£50k daily driver

[kith]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Agreed, I have no regrets over buying a 997.2 3.6 compared to an S. I don't need the extra power on the road and I like the purity of the absence of a 'sport' button in today's multi-configurable driving world.

I too use it as a daily and have done over 13,000 miles in the last year, taking it to 50,000. With all the talk of manual Gen 2s being future classics, part of me thinks I should retire it to weekend use only before the mileage gets too high.

[kev.RS]

The only extra bits that you get on an S are PASM, 19’ S wheel and xenons and everything else including sports chrono,sports exhaust, heated seats,bose, Nav etc is an option so if Nav isn’t listed don’t assume that it has it.
It isn’t uncommon for a 3.6 to be specced higher than a standard S as where the 3.6 was a few £k cheaper new and not a lot of performance less then you could spend the extra money on some nice options.
With regard to the speed against the 997.1 S the gen2 is marginally quicker as a manual and PDK.
( 997.1 0-60 4.7 997.2 3.6 manual 0-62 4.9 so converted 997.1 0-62 4.856 or just 4.9!)
Performance on a gen2 3.6 Coupe with PDK is 4.7 and with sports chrono that goes down to 4.5 as it gives you launch control.
A manual gen2 S Coupe is 4.9 so theoretically you can have a 3.6 that is faster than a 3.8 and the cabs are 0.2 slower so a 3.8 S cab has the same figures as a 3.6 Coupe.
All pretty petty so I wouldn’t be put off by a 3.6 as I think it is a lovely engine that is nice throughout the Rev range and would rather a big spec 3.6 over a poverty spec S.
This looks good value for money and from OPC

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[Cheib]

I followed a 997.2 Carrera into the station car park this morning....they are such great looking cars. As an owner of a 997.2 myself I don't often get to admire one from a far, they just look so good on the road. I know the 996 has gained popularity in recent years but the 997 is a much prettier car and the interior is miles ahead IMHO.

[Porsche911R]

kev.RS said:

The only extra bits that you get on an S are PASM, 19’ S wheel and xenons and everything else including sports chrono,sports exhaust, heated seats,bose, Nav etc is an option so if Nav isn’t listed don’t assume that it has it.

The 3.8 engine and the nice S big red brakes :-) forget the tat, these 2 items are the big S plus points and the ease of resale :-)
for £50k you get a lot more value imo going for an S

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 5th January 09:18

[Porsche911R]

GameofCars said:

I really don't think the 997 looks like its on stilts
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I do, a base Cayman 987.2 also looks stupid sans PASM.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 5th January 09:19

[kev.RS]

I agree that without PASM it does sit noticeably higher.

[Porsche911R]

kev.RS said:

I agree that without PASM it does sit noticeably higher.

I love the 997.2 cars, for me like my R they are a last of a real feeling car, I looked at the base cars for a daily the last 6 months and came to think the value was not there. the brakes really put me off along with that comic ride height looks over my R.

An S looks a far better buy, but a low miles manual S is very rare, there was a nice one up at £50k before xmas and Hexagon have them if you want to pay £10k more lol

I would love a 997.2 GTS but poor value for money. a car I missed out on as I drove a PDK for a day and thought it was a bit dull. now I wish I had tried a manual one.

but when push came to shove the prices had gone back up and the Cayman R was still at £45k so I bought my 2nd Cayman R.

out of 92 cars I have only ever bought one car twice model for model, so it has to be good for me to buy it again, although I need to again sell it to fund my new GT3 which is a shame.

I loved my 2 R's and the 997 GTS again a sweet spot in the range.

yes an S in both models is a great drive, but the R and GTS are the iceing on that model era and I guess hence the prices.

I think people who managed to keep the 997.2 manual GTS are very lucky guys ;-) it ticks many many box's for the non track Road going drivers car.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 5th January 09:29

[MrVert]

kev.RS said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

That is a very good OPC price for a car with PASM and PSE.

I'd be on that in a flash if I was in the market.

[GameofCars]

Porsche911R said:

I love the 997.2 cars, for me like my R they are a last of a real feeling car, I looked at the base cars for a daily the last 6 months and came to think the value was not there. the brakes really put me off along with that comic ride height looks over my R.

An S looks a far better buy, but a low miles manual S is very rare, there was a nice one up at £50k before xmas and Hexagon have them if you want to pay £10k more lol

I would love a 997.2 GTS but poor value for money. a car I missed out on as I drove a PDK for a day and thought it was a bit dull. now I wish I had tried a manual one.

but when push came to shove the prices had gone back up and the Cayman R was still at £45k so I bought my 2nd Cayman R.

out of 92 cars I have only ever bought one car twice model for model, so it has to be good for me to buy it again, although I need to again sell it to fund my new GT3 which is a shame.

I loved my 2 R's and the 997 GTS again a sweet spot in the range.

yes an S in both models is a great drive, but the R and GTS are the iceing on that model era and I guess hence the prices.

I think people who managed to keep the 997.2 manual GTS are very lucky guys ;-) it ticks many many box's for the non track Road going drivers car.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 5th January 09:29

I know you quite like the R. Although have never driven one it does look a great drivers car on paper. Manual ones seem rare. Do you know what the PDK is like in the R? Sorry OP for going off topic.

[Porsche911R]

GameofCars said:

I know you quite like the R. Although have never driven one it does look a great drivers car on paper. Manual ones seem rare. Do you know what the PDK is like in the R? Sorry OP for going off topic.

imo gen 1 PDK is a bit limp, it don't shift when you want, the 981 cars moved PDK on loads, PDK Cayman R's are 2 a penny, no one really wants them.

The R is an expensive car so if you want PDK you are better off with a 981 GTS imo. The value in the R is the diver focused package which really means a manual car, that can be seen by what is stuck for sale and what sells.

[rabbitstew]

I was in a similar situation to the OP a couple of years ago. I ended up buying a 997.1 Turbo. I do 14,000 miles a year so similar mileage to the OP and also have 2 kids. 2 years on, how have I found it?

Totally awesome! Its a great daily driver, so smooth, easy to drive, comfy. I get 28mpg. The other week I drove to Newcastle & back in a day, something like 400 miles without any problems at all. The kids (1 and 4 year olds) sit in the back no problems at all. The other week they stayed over at the in-laws for the weekend and I fitted both kids, plus all their bags, toys, everything in the car. I can fit the weekly shop in the frunk no problems. Press the sport button (mines a manual) and the car turns ballistic. Not only that, every drive feels like a special event - that feeling you get walking up to it in the carpark, or just looking in the mirrors and seeing the wide hips/air vents, or even just seeing the bug eye front wings out the wind screen.

Costs? I had a minor service (£300), a couple of sensors went (£200) and 1 set of tyres (£880 for MPS4S). Insurance is only slightly more than the BMW 123d Coupe it replaced and looking at current prices ive lost virtually nothing in depreciation over the last 2 years.

All in all, great choice (at least for me).

[g7jhp]

I chuckle when people say 'feel dated'...yes against the latest tech, but a Porsche is for driving. Put your phone away and drive (add music as required).

I spend circa 7 years in two 3.2 Carreras as daily drivers, they felt dated especially on winter nights when it's laahing down.

If you can't live with a 997 as a daily a Porsche may not be for you.

[Abtj]

Thanks guys, it sounds like I need to test drive a 997. The link earlier (Kev.RS) doesn't work so i presume may have sold? - could anyone recommend any others they've spotted on sale?

There seems to be a preference by those posting for the 997. Can I ask if you guys driving the 997 considered and tested a 991 as well? It would be good to hear from anyone who's had/has both.

[Abtj]

EGTE said:

An idea from way out of left field: the best "daily" Porsche might just be a Panamera. Maybe even a diseasel.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGT7eqCNZVM&fe...

(GTS/Turbo would/are my choice).

Enjoyed this video but they are enormous! I've never really looked at them until I was at the OPC. I'm sure they're longer than most estate cars. Amazing cars but i drive quite a lot on small rural roads and i just cant see that working for me. This may of course determine 997/991 choice

[Desert Dragon]

Abtj said:

Thanks guys, it sounds like I need to test drive a 997. The link earlier (Kev.RS) doesn't work so i presume may have sold? - could anyone recommend any others they've spotted on sale?

There seems to be a preference by those posting for the 997. Can I ask if you guys driving the 997 considered and tested a 991 as well? It would be good to hear from anyone who's had/has both.

You need to drive them yourself. 997 is much closer in philosophy to original 911 i.e. small rear engined sports car. 991 is more GT than sports car and the interior is more luxurious/premium. 997 certainly the purer sports car and a gen 2 manual 3.6 pick of the range - if going PDK I'd pick an S or 4S. Difficult to compare them as they are so different.

This is sold but I'd be going for something like this one from an OPC or good Indy. https://www.chappellsportscars.com/stocklist/used-...

[Shaoxter]

Abtj said:

There seems to be a preference by those posting for the 997. Can I ask if you guys driving the 997 considered and tested a 991 as well? It would be good to hear from anyone who's had/has both.

I have a 997.2 S and tested a 991.1 S. The 991 is a great car, it's a little bit better in every way and I'd have one if it weren't for the fact that the cost to change is ~£25-30k. I absolutely don't agree that the 991 is in any way less of a sports car, it's lighter, has more power and is great fun to throw around. People only say it's more of a GT car because it looks bigger/they've never driven one.

However at £50k you're going to be a bit limited in terms of 991 choice, and you don't want a 991.1 non-S because that's slower than a 997.2 S... But maybe you'll get lucky and a high-ish mileage one comes up which you won't be afraid to put your 15k pa miles on.
e.g. something like this:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Edited by Shaoxter on Saturday 6th January 09:36

[Desert Dragon]

Shaoxter said:

Abtj said:

There seems to be a preference by those posting for the 997. Can I ask if you guys driving the 997 considered and tested a 991 as well? It would be good to hear from anyone who's had/has both.

I have a 997.2 S and tested a 991.1 S. The 991 is a great car, it's a little bit better in every way and I'd have one if it weren't for the fact that the cost to change is ~£25-30k. I absolutely don't agree that the 991 is in any way less of a sports car, it's lighter, has more power and is great fun to throw around. People only say it's more of a GT car because it looks bigger/they've never driven one.

However at £50k you're going to be a bit limited in terms of 991 choice, and you don't want a 991.1 non-S because that's slower than a 997.2 S... But maybe you'll get lucky and a high-ish mileage one comes up which you won't be afraid to put your 15k pa miles on.
e.g. something like this:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Edited by Shatter on Saturday 6th January 09:36

The 991 is not a little better at everything imo but definitely has advantages. Engine virtually the same as gen 2 997s. Steering in the 997 is better feel wise although still not the most precise steering ever to come out of Weissach. NVH and refinement is where the 991 knocks the spots off the 997. Maybe I'm getting old but the tyre roar on 997 especially models with 305 or larger rears is very noticeable in the cabin and on long journeys when you're tired the 997 demands more from the driver. The 991 is much better from this point of view and its PDK is better than in the gen 2 997 (although the manual gearbox in 997 better). Depends what you're looking for out of a car. I think the 991 is much more suited to drivers not familiar with the marque and non the worse for it. I'd still take a very low miles gen 2 997 as it will be pretty economical to run if you can find a good car. Very important to find a good one though which isn't as easy as it sounds. Good cars sell in a flash.

[Porsche911R]

Seemed a good buy and a nice spec, great daily fun driver :-)

Porsche just don't make cars like this now :-(

I feel people who can pick an era and keep for ever are very lucky.
I have a trying habit, then end up selling great cars.

I had the perfect garage before Xmas , and guess what, I sold some cars lol.

[Abtj]

Chaps, could someone please confirm the 997.1 Turbo engine is direct fuel injection and therefore bore scoring is not a worry - I'm looking at a couple of 2006-7 cars

[Filibuster]

Abtj said:

Chaps, could someone please confirm the 997.1 Turbo engine is direct fuel injection and therefore bore scoring is not a worry - I'm looking at a couple of 2006-7 cars

No. Only the 997.2 Turbo 2009 onwards are DFI. The 997.1 Turbo is manifold injected. Can't comment on bore scoring of these, but there will be someone along to clarify this within minutes