Cars not selling?
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browngt3 said:
n12maser said:
personally i don't see complete service history as at all aligned with investors. it's more the fact that the engine and other bits & pieces have been given no attention for a 7 year period, which is a hell of a long time. yes these cars are over-engineered but for a drivers car I'd want confidence that it has been looked after mechanically.
Sometimes you need to take a view (risk?). My 1985 Carrera apparently sat unused for 20 years and hence had a massive maintenance gap. Apart from the initial 5k recommissioning it's been fantastic in the 6 years I've owned it.Since I bought my 993 5 years ago it has never had a dealer stamp but it has had an oil and both engine filters changed every year(with all invoices kept). A full parcel of air filter,fuel filter,cabin filter etc is not a lot of money for genuine parts. Many owners who don't like getting shafted with main dealer prices are more than capable of routine servicing and it doesn't make there car unsaeable.
My car had a period when it was owned by a lady who had a large vehicle hire company and the car was serviced by their own mechanic but I judged the car on it's condition and not the stamps in the book!
My car had a period when it was owned by a lady who had a large vehicle hire company and the car was serviced by their own mechanic but I judged the car on it's condition and not the stamps in the book!
Since I bought my 993 5 years ago it has never had a dealer stamp but it has had an oil and both engine filters changed every year(with all invoices kept). A full parcel of air filter,fuel filter,cabin filter etc is not a lot of money for genuine parts. Many owners who don't like getting shafted with main dealer prices are more than capable of routine servicing and it doesn't make there car unsaeable.
My car had a period when it was owned by a lady who had a large vehicle hire company and the car was serviced by their own mechanic but I judged the car on it's condition and not the stamps in the book!
My car had a period when it was owned by a lady who had a large vehicle hire company and the car was serviced by their own mechanic but I judged the car on it's condition and not the stamps in the book!
stichill99 said:
Since I bought my 993 5 years ago it has never had a dealer stamp but it has had an oil and both engine filters changed every year(with all invoices kept). A full parcel of air filter,fuel filter,cabin filter etc is not a lot of money for genuine parts. Many owners who don't like getting shafted with main dealer prices are more than capable of routine servicing and it doesn't make there car unsaeable.
My car had a period when it was owned by a lady who had a large vehicle hire company and the car was serviced by their own mechanic but I judged the car on it's condition and not the stamps in the book!
Dare I ask what you paid for the car? Was the price you paid lower than a car with solid history at the time?My car had a period when it was owned by a lady who had a large vehicle hire company and the car was serviced by their own mechanic but I judged the car on it's condition and not the stamps in the book!
Would you now buy the same car in the same condition with the same history for £50k or would you rather buy a car with a solid history?
I paid £24000 at a Porsche specialist. The car does have an early H R Owen history and then the missing years and then independent Porsche specialists before I got it. The dealer had another Polar Silver car up at £29995 at the same time which had 10k fewer miles but had the most horrible blue interior where I much preferred the black leather in mine. The way I looked at it was £6000 goes a long way especially when my brother is a mechanic!
browngt3 said:
Didn't know that. Thanks for the additional info. I've never actually seen the X51 pack in another 993 other than the 4S. Maybe it was so expensive nobody went for it on the cooking models. Clearly if you had the budget you would choose the turbo or RS
so I have the X51 (on a 997 C2S) and it's quite rare I believe for exactly the reason you said. The original purchaser paid quite a lot to spec my car up (ceramics etc) and for not much more could have had a GT3 - he apparently didn't want the look of the GT3 but wanted a highly spec'd normal model.it's a lovely car.
The Selfish Gene said:
browngt3 said:
Didn't know that. Thanks for the additional info. I've never actually seen the X51 pack in another 993 other than the 4S. Maybe it was so expensive nobody went for it on the cooking models. Clearly if you had the budget you would choose the turbo or RS
so I have the X51 (on a 997 C2S) and it's quite rare I believe for exactly the reason you said. The original purchaser paid quite a lot to spec my car up (ceramics etc) and for not much more could have had a GT3 - he apparently didn't want the look of the GT3 but wanted a highly spec'd normal model.it's a lovely car.
I would have gone for the GT3 and then had the wing removed and the normal front bumper from the C2S......that would have pre-dated the 911R by years!
I bet your car is a lovely drive with the X51. I loved my standard C2S when I had one.
v8ksn said:
Thats a bit of a bonkers approach in a 997 C2S for the original purchaser.
I would have gone for the GT3 and then had the wing removed and the normal front bumper from the C2S......that would have pre-dated the 911R by years!
I bet your car is a lovely drive with the X51. I loved my standard C2S when I had one.
yeah I totally agree! I'm happy though, as I get the benefits of his original purchase!I would have gone for the GT3 and then had the wing removed and the normal front bumper from the C2S......that would have pre-dated the 911R by years!
I bet your car is a lovely drive with the X51. I loved my standard C2S when I had one.
It's a manual C2S, with the X51, PCCB and the sports adaptive seats, in black. It's really understated and a really usable car.
Insurance have valued it at 20% more than I paid for it (from main dealer!) but then I did have a full valet, and corrective paint work and wheels all refurbished for over 3k..........
The Selfish Gene said:
so I have the X51 (on a 997 C2S) and it's quite rare I believe for exactly the reason you said.
The original purchaser paid quite a lot to spec my car up (ceramics etc) and for not much more could have had a GT3 - he apparently
didn't want the look of the GT3 but wanted a highly spec'd normal model.
it's a lovely car.
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.it's a lovely car.
"So what is X51? Is it a good option for 997 buyers with a need for speed or the world's most expensive intake, exhaust, and remapped ECU? Before you think it's the latter, know that ticking the box marked X51 adds far more than a pair of new mufflers, a revised airbox, and different spark/ignition tuning. Revised cylinder heads, new exhaust headers, camshafts with more aggressive profiles, a different Varioram intake plenum, and new programming for the Bosch Motronic engine management are utilized to add more grunt to the normal Carrera S's 3.8-liter flat six. So the 26 horses and 11 lb-ft didn't come to Weissach so easily, after all.
Porsche says the changes allow the X51 Carrera S to sprint from zero to 60 mph in just 4.4 seconds and continue on to a top speed of 186 mph, which is 0.2 second and four mph faster than a normal Carrera S. But these differences are probably as academic in the real world as the percentage gains in power that this package offers"
quoted from http://www.neuralblog.com/_content/Porsche/Porsche...
apparently it was a 10k option.
The only 997 I'd driven previously to mine was a boggo 911 C2 - and it was slighty underwhelming for my first 997 experience. That being said, it wasn't mine and it was a quick go.
I came from a v8 M3 (414bhp) until my 997 X51 (385bhp) and although totally different cars in the handling department, they felt almost exactly the same pace in straight line.
Later proven to be true as my best mate has a M3V8 and we've since shared the same piece of road and they are literally almost identical through the mid range and out of 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. I.e. in usable conditions on a country road.
I much prefer the 997 for most things, handing, looks, steering weight, sitting position. I LOVED the M3 - literally loved it. The 997 for me feels like the next step up on the ladder. It's still very analogue in my opinion.
I was actually looking for a 3.2 Carrera when I found the 997...........but with a 50k mile 3.2 coming in at 70k and the 50k mile 997 X51 coming it at 35k (with a two year main dealer warranty included)...........I just couldn't look past it - so I went for it.
I still would love a 3.2, but at the minute I'm really happy with my very affordable 997. As I mentioned above insurance guaranteeing the value at 40k but it's had a lot spent on it under warranty to bring it up to perfect.
The question around the Bore score etc.........mine is totally fine at the minute, but, should the worst happen, to be honest coming from a car racing background, rebuilding the engine for the Hartech numbers isn't the end of the world, for what I believe will be a really lovely car to own long term (well planning on never selling it at the moment)
I know, I couldn't believe it when it was just sitting there at a main dealer, slightly untidy.
I've done a full body work and interior and wheels (which were refurbed by a blind man I think) valet/restore too.
It didn't even have Porsche matts - which it now has.
Granted - with that mileage I could have probably found one from a dealer for 27k at the time - but still , it's the right car.
I've done a full body work and interior and wheels (which were refurbed by a blind man I think) valet/restore too.
It didn't even have Porsche matts - which it now has.
Granted - with that mileage I could have probably found one from a dealer for 27k at the time - but still , it's the right car.
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