Porsche 993/964 historic prices

[IMI A]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

IMI A said:

Which part of that is bks exactly munchkins?

This part;

IMI A said:

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car

LMAO pmd

You’re getting upset over a 10% variance back in 2005 lol

Maybe the variance is because I always look at the most expensive cars in the classified to buy the best car. This has served me very well over the years

[v8ksn]

I would just like to say that I have found every post on this thread interesting and valuable and I would like to thank every poster.

There are lot of people on this forum with considerably more experience with 911's than me. I have asked for information to help me try and decide what 'good value' is in this market place and all information and experiences are helpful.

I don't really want a car that is already done as there is no fun in the build for me. I am just looking for a good value solid car with no horror stories that I can drive and modify and cherish for years to come.

The problem for me is figuring out what will need doing and how much I should pay.

[Double gauche]

Porsche911R said:

CrashBang said:

I know a man whom has painted some of the most sought after 964's available, they share a name with a well know sewing machine, I can assure you that for a bare shell prep and paint the number is still nowhere near the number your quoting just for paint.

on cars which cost £500k in the 1st place lol , I am sure if I were to ask singer for a price it would be eye watering.

Bruce at Sportwagen will charge around £20k for a full Resto type respray. he is the absolute best in the business though. i asked him to price a 73 T for me a while back.
same price to repaint a 73 RS as a 73 T so he told me to walk away from that car - so i did!


It doesn't have to be that much for a very good job however.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Steve Rance said:

When I bought my 993 in 2008 there were a lot of people saying 'these prices are crazy, i'm waiting for the bubble to burst'. When i bought my 964 in 2016 there were a lot of people saying 'these prices are crazy, i'm waiting for the bubble to burst.

There are still the same people saying 'these prices are crazy, i'm waiting for the bubble to burst'

I've still got both cars and have no intention of selling either. I don't know what prices are going to do but i do know that over the last 10 years i've had an awful lot of fun - and it doesnt matter how much money you've got, you cant buy those days back.

Far to many dry minds on this forum.

The thing with the "bubble" is that even if someone's car's value crashes, it's still no different to any other car anyone uses. Cars cost money one way or another I guess.

Still, we'll be out in the RS next week at ring-meisters, last summer I think we were the only 997.1RS on the track day which is the real sad thing about values.

[SignalGruen]

I paid £20k for a low mile (around 30K) 964 Celebration in 2009, sold it for £23.5k 18 months later. Same car is now up for sale at a HK dealer for £180k . I seem to remember around that time that 964 C2's where around £15k for a good one and around £40k for a 964RS. I paid £13.5k in 2010 for a LHD 964 C4 with 85k.

[IMI A]

SignalGruen said:

I paid £20k for a low mile (around 30K) 964 Celebration in 2009, sold it for £23.5k 18 months later. Same car is now up for sale at a HK dealer for £180k . I seem to remember around that time that 964 C2's where around £15k for a good one and around £40k for a 964RS. I paid £13.5k in 2010 for a LHD 964 C4 with 85k.

964s in general really were not loved. I was offered a 3.6 turbo for mid twentys!

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Don’t talk to me about 964 RS’, that was my reason for joining PH to find out if anyone knew about one I was going to buy (it had been in an undisclosed accident as it happened!).

I think I had my M3 CSL in around 07-08 and I was going to do a deal with an Irish chap I met at the ring for the CSL plus cash for his RS.

All in, it would have made the RS about £40k which I just thought was too expensive

You used to see so many of them out on TF and at Spa, great track cars that could go on forever (or felt like it). Very much like the GT3s I suppose.

[CrashBang]

Porsche911R said:

CrashBang said:

I know a man whom has painted some of the most sought after 964's available, they share a name with a well know sewing machine, I can assure you that for a bare shell prep and paint the number is still nowhere near the number your quoting just for paint.

on cars which cost £500k in the 1st place lol , I am sure if I were to ask singer for a price it would be eye watering.

Exactly, the illusion of the price needing to be reassuring expensive! - When in reality your being taken for a ride!

[Porsche911R]

CrashBang said:

Exactly, the illusion of the price needing to be reassuring expensive! - When in reality your being taken for a ride!

so you cannot really come up with some one who can do it then.

[CrashBang]

Porsche911R said:

CrashBang said:

Exactly, the illusion of the price needing to be reassuring expensive! - When in reality your being taken for a ride!

so you cannot really come up with some one who can do it then.

Yes I can, I have already made that clear - Your friends whom are paying the numbers you have quoted are being taken for a ride!

[Porsche911R]

Double gauche said:

Bruce at Sportwagen will charge around £20k for a full Resto type respray. he is the absolute best in the business though. i asked him to price a 73 T for me a while back.
same price to repaint a 73 RS as a 73 T so he told me to walk away from that car - so i did!


It doesn't have to be that much for a very good job however.

got any names we can try for a quote, as you can see the 65 was done by Bruce at Sportwagen, so it will need to be just as good.

but the quotes are not looking great atm ! £15k seems the best but we need to go and see some finished cars.
As I said at the start, it DOES cost just as much to do a 964 or a 911T up as a RS so not sure how one can makes the old cheaper cars to a price and work.

[Porsche911R]

CrashBang said:

Yes I can, I have already made that clear - Your friends whom are paying the numbers you have quoted are being taken for a ride!

FFS post some companies then. it's like pulling teeth atm with no answers, just noise !!

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 22 August 16:05

[Steve Rance]

v8ksn said:

I would just like to say that I have found every post on this thread interesting and valuable and I would like to thank every poster.

There are lot of people on this forum with considerably more experience with 911's than me. I have asked for information to help me try and decide what 'good value' is in this market place and all information and experiences are helpful.

I don't really want a car that is already done as there is no fun in the build for me. I am just looking for a good value solid car with no horror stories that I can drive and modify and cherish for years to come.

The problem for me is figuring out what will need doing and how much I should pay.

I'd start at the end point and work back when you cost it. A lot of stuff that you may need to do to a car with for example 'tired suspension' may be replaced if you are fitting new bushes, dampers and spring plates. If you drop the engine to replace the mounts. Why not fit an RSR engine brace, LWF, check the tappets and the clutch at the same time etc.. If you buy a car with good bodywork you may well end up in the same position that as I, in that the spec of the build meant that most potential 'issues' were dealt with as part of it so few extra costs

One thing to consider is the interior colour. If you are looking for say a classic RS Hotrod interior look, Its a lot easier if your starting from a black interior/headlining. Then its a simple case of a Southbound lightweight carpet and doorcard set, black heigo cage and a set of pole positions and you are pretty much done.

If you want to discuss, feel free to call me on my mobile [phone] anytime

Good luck!

[Porsche911R]

Steve Rance said:

I'd start at the end point and work back when you cost it. A lot of stuff that you may need to do to a car with for example 'tired suspension' may be replaced if you are fitting new bushes, dampers and spring plates. If you drop the engine to replace the mounts. Why not fit an RSR engine brace, LWF, check the tappets and the clutch at the same time etc.. If you buy a car with good bodywork you may well end up in the same position that as I, in that the spec of the build meant that most potential 'issues' were dealt with as part of it so few extra costs

One thing to consider is the interior colour. If you are looking for say a classic RS Hotrod interior look, Its a lot easier if your starting from a black interior/headlining. Then its a simple case of a Southbound lightweight carpet and doorcard set, black heigo cage and a set of pole positions and you are pretty much done.

If you want to discuss, feel free to call me on my mobile [phone] anytime

Good luck!

I still want to drive yours pretty please, :-)

[Double gauche]

Porsche911R said:

CrashBang said:

Yes I can, I have already made that clear - Your friends whom are paying the numbers you have quoted are being taken for a ride!

FFS post some companies then. it's like pulling teeth atm with no answers, just noise !!

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 22 August 16:05

Talk to ken @nineexcellence about your imaginary car
i had a quote from him for materially less than the figures quoted
then look at his website for some of the projects he has done, the cars are lovely

You're welcome.

[Porsche911R]

Double gauche said:

Talk to ken @nineexcellence about your imaginary car
i had a quote from him for materially less than the figures quoted
then look at his website for some of the projects he has done, the cars are lovely

You're welcome.

thanks but to quote their web site "We do not do paintwork on site. Instead we employ the service of either Porsche Approved Body Shop or a local body shop" !!!!

So not the right solution for the car which needs doing. Why you think it's imaginary is strange, lol forums are great ;-)

I await some serious answers.

[jonttt]

Porsche911R said:

993 C2s were 25 to 27k 911V did most sales at the time.

Ball0cks, I watched the marked for a few years before I bought mine which in hindsight was the bottom of the market and wide bodied 993’s never got less than £30k unless they had a big reason for discount. In fact I remember a Vesuvius special edition 2S going up for £25k with 180k on the clock and an ex track car, it got pulled after 2 hours and sold. The dealer who put it up said he got inundated and realised he had sold it for £5k less than he should have (I spoke to him about it). That was the back end of 2012 which was the bottom of the market. Prices rose very quickly in 2013. In Feb 2013 £35k was the cheapest widebodied 993 in the UK and I snapped it up after losing out on x2 widebodied cars advertised at c£37k which sold to specialists at above asking price (I tried to buy one, a 911UK forum car for asking over the phone and it sold within a day at over asking)

I have never seen a widebodied 993 less than £30k apart from the one mentioned above which was undersold.

[kevs 172]

v8ksn said:

I would just like to say that I have found every post on this thread interesting and valuable and I would like to thank every poster.

There are lot of people on this forum with considerably more experience with 911's than me. I have asked for information to help me try and decide what 'good value' is in this market place and all information and experiences are helpful.

I don't really want a car that is already done as there is no fun in the build for me. I am just looking for a good value solid car with no horror stories that I can drive and modify and cherish for years to come.

The problem for me is figuring out what will need doing and how much I should pay.

For a starting point with reference to a 964, I would say 45k up having recently purchasing one myself. (Manual C2 Coupe)
All the best.
Kevin

Edited by kevs 172 on Wednesday 22 August 17:45

[jonttt]

Porsche911R said:

depends what you want from the car, the tops jobs are £15k+ some quotes my friend has had have been £20k and that's supplying a bare shell and he knows all the top places, a lot of the top guys won't paint a car now unless they do the body work to stop any come back.

most cars at Silverstone classic and classic in the castle are sub standard, it depends what you are after I guess. A blow over or a show winning paint job which will last another 60 years.

these top end paint shops know the values of these cars now and where you could get a job done for £10k not long along prices have changed.

when I had my MGB done back in 95 I paid £5k for a top end job.

here is my mates, lucky he had it done about 5 years ago for 1/2 the daft quoted prices, but he has other cars which need doing now and those were the quotes. yes you can have a 2 coat blow over for 3k, you pays your money and all that.

I have seen £70k 964 for sale with paint on the rubbers and bubbles coming back though, I gave up looking, for me the markets gone.
I have also seen cars at £200k 911 S and the like and have been shocked, but I am spoilt with my mates car so now very picky.

B0llocks (yet again). There are plenty of high end resprayers who will do a back to metal job for <£10k. The are also plenty of high end “specialist” Porsche places that will have your pants down. I’ve seen some jobs done on expensive Porsche’s by these places and a number of them needed correction after.

I hade some very high end cars “tidied up” buy some very reputable none specialist sprayers and they just laugh when they hear about people paying £15k-£20k for none restoration “windows out” resprays. I also know some of the best detailers in the country who make a living out of correcting both high end factory and “specialist” resprays lol

[Wilmslowboy]

I bought a 993 4S for £17k - it had 2 owners, FSH and was a good colour combo, Manual, coupe (hardback seats, hollow spokes etc) never been painted. 150k miles

It had poor paint (stone chips lacquer peeling on the front and from wings) and some scuttle rust.

I spent about £4k on it (£3.5k on the paint) and sold for £20k, the buyer spent another £3k on suspension bits and pieces (heat shields etc) and sold for around £23k

Both times the car was openly advertised and took some selling.

This was around 2009 to 2011....

jonttt said:

Ball0cks, I watched the marked for a few years before I bought mine which in hindsight was the bottom of the market and wide bodied 993’s never got less than £30k unless they had a big reason for discount. In fact I remember a Vesuvius special edition 2S going up for £25k with 180k on the clock and an ex track car, it got pulled after 2 hours and sold. The dealer who put it up said he got inundated and realised he had sold it for £5k less than he should have (I spoke to him about it). That was the back end of 2012 which was the bottom of the market. Prices rose very quickly in 2013. In Feb 2013 £35k was the cheapest widebodied 993 in the UK and I snapped it up after losing out on x2 widebodied cars advertised at c£37k which sold to specialists at above asking price (I tried to buy one, a 911UK forum car for asking over the phone and it sold within a day at over asking)

I have never seen a widebodied 993 less than £30k apart from the one mentioned above which was undersold.