve no interest at all in the new Porsches, which means I’ll be a 997 buyer for years. I don’t think I’m alone in that. As long as there are a few thousand people like me, prices won’t drop.
Things are coming back, and it will affect prices/demand for all models.
You can’t have 991s falling in price and 997s staying the same, even if you personally are not interested in a 991 for other reasons.
footsoldier said:
ORD said:
I imagine I’m a fairly typical Porsche buyer - would love a GT but cannot justify the expense; could afford any new car, etc
But I’ve no interest at all in the new Porsches, which means I’ll be a 997 buyer for years. I don’t think I’m alone in that. As long as there are a few thousand people like me, prices won’t drop.
You can’t have 991s falling in price and 997s staying the same, even if you personally are not interested in a 991 for other reasons.But I’ve no interest at all in the new Porsches, which means I’ll be a 997 buyer for years. I don’t think I’m alone in that. As long as there are a few thousand people like me, prices won’t drop.
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