Cars not selling?
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Wilmslowboy said:
Came across this on the air-cooled site. Modded '73 E
Posted for sale, mid-week Wednesday - sold by the weekend.
Goes to show, when it comes to selling, you can never beat the "combination of quality & good value".
That was a well known car, by a known owner, at a good / fair price. So it sold. Posted for sale, mid-week Wednesday - sold by the weekend.
Goes to show, when it comes to selling, you can never beat the "combination of quality & good value".
stuckmojo said:
I went to OPC Newcastle yesterday - or rather, to the office block they're occupying as the showroom has a refurb - and sat down with a salesman with a very simple question:
At that point he goes on to explaining that unless you've bought at least 10 new cars from them there's no chance of ordering one. I guess you all knew this but that's another thing to hear it word for word.
We then discuss a "new" (but not really) blue GT3 manual they have outside. Great car, but not for me at £40k overs and not in that colour. Same story for another one we look at online. This one is interesting: white, with 7k miles or so and priced at around £150k. Perfect spec, really. He notices they'd originally sold the car - but now it's at another OPC - and tells me that the bloke who sold it to someone other than back to them won't ever get "a car" - meaning a GT car - from them. So, It's either you pay overs or buy cars you don't want and have to sell these back to the OPC so that they can make money twice on you. Nice.
It would be nice if Porsche made as many GTs as they could sell - what's the on-cost from a C4s? - surely profit margins per vehicle are about the same as 80% of the car is the same?.
I am not interested in any car Porsche makes today other than the GT ones. I would like a 991T-type car with a naturally aspirated engine, but they don't make one.
I guess I'll just wait until I see value in a second hand car. Strange way for a brand to alienate enthusiasts though.
@stuckmojo,At that point he goes on to explaining that unless you've bought at least 10 new cars from them there's no chance of ordering one. I guess you all knew this but that's another thing to hear it word for word.
We then discuss a "new" (but not really) blue GT3 manual they have outside. Great car, but not for me at £40k overs and not in that colour. Same story for another one we look at online. This one is interesting: white, with 7k miles or so and priced at around £150k. Perfect spec, really. He notices they'd originally sold the car - but now it's at another OPC - and tells me that the bloke who sold it to someone other than back to them won't ever get "a car" - meaning a GT car - from them. So, It's either you pay overs or buy cars you don't want and have to sell these back to the OPC so that they can make money twice on you. Nice.
It would be nice if Porsche made as many GTs as they could sell - what's the on-cost from a C4s? - surely profit margins per vehicle are about the same as 80% of the car is the same?.
I am not interested in any car Porsche makes today other than the GT ones. I would like a 991T-type car with a naturally aspirated engine, but they don't make one.
I guess I'll just wait until I see value in a second hand car. Strange way for a brand to alienate enthusiasts though.
The white car was mine - i paid overs for it with 3.7k on the clock, ran it on the road and took it to France for Le Tour in the summer. The cars never seen a track, but has been a fabulous piece of kit; However as these things are mileage sensitive, i needed to come out of it into a 700 mile Miami Blue GT3 for the next few months. Needless to say that i took a bath on the car, but after sitting down with the DP, Sales Manager and my Sales contact, i began to understand the cruel reality of being at the top of the list to hedge your chances of a 'Halo' car. My tally to date is 5 911's in a little over 18 months and this didn't put me near the top. Sure, a GT4, Spyder or next gen GT3, but not an RS or Speedster, never mind what comes a little further in the future. With the possibility of a limited 911.2 GT3 RS being announced as a run-out, i had no option but to better my chances and promptly took the Blue GT3 and a new Boxster and Cayman after my discussions. It pains me that these things happen, but as a person who aspires to be there for possibly the last iteration of and n/a RS, i had to increase my tally to 8 cars overnight.
The Brand and the Dealers do nothing to protect the enthusiast. Its a harsh thing to say, but its a frightening reality.
Am i mad - quite possibly! Ill play this game for a bit longer and see where i get to, but its an expensive business to build that profile to a position where you are considered 'worthy'. Hopefully once there, the cost to change becomes a little more affordable.
Peter
PeterS67 said:
@stuckmojo,
The white car was mine - i paid overs for it with 3.7k on the clock, ran it on the road and took it to France for Le Tour in the summer. The cars never seen a track, but has been a fabulous piece of kit; However as these things are mileage sensitive, i needed to come out of it into a 700 mile Miami Blue GT3 for the next few months. Needless to say that i took a bath on the car, but after sitting down with the DP, Sales Manager and my Sales contact, i began to understand the cruel reality of being at the top of the list to hedge your chances of a 'Halo' car. My tally to date is 5 911's in a little over 18 months and this didn't put me near the top. Sure, a GT4, Spyder or next gen GT3, but not an RS or Speedster, never mind what comes a little further in the future. With the possibility of a limited 911.2 GT3 RS being announced as a run-out, i had no option but to better my chances and promptly took the Blue GT3 and a new Boxster and Cayman after my discussions. It pains me that these things happen, but as a person who aspires to be there for possibly the last iteration of and n/a RS, i had to increase my tally to 8 cars overnight.
The Brand and the Dealers do nothing to protect the enthusiast. Its a harsh thing to say, but its a frightening reality.
Am i mad - quite possibly! Ill play this game for a bit longer and see where i get to, but its an expensive business to build that profile to a position where you are considered 'worthy'. Hopefully once there, the cost to change becomes a little more affordable.
Peter
Just one question, why?The white car was mine - i paid overs for it with 3.7k on the clock, ran it on the road and took it to France for Le Tour in the summer. The cars never seen a track, but has been a fabulous piece of kit; However as these things are mileage sensitive, i needed to come out of it into a 700 mile Miami Blue GT3 for the next few months. Needless to say that i took a bath on the car, but after sitting down with the DP, Sales Manager and my Sales contact, i began to understand the cruel reality of being at the top of the list to hedge your chances of a 'Halo' car. My tally to date is 5 911's in a little over 18 months and this didn't put me near the top. Sure, a GT4, Spyder or next gen GT3, but not an RS or Speedster, never mind what comes a little further in the future. With the possibility of a limited 911.2 GT3 RS being announced as a run-out, i had no option but to better my chances and promptly took the Blue GT3 and a new Boxster and Cayman after my discussions. It pains me that these things happen, but as a person who aspires to be there for possibly the last iteration of and n/a RS, i had to increase my tally to 8 cars overnight.
The Brand and the Dealers do nothing to protect the enthusiast. Its a harsh thing to say, but its a frightening reality.
Am i mad - quite possibly! Ill play this game for a bit longer and see where i get to, but its an expensive business to build that profile to a position where you are considered 'worthy'. Hopefully once there, the cost to change becomes a little more affordable.
Peter
Why when you can find an amazing 997 RS at just over a hundred grand that will drive fantastic? Or a 996RS for similar money that will have infinitely better investment potential?
Or a low mileage 996.1 club sport that's for sale for under £50k currently, half a dozen trips to europe each year taking it on the best tracks and as much tuition you can take to get the best out of it. + a nice car to drive day to day and as many spare parts as your garage can take.
Why?!
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Just one question, why?
Why when you can find an amazing 997 RS at just over a hundred grand that will drive fantastic? Or a 996RS for similar money that will have infinitely better investment potential?
Or a low mileage 996.1 club sport that's for sale for under £50k currently, half a dozen trips to europe each year taking it on the best tracks and as much tuition you can take to get the best out of it. + a nice car to drive day to day and as many spare parts as your garage can take.
Why?!
Where is the 996.1 club sport for under £50k?Why when you can find an amazing 997 RS at just over a hundred grand that will drive fantastic? Or a 996RS for similar money that will have infinitely better investment potential?
Or a low mileage 996.1 club sport that's for sale for under £50k currently, half a dozen trips to europe each year taking it on the best tracks and as much tuition you can take to get the best out of it. + a nice car to drive day to day and as many spare parts as your garage can take.
Why?!
AL001 said:
PeterS67 - That is bonkers, why not buy a 991 Mk1 RS for c. £170k, instead of buying 5 cars you don't seem to want or would have kept.
There is no way I would go through such shenanigans.
^ This. 100% madness.There is no way I would go through such shenanigans.
Why bend over and let dodgy Porsche dealers relieve you of silly amounts of your hard earned, when you can try so many other cars.
Better to pick one up later when the fuss dies down or buy at overs if you must.
PeterS67 said:
My tally to date is 5 911's in a little over 18 months and this didn't put me near the top. Sure, a GT4, Spyder or next gen GT3, but not an RS or Speedster, never mind what comes a little further in the future. With the possibility of a limited 911.2 GT3 RS being announced as a run-out, i had no option but to better my chances and promptly took the Blue GT3 and a new Boxster and Cayman after my discussions. It pains me that these things happen, but as a person who aspires to be there for possibly the last iteration of and n/a RS, i had to increase my tally to 8 cars overnight.
The Brand and the Dealers do nothing to protect the enthusiast. Its a harsh thing to say, but its a frightening reality.
Am i mad - quite possibly! Ill play this game for a bit longer and see where i get to, but its an expensive business to build that profile to a position where you are considered 'worthy'. Hopefully once there, the cost to change becomes a little more affordable.
Peter
I do think this is indeed 'mad'.The Brand and the Dealers do nothing to protect the enthusiast. Its a harsh thing to say, but its a frightening reality.
Am i mad - quite possibly! Ill play this game for a bit longer and see where i get to, but its an expensive business to build that profile to a position where you are considered 'worthy'. Hopefully once there, the cost to change becomes a little more affordable.
Peter
No matter how special a new GT3RS may be, it is not worth being taken for a mug by the three Porsche employed charlatans advising you on how to 'improve your relationship', with them.
Buy something else.
Give some money to a worthy cause.
Tell these three clowns to go to hell.
You're a grown man who has obviously been highly successful and you're giving the school bullies your sweets so they'll do swapsies for the best marbles. i don't know you at all, but I'm sure you're better than that.
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