19th rs track day oulton park 8th march
Discussion
Steve Rance said:
Yellow491 said:
Yes they are talking wet line,problem on a track day is not every one is expecting you to go where you want to go for the wet line.
The corner is way easier now than it used to be,The first curb is now not used by most since the corner changed years ago,and the bump fairly much gone on exit,also the barriers moved way back after all the caranage of the years!
Agreed. The whole corner is a lot easier now because the bump is a lot tamer than before. The only challenge really now is making sure that the car is settled for braking after water tower. The corner is way easier now than it used to be,The first curb is now not used by most since the corner changed years ago,and the bump fairly much gone on exit,also the barriers moved way back after all the caranage of the years!
Really regret not catching up with you, Paul and Pete. I was looking forward to that.
Regarding the corner changing, the only thing that has changed is the surrounding area, the corner is just the same as it was 34 years ago when i first raced there, and the rise as you exit the corner has barely changed either!
isaldiri said:
Cunno said:
Mr T
Could you share what you record your vids on? I assume it's one of the Race Logic products HD or the cheaper 720 version? I'm thinking of investing in one.
Jon
Lasource is usually a one man film shoot turning up all with various cameras bolted to his car Could you share what you record your vids on? I assume it's one of the Race Logic products HD or the cheaper 720 version? I'm thinking of investing in one.
Jon
P.S I'll leave him to answer you properly but iirc and simplfying way too much it's gopro footage synced to racelogic data.
I use some gopros for higher res video and the cheaper 720 version of the Racelogic vbox lite video logger. The vbox with the integrated video just makes it much easier to help sync the different video streams and zero in on a lap of interest (eg fastest) without having to trawl through lots of video.
With the vbox I also have an inductive tap into the CAN bus at the ECU for vehicle data.
The 996 is fairly rudimentary so I get only revs and throttle position.
The 997 provides more data items. My vbox lite has 8 channels enabled so I can get revs, throttle position, brake pressure, clutch position, steering angle, steering direction, and I think engine and oil temperatures too.
Here is an example of the 997 feed from sunny Portimao:
https://youtu.be/HNF13KFwPRI
gtsralph said:
If you want to publish your exploits then Racelogic HD is required. If you just want to analyse your driving then the cheaper 720 works well as both give car behaviour data with fully synchronised video.
Setting up overlays of speed, throttle etc to display on video playback screen is rather clunky and best if you can find someone who has designed some. Another consideration is whether you want to tap into the cambus to get steering angle, brake pressure and some others you might want to see, if using it for driving analysis.
Their website is quite informative as are their support staff via ‘phone.
Agreed the HD2 version is the current one if buying new and much better high res output. It happens to be a tad pricey - so yes for driving feedback the 720 version is fine, but for best output the HD version superior. Setting up overlays of speed, throttle etc to display on video playback screen is rather clunky and best if you can find someone who has designed some. Another consideration is whether you want to tap into the cambus to get steering angle, brake pressure and some others you might want to see, if using it for driving analysis.
Their website is quite informative as are their support staff via ‘phone.
ginettajoe said:
..... if there is good grip on a conventional line, use it!! I looked after two drivers on the day, and neither had a problem, remember, the earlier you turn the least amount of steering input you have, and combine that with turning in on the brakes, and the car goes round like it is on rails, and still managing to have the steering straight as the car goes over the rise at the exit!!
Regarding the corner changing, the only thing that has changed is the surrounding area, the corner is just the same as it was 34 years ago when i first raced there, and the rise as you exit the corner has barely changed either!
Grip was available in different locations as conditions changed. When it was full wet I found more grip with the loaded wheels outside the racing line at Druids. That’s what we were talking about earlier. Even in full wet the bump was not in itself a problem, the wheelspin on the standing water beyond it was more of an issue to me. From a personal point of view considering the conditions, Druids felt less of a challenge than it has done before. Regarding the corner changing, the only thing that has changed is the surrounding area, the corner is just the same as it was 34 years ago when i first raced there, and the rise as you exit the corner has barely changed either!
gtsralph said:
What do you use to combine RaceLogic dash at bottom of screen and the GoPro video streams?
I need better turn in onto the pit straight at Portimão to get close to your speed but I do stay on the regular tarmac
Haha - yes the fronts were not behaving themselves and the car was understeering as a result. Turned out later I was running the fronts at too high a pressure plus the Portuguese heat and nature of Portimao was killing the left front. So anyway...turned out a faster way round was just to power out and use the full width of the facility - if you have paid for the track then you should use all of it I need better turn in onto the pit straight at Portimão to get close to your speed but I do stay on the regular tarmac
I use Adobe Premier to assemble the streams...I'm used to it now and so can work fairly quickly in it.
Steve Rance said:
ginettajoe said:
..... if there is good grip on a conventional line, use it!! I looked after two drivers on the day, and neither had a problem, remember, the earlier you turn the least amount of steering input you have, and combine that with turning in on the brakes, and the car goes round like it is on rails, and still managing to have the steering straight as the car goes over the rise at the exit!!
Regarding the corner changing, the only thing that has changed is the surrounding area, the corner is just the same as it was 34 years ago when i first raced there, and the rise as you exit the corner has barely changed either!
Grip was available in different locations as conditions changed. When it was full wet I found more grip with the loaded wheels outside the racing line at Druids. That’s what we were talking about earlier. Even in full wet the bump was not in itself a problem, the wheelspin on the standing water beyond it was more of an issue to me. From a personal point of view considering the conditions, Druids felt less of a challenge than it has done before. Regarding the corner changing, the only thing that has changed is the surrounding area, the corner is just the same as it was 34 years ago when i first raced there, and the rise as you exit the corner has barely changed either!
Differant cars need varying ways to go around corners,my car on the day,no chance of going in on the brakes in the wet.
Really miss Rs days think ill need to bring the old RS out of retirement vid from 2013 in the wet Rswas set up by Danny unit 11 having fun with a 4wd r8 https://youtu.be/I_XI92bidfI
Yellow491 said:
Steve Rance said:
ginettajoe said:
..... if there is good grip on a conventional line, use it!! I looked after two drivers on the day, and neither had a problem, remember, the earlier you turn the least amount of steering input you have, and combine that with turning in on the brakes, and the car goes round like it is on rails, and still managing to have the steering straight as the car goes over the rise at the exit!!
Regarding the corner changing, the only thing that has changed is the surrounding area, the corner is just the same as it was 34 years ago when i first raced there, and the rise as you exit the corner has barely changed either!
Grip was available in different locations as conditions changed. When it was full wet I found more grip with the loaded wheels outside the racing line at Druids. That’s what we were talking about earlier. Even in full wet the bump was not in itself a problem, the wheelspin on the standing water beyond it was more of an issue to me. From a personal point of view considering the conditions, Druids felt less of a challenge than it has done before. Regarding the corner changing, the only thing that has changed is the surrounding area, the corner is just the same as it was 34 years ago when i first raced there, and the rise as you exit the corner has barely changed either!
Differant cars need varying ways to go around corners,my car on the day,no chance of going in on the brakes in the wet.
Digga said:
Good to meet you. Did you guys enjoy a good tour de North Wales on Saturday then?
Yes, thank you. Great day fooling around in North Wales and then track day on Sunday at Anglesey.Catch you at other events mate!
https://youtu.be/ez9SJK3ulZc
BrotherMouzone said:
Digga said:
Good to meet you. Did you guys enjoy a good tour de North Wales on Saturday then?
Yes, thank you. Great day fooling around in North Wales and then track day on Sunday at Anglesey.Catch you at other events mate!
https://youtu.be/ez9SJK3ulZc
ginettajoe said:
Why on earth would you want to turn in later?? Any car feels horrendous if you take that line!!! I'm afraid I would have to disagree regarding your sentiments about different cars needing varying lines to go round corners, and when you suggest that there is no chance of going in on the brakes, demonstrates to me, exactly how little you understand about driving a car!!!!
You are clearly not worth a reply with a response similar to how R operates on here,stick to your ginetta etc thanks.Steve Rance said:
Grip was available in different locations as conditions changed. When it was full wet I found more grip with the loaded wheels outside the racing line at Druids. That’s what we were talking about earlier. Even in full wet the bump was not in itself a problem, the wheelspin on the standing water beyond it was more of an issue to me. From a personal point of view considering the conditions, Druids felt less of a challenge than it has done before.
The two places on the track I found the least grip were the turn in to Hizzy's and the subsequent left hander. The rear would kick out on both of those if I used the normal line. By turning in later to hizzy's (missing the apex curb) and then driving around the outside of the left hander the rear would then behave itself. Quite enjoyed trying to work that one out.Yellow491 said:
ginettajoe said:
Why on earth would you want to turn in later?? Any car feels horrendous if you take that line!!! I'm afraid I would have to disagree regarding your sentiments about different cars needing varying lines to go round corners, and when you suggest that there is no chance of going in on the brakes, demonstrates to me, exactly how little you understand about driving a car!!!!
You are clearly not worth a reply with a response similar to how R operates on here,stick to your ginetta etc thanks.My mate Digga who is a much better driver than myself was also lucky enough to get laps with Yellow491, and he was of the same opinion.!
You're all great drivers, just a different style of driving..No right or wrong IMO..
I don’t think that Yellow needs any help finding the right lines around any circuit. How many race wins do you have under your belt Yellow? Between us there must be over 100?
On saying that you can still make mistakes no matter how much experience you have. I made a howler. I came into the pits to do a passenger change and 3 or 4 mins later I was out again. Spitting rain but dry and plenty of grip in the pit exit. Wipers on full to asses the rain fall, bank that check mirrors and attack Cascades. Over the brow and the circuit is wet. Turned out the pit lane was dry but Cascades was wet. No chance to stop - no abs in the 997 no grip to turn down the escape road and didn’t want to risk sideways entry into the gravel trap as the entry was very quick and almost certain dig in and roll. so just went straight on hoping the car would eventually dig in - which it finally did just before the wall.
Basic lesson learned. Even if you just been out, Never enter a circuit in changeable conditions full beans without a reccy lap or at least a few corners. Sounds crazy when you think about it. I’d either been unlucky or just getting away with it for years. I’ll take the latter option
So if you were inconvenienced while you were waiting for me to be dragged out of the kitty litter just before lunch, please accept my sincere apologies.
On saying that you can still make mistakes no matter how much experience you have. I made a howler. I came into the pits to do a passenger change and 3 or 4 mins later I was out again. Spitting rain but dry and plenty of grip in the pit exit. Wipers on full to asses the rain fall, bank that check mirrors and attack Cascades. Over the brow and the circuit is wet. Turned out the pit lane was dry but Cascades was wet. No chance to stop - no abs in the 997 no grip to turn down the escape road and didn’t want to risk sideways entry into the gravel trap as the entry was very quick and almost certain dig in and roll. so just went straight on hoping the car would eventually dig in - which it finally did just before the wall.
Basic lesson learned. Even if you just been out, Never enter a circuit in changeable conditions full beans without a reccy lap or at least a few corners. Sounds crazy when you think about it. I’d either been unlucky or just getting away with it for years. I’ll take the latter option
So if you were inconvenienced while you were waiting for me to be dragged out of the kitty litter just before lunch, please accept my sincere apologies.
Steve Rance said:
On saying that you can still make mistakes no matter how much experience you have...
Yes, you with all your experience and race wins, and also me with none of the above. The man who never made a mistake never did anything.
Steve Rance said:
So if you were inconvenienced while you were waiting for me to be dragged out of the kitty litter just before lunch, please accept my sincere apologies.
Likewise for the red flag at around 3:30pm because 'a friend' span and stalled in Deer's Leap.hunter 66 said:
You just did it for our entertainment Steve ........ but yes it was a lot wetter just over the rise ......nice surprise ....
Ha ha ha! That’s almost exactly what I thought as I popped over the crest! Pete. Really regret not getting time to spend with you guys. Are you booked on to any of RSR’s day’s? Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff