Cars not selling?

[g7jhp]

IMI A said:

g7jhp said:

I may be the only person who thinks £94k for a 93k mile 993 C4S in a marmite colour (viola/grey) is laughable.

Yes, you only need one buyer and it does happen especially at Auctions, but it's hell of a lot for money for a 993 that can't be driven if you want to protect it's value.

The 993 C4S rear end does look great, but it's a 4, heavier and a nice 993 C2 would be a better drive if you want fun.

C4S is 62k miles and condition looks mint - people are buying them for sure - rare cars remember but I agree I wouldn't buy one simply because I want rwd in a 993. What do you think the M3 in the link is worth?

Typo I did mean 63k miles.

I'm not an M3 fan. They look great, but LHD, 4 pot not for me.

An E46 M3 CSL would be more appealing (if I had to pick an M3).

[n12maser]

IMI A said:

Some more reasonable priced one coming up in the classifieds. The gold one looks retro cool and not a bad buy but colour not to everyone tastes. I think it looks lovely. White one good base car for a project. Both probably £10k over priced but we are where we are.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

the white one has giant gaps in the service history, including a 7 year stint with no servicing and none between 2015 and 2018...wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!

On paper the other PTS 993 looks a better buy assuming a PPI doesn't throw up any secrets.

[v8ksn]

n12maser said:

the white one has giant gaps in the service history, including a 7 year stint with no servicing and none between 2015 and 2018...wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!

Yep! You are right. I just saw that myself too and was wondering why everyone was saying it was a good buy.

22.05.2003 Porsche Exeter (OPC) 48,193 miles
15.02.2010 Porsche Exeter (OPC) 58,835 miles
.....
04.08.2015 Paul Stephens Ltd 78,751 miles
13.06.2018 Porsche Tewkesbury (OPC) 84,032 miles

As we all know though, these cars are valued on their condition and the condition of this car probably reflects the £50k asking price......the condition of the service history though leaves a lot to be desired and it may make it very difficult to sell in a few years.

[Mario149]

v8ksn said:

Cheib said:

...the one for sale privately is a daft price.

It is bonkers. The number of buyers willing to hand over £90k with a handshake on a doorstep must be very limited. He would have a much better chance of selling it if he offers it to a dealer on SOR. Are there any dealers still taking cars on SOR?

I think 911V buy all their stock in outright so they own all the cars they sell. This is quite reassuring from a buyers perspective as you know they think its a good car and worth the price they are asking.

Given the choice, who in their right mind would buy privately at this level anyway?

911V did my 997 GTS on SOR at my request earlier this year. I wouldn't be surprised if most of their more expensive cars are SOR. In this market, and also for the last few years, it's difficult to give a solid value on buying a car outright I would imagine - could easily get stuck with something.

You should have seen the p/x / outright buy offers I got for 997.1 GT3 three years ago. Cars with my spec and mileage were in theory retailing at £80-£85k but I couldn't get an outright buy from any dealer above £63k despite it being mint. Tells you all you need to know about the current market, and nothing has really changed since then.

[v8ksn]

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In the context of the current market, the 911V one is a peach at that price. Pretty much perfect!

Personally, if I was to pay £90k for a 993 it would be one like yours. A fully sorted wide body 993 that has everything sorted and a 3.8 engine to boot! The problem is, anyone with a car like that wont want to sell it and who can blame them?

tyinsky if you were to put your car up for sale now, the market would expect you to list it at around the same price as the private one around £93k but we all know that yours is worth MUCH more than that.

[browngt3]

anonymous said:

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Agree with your comments about dealers. I have heard negative stories about cars sold from a few surprising places. I mean well known long standing dealers who you wouldn't expect to stock anything less than exceptional cars. If I was buying a 993 now I would recommend an independent inspection. And if you're going to do that why exclude private sales?

[browngt3]

anonymous said:

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I used to own a 993C2 at the same time my Dad had his C4S. I can say they were very similar to drive and equally good fun. Condition is by far the most important factor. Fairly obviously a C4S with a refreshed suspension will be a nicer drive than a tired C2. I now have the C4S and had a brand new set of Bilsteins fitted. It's superb! I love this car, even compared against my new GT3

[EGTE]

anonymous said:

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This, or a 997.2 GT3? Hmm no I also think you're right; it's laughable.

[davidc1]

I think most on here are into the cars first and the value is secondary. I hope so anyway.

The lust for this metal comes from when you are young i think.
i remember staring at a lambo urracco that lived on a drive on the road where i lived back in the late70s. And again when i used to drool over a yellow 968 cs in the next road back in the early 90s. Knew i would get a porsche 1 day .
Dont care if my spyder is worth 50 or 60 or 70 or 80 tbh... if the market goes down a bit then maybe my next car gets cheaper by a bigger amount...
is nice to share the car as well .i took a mate who loves his old vw's to the brands meet the other saturday.he had never been to a higher end car 'doo' before. he loved being in my car and loved the array of amazing pcgb cars on show.

Edited by davidc1 on Tuesday 18th September 23:08

[Robbo66]

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Agree, but needs to be a 2S

[browngt3]

Robbo66 said:

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Agree, but needs to be a 2S

Also agree. But 4S for me! I believe the factory 3.8 was the RS engine and was not available for the 2S and was produced in tiny numbers. This is what makes that car special and reflected in the price tag. Looks in beautiful condition too.

[BrotherMouzone]

browngt3 said:

Robbo66 said:

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Agree, but needs to be a 2S

Also agree. But 4S for me! I believe the factory 3.8 was the RS engine and was not available for the 2S and was produced in tiny numbers. This is what makes that car special and reflected in the price tag. Looks in beautiful condition too.

Interesting, so that’s a factory spec, original car then? Didn’t realise they had the RS engine in (some of) the 4S.

[browngt3]

Yes, confirmed by the X51 code

I believe only 3 rhd imported to UK

[BrotherMouzone]

Wow, didn’t know such car exist!

[C4ME]

The white one is the car that appeals to me. Nice drivers car and in a rare colour for a 993 that I like having owned a 964 in the same colour. I would get it inspected by an expert and buy on condition.The stamps in a service book never tell the full story for good or bad. Agree the service history would put the investors off but not all buyers are inverstors.

[v8ksn]

browngt3 said:

Yes, confirmed by the X51 code

I believe only 3 rhd imported to UK

Every day is a school day! I had no idea this car existed.

Can you imagine Porsche doing something like that in contemporary cars?

997 GTS with the 4.0L engine Sir?

How about the 991 Carrera 4S Targa with the GT3 engine?

Love it!

[n12maser]

C4ME said:

The white one is the car that appeals to me. Nice drivers car and in a rare colour for a 993 that I like having owned a 964 in the same colour. I would get it inspected by an expert and buy on condition.The stamps in a service book never tell the full story for good or bad. Agree the service history would put the investors off but not all buyers are inverstors.

personally i don't see complete service history as at all aligned with investors. it's more the fact that the engine and other bits & pieces have been given no attention for a 7 year period, which is a hell of a long time. yes these cars are over-engineered but for a drivers car I'd want confidence that it has been looked after mechanically.

[v8ksn]

n12maser said:

C4ME said:

The white one is the car that appeals to me. Nice drivers car and in a rare colour for a 993 that I like having owned a 964 in the same colour. I would get it inspected by an expert and buy on condition.The stamps in a service book never tell the full story for good or bad. Agree the service history would put the investors off but not all buyers are inverstors.

personally i don't see complete service history as at all aligned with investors. it's more the fact that the engine and other bits & pieces have been given no attention for a 7 year period, which is a hell of a long time. yes these cars are over-engineered but for a drivers car I'd want confidence that it has been looked after mechanically.

Exactly this!

I'm not an investor. I am buying to enjoy the car and to drive it. I want a mechanically sound car with no dodgy or patchy history. Equally, I dont want a car that I am stuck with when it comes time to sell it.

For £50k, its not too much to expect.

Is it?

[browngt3]

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Didn't know that. Thanks for the additional info. I've never actually seen the X51 pack in another 993 other than the 4S. Maybe it was so expensive nobody went for it on the cooking models. Clearly if you had the budget you would choose the turbo or RS

[browngt3]

n12maser said:

personally i don't see complete service history as at all aligned with investors. it's more the fact that the engine and other bits & pieces have been given no attention for a 7 year period, which is a hell of a long time. yes these cars are over-engineered but for a drivers car I'd want confidence that it has been looked after mechanically.

Sometimes you need to take a view (risk?). My 1985 Carrera apparently sat unused for 20 years and hence had a massive maintenance gap. Apart from the initial 5k recommissioning it's been fantastic in the 6 years I've owned it.