Cars not selling?
Discussion
IMI A said:
I'd say good air cooled cars which are priced correctly still sell fast. Watch how fast this sells. What a stunner. Top money too but if I was looking for a wide body 993 I'd buy down the phone.
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1054/9934S...
That is a truly beautiful car with a brilliant spec. Delicious http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1054/9934S...
I'm not sure it will sell quickly though. Unless it sells to an investor.
Cheib said:
...the one for sale privately is a daft price.
It is bonkers. The number of buyers willing to hand over £90k with a handshake on a doorstep must be very limited. He would have a much better chance of selling it if he offers it to a dealer on SOR. Are there any dealers still taking cars on SOR?I think 911V buy all their stock in outright so they own all the cars they sell. This is quite reassuring from a buyers perspective as you know they think its a good car and worth the price they are asking.
Given the choice, who in their right mind would buy privately at this level anyway?
n12maser said:
the white one has giant gaps in the service history, including a 7 year stint with no servicing and none between 2015 and 2018...wouldn't touch it with a barge pole!
Yep! You are right. I just saw that myself too and was wondering why everyone was saying it was a good buy.22.05.2003 Porsche Exeter (OPC) 48,193 miles
15.02.2010 Porsche Exeter (OPC) 58,835 miles
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04.08.2015 Paul Stephens Ltd 78,751 miles
13.06.2018 Porsche Tewkesbury (OPC) 84,032 miles
As we all know though, these cars are valued on their condition and the condition of this car probably reflects the £50k asking price......the condition of the service history though leaves a lot to be desired and it may make it very difficult to sell in a few years.
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In the context of the current market, the 911V one is a peach at that price. Pretty much perfect! Personally, if I was to pay £90k for a 993 it would be one like yours. A fully sorted wide body 993 that has everything sorted and a 3.8 engine to boot! The problem is, anyone with a car like that wont want to sell it and who can blame them?
tyinsky if you were to put your car up for sale now, the market would expect you to list it at around the same price as the private one around £93k but we all know that yours is worth MUCH more than that.
browngt3 said:
Yes, confirmed by the X51 code
I believe only 3 rhd imported to UK
I believe only 3 rhd imported to UK
Every day is a school day! I had no idea this car existed. Can you imagine Porsche doing something like that in contemporary cars?
997 GTS with the 4.0L engine Sir?
How about the 991 Carrera 4S Targa with the GT3 engine?
Love it!
n12maser said:
C4ME said:
The white one is the car that appeals to me. Nice drivers car and in a rare colour for a 993 that I like having owned a 964 in the same colour. I would get it inspected by an expert and buy on condition.The stamps in a service book never tell the full story for good or bad. Agree the service history would put the investors off but not all buyers are inverstors.
personally i don't see complete service history as at all aligned with investors. it's more the fact that the engine and other bits & pieces have been given no attention for a 7 year period, which is a hell of a long time. yes these cars are over-engineered but for a drivers car I'd want confidence that it has been looked after mechanically.I'm not an investor. I am buying to enjoy the car and to drive it. I want a mechanically sound car with no dodgy or patchy history. Equally, I dont want a car that I am stuck with when it comes time to sell it.
For £50k, its not too much to expect.
Is it?
stichill99 said:
Since I bought my 993 5 years ago it has never had a dealer stamp but it has had an oil and both engine filters changed every year(with all invoices kept). A full parcel of air filter,fuel filter,cabin filter etc is not a lot of money for genuine parts. Many owners who don't like getting shafted with main dealer prices are more than capable of routine servicing and it doesn't make there car unsaeable.
My car had a period when it was owned by a lady who had a large vehicle hire company and the car was serviced by their own mechanic but I judged the car on it's condition and not the stamps in the book!
Dare I ask what you paid for the car? Was the price you paid lower than a car with solid history at the time?My car had a period when it was owned by a lady who had a large vehicle hire company and the car was serviced by their own mechanic but I judged the car on it's condition and not the stamps in the book!
Would you now buy the same car in the same condition with the same history for £50k or would you rather buy a car with a solid history?
The Selfish Gene said:
browngt3 said:
Didn't know that. Thanks for the additional info. I've never actually seen the X51 pack in another 993 other than the 4S. Maybe it was so expensive nobody went for it on the cooking models. Clearly if you had the budget you would choose the turbo or RS
so I have the X51 (on a 997 C2S) and it's quite rare I believe for exactly the reason you said. The original purchaser paid quite a lot to spec my car up (ceramics etc) and for not much more could have had a GT3 - he apparently didn't want the look of the GT3 but wanted a highly spec'd normal model.it's a lovely car.
I would have gone for the GT3 and then had the wing removed and the normal front bumper from the C2S......that would have pre-dated the 911R by years!
I bet your car is a lovely drive with the X51. I loved my standard C2S when I had one.
IMI A said:
v8ksn said:
IMI A said:
With 62,000 miles? Not the smartest investor but possible I suppose.
I'm sure that whoever spends £93k on that is not expecting to lose money. Either way, it looks like a great price when you compare it to the next one in the classifieds list...
Wilmslowboy said:
Silverstone auction results drip feeding in
stuff selling ,especially air cool in original condition
993 turbo (good colour combo) described as collector condition with 62k miles... £74k (£87k after all fees etc)
993 coupe man, 64k miles (but 9 years in 'storage') £36k after fees
They both sound like bargains in the current market.stuff selling ,especially air cool in original condition
993 turbo (good colour combo) described as collector condition with 62k miles... £74k (£87k after all fees etc)
993 coupe man, 64k miles (but 9 years in 'storage') £36k after fees
g7jhp said:
If these prices were high everyone would be calling it the new price point.
But as it's lower than normal it's seen as a bargin.
The market is dropping and sellers need to accept that to make a sale they need to realign their expections.
Yep, I agree. But as it's lower than normal it's seen as a bargin.
The market is dropping and sellers need to accept that to make a sale they need to realign their expections.
From all the cars I have seen so far, most need a minimum of £5k spending on them, some up to £10k but the prices are not reflective of their condition.
Lots of dreamers out there and the ones who have taken care of their cars don't want to sell them (and who can blame them)
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