Porsche 997 3.8 needs a new engine
Discussion
Hi Mario
I think the regular oil changes is the way to go, its bonkers the schedules that Porsche and also BMW state but also in there interest long term in terms of selling parts to repair the clapped out motors.
As i'm going to probablu keep my 997 long term due to the outlay i will almost certainly service the car myself as i bought the service reset tool and have my own classic car collection and restoration business failing that maybe a decent Indy like AW In Emsworth.
Looking forward to getting the car back and will do an update if anyone is interested
I think the regular oil changes is the way to go, its bonkers the schedules that Porsche and also BMW state but also in there interest long term in terms of selling parts to repair the clapped out motors.
As i'm going to probablu keep my 997 long term due to the outlay i will almost certainly service the car myself as i bought the service reset tool and have my own classic car collection and restoration business failing that maybe a decent Indy like AW In Emsworth.
Looking forward to getting the car back and will do an update if anyone is interested
I never had this issue with my 997.1 S - but I did have the additional (central) water radiator fitted from the "X51 Powerkit" and while this made no major difference to where the water temperature sat (always at 90 degrees, which I gather is software related) - the oil temp always ran about 10-15 degrees cooler than was typical and never went above 105 degrees no matter how hard you drove the car. It just got so much more heat out of the system. And it looked better!
I believe Porsche should have always fitted this as standard and reading the results of the testing that Hartech did, I always had more confidence that the motor was not running quite so hot, especially in the height of summer when coming off a motorway, or in stop start traffic.
I believe Porsche should have always fitted this as standard and reading the results of the testing that Hartech did, I always had more confidence that the motor was not running quite so hot, especially in the height of summer when coming off a motorway, or in stop start traffic.
Hi folks i collected the car yesterday............
First impression of Hartech ....... Well if there was ever a good way to run a business then these guys really seem to have an excellent approach and are very customer focused. From start to finish i feltl that my custom was valued unlike sitting in an OPC being served mineral water prior to being shafted with a massive bill for dodgy workmanship with a dubious guarantee.
Hartech in comparison served me a cuppa in a proper mug and then Grant walked me through the entire process of rebuilding my failed 997 engine and gave me a tour of the workshop , assembly area, my jobs failed parts bin and then went over the car in detail with it on the ramp and pointed out any future area's of concern and thing to keep an eye on. I asked about the 3rd rad option and was given advice based on experience rather than "pub talk" and then it was time to pay up, discuss further the breaking in period and when the next oil change was due with the option for Hartech to do this for parts cost only.
I departed with a drive of 275 miles ahead and it was a delight with the car no missing a single beat. The main thing i noticed was the car ran far smoother and quieter with all the gauges reading as expected with oil pressure notably better both whilst driving and also more importantly at idle (3.5 Barg)
Although i need to break the car in when traffic allowed i did get to rev the car to 5k rpm after 250 miles and i must say the power delivery was smooth and instantaneous.
In summary Hartech are a very well run professional org that don't need any flashy suited and booted or pencil skirted staff as front of house, the quality of their work and no messing approach to rectifying and rebuilding failed Porsche power units speaks for its self ! Excellent value also when compared to OPC charges.
First impression of Hartech ....... Well if there was ever a good way to run a business then these guys really seem to have an excellent approach and are very customer focused. From start to finish i feltl that my custom was valued unlike sitting in an OPC being served mineral water prior to being shafted with a massive bill for dodgy workmanship with a dubious guarantee.
Hartech in comparison served me a cuppa in a proper mug and then Grant walked me through the entire process of rebuilding my failed 997 engine and gave me a tour of the workshop , assembly area, my jobs failed parts bin and then went over the car in detail with it on the ramp and pointed out any future area's of concern and thing to keep an eye on. I asked about the 3rd rad option and was given advice based on experience rather than "pub talk" and then it was time to pay up, discuss further the breaking in period and when the next oil change was due with the option for Hartech to do this for parts cost only.
I departed with a drive of 275 miles ahead and it was a delight with the car no missing a single beat. The main thing i noticed was the car ran far smoother and quieter with all the gauges reading as expected with oil pressure notably better both whilst driving and also more importantly at idle (3.5 Barg)
Although i need to break the car in when traffic allowed i did get to rev the car to 5k rpm after 250 miles and i must say the power delivery was smooth and instantaneous.
In summary Hartech are a very well run professional org that don't need any flashy suited and booted or pencil skirted staff as front of house, the quality of their work and no messing approach to rectifying and rebuilding failed Porsche power units speaks for its self ! Excellent value also when compared to OPC charges.
All i can say is there was a truck load of work in progress with circa 12 + engines either awaiting strip down or in the process of being rebuilt. My job took circa 3 months from start to finish but well worth the wait IMHO. I did wonder how many 997s are left awaiting a Hartech rebuild even if they were rebuilt by another Indy instead of an OPC.
Given my experience of dealing with Hartech but also OPC i know exactly what route i would select.
Given my experience of dealing with Hartech but also OPC i know exactly what route i would select.
Rossco196x said:
Hi folks i collected the car yesterday............
First impression of Hartech ....... Well if there was ever a good way to run a business then these guys really seem to have an excellent approach and are very customer focused. From start to finish i feltl that my custom was valued unlike sitting in an OPC being served mineral water prior to being shafted with a massive bill for dodgy workmanship with a dubious guarantee.
Hartech in comparison served me a cuppa in a proper mug and then Grant walked me through the entire process of rebuilding my failed 997 engine and gave me a tour of the workshop , assembly area, my jobs failed parts bin and then went over the car in detail with it on the ramp and pointed out any future area's of concern and thing to keep an eye on. I asked about the 3rd rad option and was given advice based on experience rather than "pub talk" and then it was time to pay up, discuss further the breaking in period and when the next oil change was due with the option for Hartech to do this for parts cost only.
I departed with a drive of 275 miles ahead and it was a delight with the car no missing a single beat. The main thing i noticed was the car ran far smoother and quieter with all the gauges reading as expected with oil pressure notably better both whilst driving and also more importantly at idle (3.5 Barg)
Although i need to break the car in when traffic allowed i did get to rev the car to 5k rpm after 250 miles and i must say the power delivery was smooth and instantaneous.
In summary Hartech are a very well run professional org that don't need any flashy suited and booted or pencil skirted staff as front of house, the quality of their work and no messing approach to rectifying and rebuilding failed Porsche power units speaks for its self ! Excellent value also when compared to OPC charges.
Glad the car is all sorted. A bit like you I have the intention of keeping my 997.1 for the long term, so if ever it is necessary and the funds are available it will go to Hartech. Would you mind sharing with us if you had any extra work or was it just pistons & cylinder liners and if you don’t mind the final cost. P.S. nothing wrong with a bit of ‘pencil skirted totty’ Old chap!
First impression of Hartech ....... Well if there was ever a good way to run a business then these guys really seem to have an excellent approach and are very customer focused. From start to finish i feltl that my custom was valued unlike sitting in an OPC being served mineral water prior to being shafted with a massive bill for dodgy workmanship with a dubious guarantee.
Hartech in comparison served me a cuppa in a proper mug and then Grant walked me through the entire process of rebuilding my failed 997 engine and gave me a tour of the workshop , assembly area, my jobs failed parts bin and then went over the car in detail with it on the ramp and pointed out any future area's of concern and thing to keep an eye on. I asked about the 3rd rad option and was given advice based on experience rather than "pub talk" and then it was time to pay up, discuss further the breaking in period and when the next oil change was due with the option for Hartech to do this for parts cost only.
I departed with a drive of 275 miles ahead and it was a delight with the car no missing a single beat. The main thing i noticed was the car ran far smoother and quieter with all the gauges reading as expected with oil pressure notably better both whilst driving and also more importantly at idle (3.5 Barg)
Although i need to break the car in when traffic allowed i did get to rev the car to 5k rpm after 250 miles and i must say the power delivery was smooth and instantaneous.
In summary Hartech are a very well run professional org that don't need any flashy suited and booted or pencil skirted staff as front of house, the quality of their work and no messing approach to rectifying and rebuilding failed Porsche power units speaks for its self ! Excellent value also when compared to OPC charges.
Glad the car is all sorted. A bit like you I have the intention of keeping my 997.1 for the long term, so if ever it is necessary and the funds are available it will go to Hartech. Would you mind sharing with us if you had any extra work or was it just pistons & cylinder liners and if you don’t mind the final cost. P.S. nothing wrong with a bit of ‘pencil skirted totty’ Old chap!
Rossco196x said:
All i can say is there was a truck load of work in progress with circa 12 + engines either awaiting strip down or in the process of being rebuilt. My job took circa 3 months from start to finish but well worth the wait IMHO. I did wonder how many 997s are left awaiting a Hartech rebuild even if they were rebuilt by another Indy instead of an OPC.
Given my experience of dealing with Hartech but also OPC i know exactly what route i would select.
I read on here Hartech were rebuilding 3 or 4 a week. Was your car actually left with them for 3 months? Seems a long time.Given my experience of dealing with Hartech but also OPC i know exactly what route i would select.
Three to four engine builds /week is about right but you must also take into account that we fit cylinders to crankcases for a lot of independents, build bottom ends and complete engines for others and export quite a lot too.
The sheer volume of parts required is huge and sometimes we experience supply issues that can delay a build but usually the greatest delay is in the customer making up their mind about the specification of their rebuild once all the options have been provided for them to consider.
Our oversized engine rebuilds are also coming on line and they take more time - especially machining the crankcases for the lower support rings and we have also been building the first prototypes of the 3.2 to 3.7 Boxster S engines so were a little behind.
There is always a backlog because we would run out of storage space if we let everyone drop off cars and engines when we are not ready to work on them - so we also try our best to operate a planning system to phase in the work but it is quite a big logistics problem not always easy to get running perfectly as it only takes on shortage of key parts to hold up and change things.
Baz
The sheer volume of parts required is huge and sometimes we experience supply issues that can delay a build but usually the greatest delay is in the customer making up their mind about the specification of their rebuild once all the options have been provided for them to consider.
Our oversized engine rebuilds are also coming on line and they take more time - especially machining the crankcases for the lower support rings and we have also been building the first prototypes of the 3.2 to 3.7 Boxster S engines so were a little behind.
There is always a backlog because we would run out of storage space if we let everyone drop off cars and engines when we are not ready to work on them - so we also try our best to operate a planning system to phase in the work but it is quite a big logistics problem not always easy to get running perfectly as it only takes on shortage of key parts to hold up and change things.
Baz
Baz
As i said i was impressed with your company, the guys working there seemed to be enjoying their work despite it being the 1st day back to work after the christmas break
The timescale for the overhaul was reallistic and the options put forward were sensible and hence i only intended having the engine removed once so the replacement of the engine coolant pipes whilst removed together with a cylinder head ovehauls seemed a sensible approach together with a new clutch etc.
Thanks
As i said i was impressed with your company, the guys working there seemed to be enjoying their work despite it being the 1st day back to work after the christmas break
The timescale for the overhaul was reallistic and the options put forward were sensible and hence i only intended having the engine removed once so the replacement of the engine coolant pipes whilst removed together with a cylinder head ovehauls seemed a sensible approach together with a new clutch etc.
Thanks
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