Porsche 993/964 historic prices

[Porsche911R]

CrashBang said:

ras62 said:

Even a Daily Express editor would blush at the inaccuracy of the numbers being thrown around here as facts.

I thought the same, 17K for a respray!!

depends what you want from the car, the tops jobs are £15k+ some quotes my friend has had have been £20k and that's supplying a bare shell and he knows all the top places, a lot of the top guys won't paint a car now unless they do the body work to stop any come back.

most cars at Silverstone classic and classic in the castle are sub standard, it depends what you are after I guess. A blow over or a show winning paint job which will last another 60 years.

these top end paint shops know the values of these cars now and where you could get a job done for £10k not long along prices have changed.

when I had my MGB done back in 95 I paid £5k for a top end job.

here is my mates, lucky he had it done about 5 years ago for 1/2 the daft quoted prices, but he has other cars which need doing now and those were the quotes. yes you can have a 2 coat blow over for 3k, you pays your money and all that.

I have seen £70k 964 for sale with paint on the rubbers and bubbles coming back though, I gave up looking, for me the markets gone.
I have also seen cars at £200k 911 S and the like and have been shocked, but I am spoilt with my mates car so now very picky.

[Yellow491]

IMI A said:

Yellow491 said:

IMI A said:

MDL111 said:

IMI A said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


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Completely different but I love both of these.

Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)

£250k

I spoke to the vendors. Its an old cup car re-shelled with a C2S shell and with 9m top spec engine. Bit too much as you can have a matching numbers low miles 993 RS for this. To be fair won't go round a track like that thing mind and thats the point its possible to build a car nowadays with modern tech which will outperform an RS. Some will call this RSR a fake but I think its a work of art.

So what is this car now,what has cup and rs got to do with it,its a amazing build done to a great standard,but motorsport rsr shells were narrow bodied apart from two very special rsr.It would no doubt cost a lot more than 250k to build today.
Where has 1 of 7 clubsports come from in the grand description.

Sorry yes its was an original clubsport not cup chassis - my bad. The C2s shell was modified and and fitted to the original clubsport chassis. All components were replaced and entire car nut and bolt restoration

Not bad mate,The shell/chassis is what it is a c2s ,the shell/chassis are integral,its a awesome car remember it being built for a PH member,similar engine to what is in my hillclimb car only mine is about 300kg lighter

[LaurasOtherHalf]

IMI A said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

IMI A said:

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car

I'd disagree with that. I bought my '97 993 carrera4, full service history in speed yellow with RS bodykit from factory for £21.5k in 2010. This was a cherished low owner car (one previous was a PH'r) that was absolutely mint-not a hint of rust and zero oil leaks-a great car. Around 70k miles iirc. I bought it privately.

18 months or so later I sold it (again privately) for £27.5k-I think? It may have been £26.5k and I netted another grand for the spare set of RS alloys I had.

Anyway, it was something around there, I'd rebuilt the suspension using bits I'd picked up at Gert's on the way back from the 'ring and had it set up to RS ride height and properly set up so it was a beautiful car with getting on for 80k miles on it.

Prices were already rising by then and I do recall a lot of posters commenting my asking price was purely speculative, which it was a bit I suppose. It was very expensive for a private sale but you try finding another in that condition, there were as I recall the usual dealers that had stock that didn't move at around £30k but still a healthy 993 market at the low £20k's.

As it happened, it never even saw the market, a poster PM'd me and spent around 6 hours inspecting it and found nothing wrong-he bought it that day.

Wish I hadn't sold it!

C4 in the used market has always been behind C2. also i was using then OPC prices as a benchmark as they generally have clean cars. I saw Hexagon buy a low miles 993 C2 from Porschecraft for 26.5k in 2009 - turquoise met car. i looked at the history and no way it was a low miles car for me. Hexagon sold the car for £45k

Well again, I disagree (from personal experience). There was absolutely no discernible difference in price back then between C2 & 4, condition was everything along with service history, mileage and owners.

Tips were worth less and cabs were too, targas were actually worth slightly more than coupes if everything else was equal.

Variorams carried a premium but everything else was condition and history based.

This was before the buying scene turned speculative and wky although quite a few of us realised it was going to happen soon.

Gone are the days of tearing around the ‘ring in old air cooled Porsches for the average man

[Porsche911R]

993 C2s were 25 to 27k 911V did most sales at the time.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Porsche911R said:

993 C2s were 25 to 27k 911V did most sales at the time.

How many were you buying and selling back then oh oracle?

[IMI A]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

IMI A said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

IMI A said:

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car

I'd disagree with that. I bought my '97 993 carrera4, full service history in speed yellow with RS bodykit from factory for £21.5k in 2010. This was a cherished low owner car (one previous was a PH'r) that was absolutely mint-not a hint of rust and zero oil leaks-a great car. Around 70k miles iirc. I bought it privately.

18 months or so later I sold it (again privately) for £27.5k-I think? It may have been £26.5k and I netted another grand for the spare set of RS alloys I had.

Anyway, it was something around there, I'd rebuilt the suspension using bits I'd picked up at Gert's on the way back from the 'ring and had it set up to RS ride height and properly set up so it was a beautiful car with getting on for 80k miles on it.

Prices were already rising by then and I do recall a lot of posters commenting my asking price was purely speculative, which it was a bit I suppose. It was very expensive for a private sale but you try finding another in that condition, there were as I recall the usual dealers that had stock that didn't move at around £30k but still a healthy 993 market at the low £20k's.

As it happened, it never even saw the market, a poster PM'd me and spent around 6 hours inspecting it and found nothing wrong-he bought it that day.

Wish I hadn't sold it!

C4 in the used market has always been behind C2. also i was using then OPC prices as a benchmark as they generally have clean cars. I saw Hexagon buy a low miles 993 C2 from Porschecraft for 26.5k in 2009 - turquoise met car. i looked at the history and no way it was a low miles car for me. Hexagon sold the car for £45k

Well again, I disagree (from personal experience). There was absolutely no discernible difference in price back then between C2 & 4, condition was everything along with service history, mileage and owners.

Tips were worth less and cabs were too, targas were actually worth slightly more than coupes if everything else was equal.

Variorams carried a premium but everything else was condition and history based.

This was before the buying scene turned speculative and wky although quite a few of us realised it was going to happen soon.

Gone are the days of tearing around the ‘ring in old air cooled Porsches for the average man

Yes in the early days there was no discernible difference in price between C2 and C4. I do remember a scramble in my office to start tucking aircooled away though as early as 2005

Edited by IMI A on Wednesday 22 August 12:55

[ras62]

Porsche911R said:

depends what you want from the car, the tops jobs are £15k+ some quotes my friend has had have been £20k and that's supplying a bare shell and he knows all the top places, a lot of the top guys won't paint a car now unless they do the body work to stop any come back.

most cars at Silverstone classic and classic in the castle are sub standard, it depends what you are after I guess. A blow over or a show winning paint job which will last another 60 years.

these top end paint shops know the values of these cars now and where you could get a job done for £10k not long along prices have changed.

when I had my MGB done back in 95 I paid £5k for a top end job.

here is my mates, lucky he had it done about 5 years ago for 1/2 the daft quoted prices, but he has other cars which need doing now and those were the quotes. yes you can have a 2 coat blow over for 3k, you pays your money and all that.

I have seen £70k 964 for sale with paint on the rubbers and bubbles coming back though, I gave up looking, for me the markets gone.
I have also seen cars at £200k 911 S and the like and have been shocked, but I am spoilt with my mates car so now very picky.

So let me get this right. You are now also an expert on paint and based on your mate knowing ALL the 'top' places the prices you quote cannot be bettered as they couldn't possibly be for a 'top' job.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

ras62 said:

So let me get this right. You are now also an expert on paint and based on your mate knowing ALL the 'top' places the prices you quote cannot be bettered as they couldn't possibly be for a 'top' job.

Well this is what's wrong with these forum based threads. Anyone can say anything with absolutely zero reference or evidence. Witness the conversation above with IMI A, after each statement having been given proof by an owner that the opposite was true he comes out with another statement contradicting his previous post.

Not that this matters in the slightest I suppose, who cares?

However I'm not sure why these posters continue to post such waffle? I can't imagine anyone being impressed by some made up supposed expertise on a forum where you're anonymous. Perhaps people enjoy the subterfuge?

Anyway, I suppose taking all that into account I could be talking bks as well and made up everything I've said about my "imaginary" car

[IMI A]

Apologies don’t mean to be contrary. The fellow was only asking for a rough idea of prices at certain dates. I tried to help from memory. I’m sure I’m millions of miles apart. The point I’m trying to make is there’s a big difference between a good car and junk. Even more so today.

[BertBert]

Are we convinced of the 430bhp of the 9m car?

[IMI A]

BertBert said:

Are we convinced of the 430bhp of the 9m car?

I love it. The asking price is ambitious but what do I know! Only way to tell re 430bhp and torque is to get her on a decent dyno

[CrashBang]

Porsche911R said:

CrashBang said:

ras62 said:

Even a Daily Express editor would blush at the inaccuracy of the numbers being thrown around here as facts.

I thought the same, 17K for a respray!!

depends what you want from the car, the tops jobs are £15k+ some quotes my friend has had have been £20k and that's supplying a bare shell and he knows all the top places, a lot of the top guys won't paint a car now unless they do the body work to stop any come back.

most cars at Silverstone classic and classic in the castle are sub standard, it depends what you are after I guess. A blow over or a show winning paint job which will last another 60 years.

these top end paint shops know the values of these cars now and where you could get a job done for £10k not long along prices have changed.

when I had my MGB done back in 95 I paid £5k for a top end job.

here is my mates, lucky he had it done about 5 years ago for 1/2 the daft quoted prices, but he has other cars which need doing now and those were the quotes. yes you can have a 2 coat blow over for 3k, you pays your money and all that.

I have seen £70k 964 for sale with paint on the rubbers and bubbles coming back though, I gave up looking, for me the markets gone.
I have also seen cars at £200k 911 S and the like and have been shocked, but I am spoilt with my mates car so now very picky.

All I can say is that your friends whom are paying circa 20K for a re-spray are having there pants pulled down and some!!

I know a man whom has painted some of the most sought after 964's available, they share a name with a well know sewing machine, I can assure you that for a bare shell prep and paint the number is still nowhere near the number your quoting just for paint.

However if your friends are using a middle man/one stop shop, whom is sub-contracting the work, they are being exploited.

[IMI A]

Any way here’s some more pics of an “imaginary” 993 to lighten the very serious audited verified Mr Bean numbers some people seem to want.

Glad someone had the imagination to cobble her together

[LaurasOtherHalf]

IMI A said:

Any way here’s some more pics of an “imaginary” 993 to lighten the very serious audited verified Mr Bean numbers some people seem to want.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound obtuse but the OP wanted accurate details about prices of cars over a certain period and you've been called out by a couple of people as talking bks and continually contradicting yourself.

You admit to not knowing the answer to what the OP is looking for so resort to trying to derail the thread for some reason? I'm not sure what your purpose is on this thread?

[IMI A]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

IMI A said:

Any way here’s some more pics of an “imaginary” 993 to lighten the very serious audited verified Mr Bean numbers some people seem to want.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound obtuse but the OP wanted accurate details about prices of cars over a certain period and you've been called out by a couple of people as talking bks and continually contradicting yourself.

You admit to not knowing the answer to what the OP is looking for so resort to trying to derail the thread for some reason? I'm not sure what your purpose is on this thread?

Gosh I offered for the fellow to go have a drive of the 993 at 911V. Can’t see how that’s not being anything but helpful.

I’ll also stand by my comment I’ve not seen a 993 I would buy ever for less than £30k so from my own personal experience being nothing less than accurate. Horses for courses your 993 c4 for 27k back in the day I wouldn’t have looked at personally as have a few other 911 with 4wd?

Which part of that is bks exactly munchkins?

[IMI A]

And just to add whilst it’s interesting to look at historical prices the important part is a) is the OP going to enjoy a 993 v his GT3 and b) what they cost today. Everything else is drivel

[Porsche911R]

ras62 said:

So let me get this right. You are now also an expert on paint and based on your mate knowing ALL the 'top' places the prices you quote cannot be bettered as they couldn't possibly be for a 'top' job.

I am no expect on paint other wise I would be a sprayer ! , but it's easy to see what a car looks like, most cars goto all the big shows and not many have the wow factor even with big names behind them, post up some places which you recommend and I'll past them on. I think he has had 3 quotes all daft, the 911 was done I think at Sportwagen.

[Porsche911R]

CrashBang said:

I know a man whom has painted some of the most sought after 964's available, they share a name with a well know sewing machine, I can assure you that for a bare shell prep and paint the number is still nowhere near the number your quoting just for paint.

on cars which cost £500k in the 1st place lol , I am sure if I were to ask singer for a price it would be eye watering.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

IMI A said:

Which part of that is bks exactly munchkins?

This part;

IMI A said:

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car

[Steve Rance]

When I bought my 993 in 2008 there were a lot of people saying 'these prices are crazy, i'm waiting for the bubble to burst'. When i bought my 964 in 2016 there were a lot of people saying 'these prices are crazy, i'm waiting for the bubble to burst.

There are still the same people saying 'these prices are crazy, i'm waiting for the bubble to burst'

I've still got both cars and have no intention of selling either. I don't know what prices are going to do but i do know that over the last 10 years i've had an awful lot of fun - and it doesnt matter how much money you've got, you cant buy those days back.

Far to many dry minds on this forum.