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anonymous said:
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Yes you could - you've provided statements that would support the argument right there, fella. You even say it yourself - it's capable of fully autonomous driving. You are now adding criteria to your original statement, which is absolutely fine - it's that clarity of what you meant by fully autonomous that I was looking for.Was agreeing with you in my post. It's along way off until we see 'fully autonomous' vehicles on the roads in the way that sci-fi tells us is fully autonomous.
anonymous said:
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you are in dream land if you think it's coming that quick.ie you sit in the back of the car and it does every thing is a pipe dream 50 years away if ever.
Cars would not even get up most streets and would cause jams and deaths in the 1000's
yes we might see lorries unmanned following another lorry, but driverless cars is for films ;-)
anonymous said:
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I am a realest.people are deluded I guess, ask the leading experts , they say level SAE 5 is not possible (and on file) which is the driverless car unless 100% of cars were this which again is for films or >50 years away
In the formal SAE definition below, note in particular what happens in the shift from SAE 2 to SAE 3: the human driver no longer has to monitor the environment. This is the final aspect of the ”dynamic driving task” that is now passed over from the human to the automated system. At SAE 3, the human driver still has the responsibility to intervene when asked to do so by the automated system. At SAE 4 the human driver is relieved of that responsibility and at SAE 5 the automated system will never need to ask for an intervention
If you think SAE level 5 in 10 years on a product I can buy I'll take a £100 bet with you.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 21st March 11:58
anonymous said:
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Lets leave it at that and visit it in 10 years, i robot is not 10 years away lol, but it's great for making money and films and I guess people want to drive on the motorway at SAE level 3 or some thing which will happen and does, my Golf has tracking it's s
t mind you and would crash if a car stopped on the motorway in front of me, but for 70mph motorway work it manages, the thing is the driver has the last say and you think SAE level 5 is within 10 years lolthey can work on the tech all they like and prove a car can do it on a empty road or motorway, but out in the real world you will not be calling up a driverless Taxi to your house in 10 years or buying pods to take you to work ! can you hear what you are saying really ?
to answer this "What do you know that they all don't and what is that knowledge based on?" it's called being a realest and looking at the bigger problem not a Formula E pre programmed to do a lap.
Yes it's possible but the hurdles are massive and tech filters down to offer cars which can park for you etc etc.
SAE level 5 in 10 years pipedream.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 21st March 12:44
anonymous said:
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don't back track please or start with the name calling when wrong, it's very annoying and you do it to every one till they give in/up !!!to quote you up the page a bit as you seem to have forgot what "fully autonomous" means atm
"Porsche911R said:
we won't see "fully autonomous" cars any time soon, not in my lifetime anyway.
You must be expecting to be dead within about 10 years. Sorry to hear that!"
short memory and all that.
The focus is on electrification for the 'last kilometre' at the moment for delivery of goods, mail, groceries etc. In this case range is generally not the issue as the batteries can be charged to last a half day of short trips at low speed in a built up area and recharged over lunch and over night back at base.
Level 4 autonomy is almost here (maybe 1-2 years max) but the issue is legislation, culpability and the fear of mass action lawsuits.
Level 5 autonomy is a whole new ballgame but could work in isolation i.e. if the London Congestion Zone became the London Autonomous Zone.
However, for Mission E type vehicles the issue will remain range and battery performance. Unless you can drive for 4+ hours at 50mph average speed with the aircon on maximum, occasional full bore acceleration and repeat all this following a 5 minute break it will not be a mass market success, just a nice toy for the few.
Level 4 autonomy is almost here (maybe 1-2 years max) but the issue is legislation, culpability and the fear of mass action lawsuits.
Level 5 autonomy is a whole new ballgame but could work in isolation i.e. if the London Congestion Zone became the London Autonomous Zone.
However, for Mission E type vehicles the issue will remain range and battery performance. Unless you can drive for 4+ hours at 50mph average speed with the aircon on maximum, occasional full bore acceleration and repeat all this following a 5 minute break it will not be a mass market success, just a nice toy for the few.
anonymous said:
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show me a post by any who says it's possible then to be buying SAE 5 cars in 10 years !I also like Star Wars but come on really.
most say level 4 in 2030 which is dream dates, Honda say 2025 mind you for level 4,, Bosch say 2 years but they want to sell units ASAP and then gen 2/3/4/5/6 units !!!
the real driverless car not in my life time :-) and def not in your 10 year time scale !
browngt3 said:
So back on topic, what do people think of the Porsche Mission E concept SUV shown at Geneva? As a Porsche fan, have to say I was disappointed. The styling was pretty awful and a bit of a let down after the original Mission E show car.
As with all concept cars the designs are deliberately extreme and unconventional to gauge public and press opinion..The production version will be much watered down like the imminent Mission E.I'm getting the new Mission E and will probably get the SUV version as well..
anonymous said:
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cagey as it's not possible any time soon lol , and yes you did.As for cars at level 4 in designated areas yes I am sure we will see that in 10 years but that is not a car I can get in the back of and ask me to take me to work 1st then go and drop off the kids at school because that is what we are talking about here.
Of course engineers are working towards level 4 hence the money being pumped into it, places like Google village and Santander town head office will have level 4 cars, the cars will be on fixed routes.
we will see cars with no wheels before level 5 imo FFS engineers cannot even stop a basic virus or make a OS work on a phone yet ! hence I am in the job I am in fixing s
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