Cars not selling?
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...talking of driving, I put 500 miles on mine on saturday - a 10 hour rounds trip from London to the Breacon Beacons & back. Really felt like I hadnt stretched the car's legs enough this summer, so wanted a big drive before the weather starts to really turn.
This pic is on the black mountain road, definitely a highlight - you can see it right in the corner. But best was actually driving back at night through a deserted A40 into and through the Cotsworlds. Realised I'd recently got into the (bad?) habit of shifting around 6k rpm as this is where peak power is. I'd forgotten the epic induction whine when you take the 993 right up to the redline @ 6700.....no 991 GT3 but still had me laughing out loud!
This pic is on the black mountain road, definitely a highlight - you can see it right in the corner. But best was actually driving back at night through a deserted A40 into and through the Cotsworlds. Realised I'd recently got into the (bad?) habit of shifting around 6k rpm as this is where peak power is. I'd forgotten the epic induction whine when you take the 993 right up to the redline @ 6700.....no 991 GT3 but still had me laughing out loud!
Steve Rance said:
Robbo66 said:
It is, totally boring, I'm sick to death of it too. However, many have serious amounts of debt or cash tied up here, so 'boring' as it may well be, it's very relevant/topical at present. Hence why we have so many threads surrounding the subject.
Unfortunately, if a 'values' thread were placed in a separate area, I would suggest it would be a far more active area, than the odd driving thread we see pop up on here.
The 'driving threads' tend to be consigned to far smaller private forums like PGT or S9, Facebook or Whatsapp groups now. Sign of the times I'm afraid.
Yep, you are probably right. The demographic has changed a lot on this forum over the past few years. I'm sure that there is some correlation between that and values. If the 'Values' area was the most active thats fine but at least there would be somewhere that those who are genuinely interested in the driving experience could post - but even threads in that section would end up an off topic value fest. Unfortunately, if a 'values' thread were placed in a separate area, I would suggest it would be a far more active area, than the odd driving thread we see pop up on here.
The 'driving threads' tend to be consigned to far smaller private forums like PGT or S9, Facebook or Whatsapp groups now. Sign of the times I'm afraid.
All of the negative viewpoints from petrol heads here are transferable to other alternative investment asset classes. You can chose to participate in the hype or not and for those that do remember everything works in a cycle including cars!
I would be interested to know the increase in active users on here from 2010 till now.
I would be interested to know the increase in active users on here from 2010 till now.
I'd say good air cooled cars which are priced correctly still sell fast. Watch how fast this sells. What a stunner. Top money too but if I was looking for a wide body 993 I'd buy down the phone.
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1054/9934S...
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1054/9934S...
IMI A said:
I'd say good air cooled cars which are priced correctly still sell fast. Watch how fast this sells. What a stunner. Top money too but if I was looking for a wide body 993 I'd buy down the phone.
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1054/9934S...
That is a truly beautiful car with a brilliant spec. Delicious http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1054/9934S...
I'm not sure it will sell quickly though. Unless it sells to an investor.
v8ksn said:
I'm sure that whoever spends £93k on that is not expectingexpecting to lose money. Either way, it looks like a great price when you compare it to the next one in the classifieds list...
Doesn't have any bearing to what will happen especially when thousands of cars on the classifieds have "appreciating asset" and "great investment opportunity" in their description. Good luck to themv8ksn said:
IMI A said:
With 62,000 miles? Not the smartest investor but possible I suppose.
I'm sure that whoever spends £93k on that is not expecting to lose money. Either way, it looks like a great price when you compare it to the next one in the classifieds list...I'd love to buy this car. Be interesting to see what she makes as a barometer of the current mkt. I bet she sells for all the money. Good cars always do and shes not an original paint car or anything. The stuff we're talking about in the classifieds is mostly very average over priced stock hence not selling. Cars like the C4S above and this M3 will always find enthusiast buyers. Don't like what we have to pay for them but if you drive literally any of the current hot moderns they won't give you 50% of the fun you can have in these modern classics IMO. They have all the modern PAS and power brakes etc but still retain that classic unique feel. Thats a very unique combo if you think driving is all about fun 
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
The only way I can get around these prices in my head is by the following example:
I love Clio 172/182 Cups etc. I'm not current on prices but I think a very good one can be had for £4k. A totally mint one might be available for £6k. That £2k difference is not a life changing amount of money for me, so if I looking, as I am wont to do every now and then after a couple of drinks, I would consider the £6k one as I might want the very best and hang the last couple of k. So by extending that logic a 993 that is similarly "over priced" might attract someone of much more considerable means than myself, even though they know it's paying overs.
BUT....that said, there's very little chance I'd buy the Clio as £6k would likely go on or towards something more fancy. We all "like a bit of rough" relative to our usual fare or have nostalgia, but given a reasonably finite pot of cash and on average (we're all different obvs), if I can afford say a brand new Superfast etc, I'm prob not concerning myself much with buying a non-turbo / non RS air cooled car at an indy
I love Clio 172/182 Cups etc. I'm not current on prices but I think a very good one can be had for £4k. A totally mint one might be available for £6k. That £2k difference is not a life changing amount of money for me, so if I looking, as I am wont to do every now and then after a couple of drinks, I would consider the £6k one as I might want the very best and hang the last couple of k. So by extending that logic a 993 that is similarly "over priced" might attract someone of much more considerable means than myself, even though they know it's paying overs.
BUT....that said, there's very little chance I'd buy the Clio as £6k would likely go on or towards something more fancy. We all "like a bit of rough" relative to our usual fare or have nostalgia, but given a reasonably finite pot of cash and on average (we're all different obvs), if I can afford say a brand new Superfast etc, I'm prob not concerning myself much with buying a non-turbo / non RS air cooled car at an indy
Some more reasonable priced one coming up in the classifieds. The gold one looks retro cool and not a bad buy but colour not to everyone tastes. I think it looks lovely. White one good base car for a project. Both probably £10k over priced but we are where we are.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
IMI A said:
I'd love to buy this car. Be interesting to see what she makes as a barometer of the current mkt. I bet she sells for all the money. Good cars always do and shes not an original paint car or anything. The stuff we're talking about in the classifieds is mostly very average over priced stock hence not selling. Cars like the C4S above and this M3 will always find enthusiast buyers. Don't like what we have to pay for them but if you drive literally any of the current hot moderns they won't give you 50% of the fun you can have in these modern classics IMO. They have all the modern PAS and power brakes etc but still retain that classic unique feel. Thats a very unique combo if you think driving is all about fun
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I may be the only person who thinks £94k for a 93k mile 993 C4S in a marmite colour (viola/grey) is laughable.https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Yes, you only need one buyer and it does happen especially at Auctions, but it's hell of a lot for money for a 993 that can't be driven if you want to protect it's value.
The 993 C4S rear end does look great, but it's a 4, heavier and a nice 993 C2 would be a better drive if you want fun.
g7jhp said:
I may be the only person who thinks £94k for a 93k mile 993 C4S in a marmite colour (viola/grey) is laughable.
Yes, you only need one buyer and it does happen especially at Auctions, but it's hell of a lot for money for a 993 that can't be driven if you want to protect it's value.
The 993 C4S rear end does look great, but it's a 4, heavier and a nice 993 C2 would be a better drive if you want fun.
C4S is 62k miles and condition looks mint - people are buying them for sure - rare cars remember but I agree I wouldn't buy one simply because I want rwd in a 993. What do you think the M3 in the link is worth?Yes, you only need one buyer and it does happen especially at Auctions, but it's hell of a lot for money for a 993 that can't be driven if you want to protect it's value.
The 993 C4S rear end does look great, but it's a 4, heavier and a nice 993 C2 would be a better drive if you want fun.
Cheib said:
...the one for sale privately is a daft price.
It is bonkers. The number of buyers willing to hand over £90k with a handshake on a doorstep must be very limited. He would have a much better chance of selling it if he offers it to a dealer on SOR. Are there any dealers still taking cars on SOR?I think 911V buy all their stock in outright so they own all the cars they sell. This is quite reassuring from a buyers perspective as you know they think its a good car and worth the price they are asking.
Given the choice, who in their right mind would buy privately at this level anyway?
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