981 misfire and useless OPC

981 misfire and useless OPC

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The Surveyor

7,576 posts

237 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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SkinnyPete said:
To be honest I really can't remember but I would lean to saying yes. My hunch is only 4 out of the 6 plugs were changed (if they even bothered at all) or when they were replacing it they damaged the ignition packs which are fairly fragile pieces of kit.

I'm going to have another crack at my OPC but failing that I'll change plugs and coils myself and I'll bet a months salary it fixes the issue.
Maybe a stupid suggestion, but could this be a lead that's failing, If the misfire is ignition related, and the plugs and coil packs have been replaced without any improvement, how old are the ignition leads?

AW10

4,436 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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It's one coil per plug/cylinder so no leads per se.

The Surveyor

7,576 posts

237 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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AW10 said:
It's one coil per plug/cylinder so no leads per se.
Agh Ok cheers, it was just a thought.... So that's why the length of the plug is important too.

AW10

4,436 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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Um, no, pretty sure the issue with plug length was the bit inside the combustion chamber. At the connector/coil end they're all pretty standard.

TrackNutz

164 posts

76 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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AW10 said:
Um, no, pretty sure the issue with plug length was the bit inside the combustion chamber. At the connector/coil end they're all pretty standard.
Correct, they're the same size on the ceramic side, it's the electrode end that differs in length, depending on which one you fit to which engine depends on whether you end up with misfires or a squashed plug/dented piston.

TrackNutz

164 posts

76 months

Tuesday 6th November 2018
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AW10 said:
Um, no, pretty sure the issue with plug length was the bit inside the combustion chamber. At the connector/coil end they're all pretty standard.
Correct, they're the same size on the ceramic side, it's the electrode end that differs in length, depending on which one you fit to which engine depends on whether you end up with misfires or a squashed plug/dented piston.

Unbusy

934 posts

97 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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SkinnyPete said:
mechanics sometimes get lazy when they think they can get away (especially when they get a bonus for completing jobs early, which they do at Porsche)
What a crazy idea. The customer pays for the time and then it’s cut short where possible.
Not exactly confidence inspiring.

Steve H

5,283 posts

195 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Hardly unusual for a job to offer rewards or bonus for outperforming the average.


AW10

4,436 posts

249 months

Wednesday 7th November 2018
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And it's not like they're offering the service at a discount - from memory the plug change is £240. What's the procedure - remove rear wheels, remove an undertray, remove 6 coils and remove 6 plugs? Probably 30 minutes on a lift by an experienced mechanic? Sorry, service technician. biggrin

Demort

76 posts

112 months

Friday 16th November 2018
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I've seen a car that had spark plug replacement and came in with hesitation .. one of the plugs had a bent electrode giving it a weak spark on that cyl .. no fault codes as it wasn't at the limits to generate one .. could be seen on rough running on a tester though.

Another possibility is the high lift solenoid is sticking .. it gives a low rev rough running fault .. but you would normally get a misfire from that bank if it was that .. takes a while though.

SkinnyPete

Original Poster:

1,419 posts

149 months

Sunday 23rd December 2018
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I took the car to a well respected Porsche independent and they agreed they could feel exactly what I was talking about. Unfortunately their computer too said everything was fine, ignition, fuel etc.

They said have a go at replacing coils etc but I could just potentially be throwing money down the drain.

I then tried another OPC who had the car for two days, the best they did was reset the ECU and PDK ECU.

I’ll have to be honest it did seem to make an improvement although it wasn’t perfect, however as a few weeks past it’s back to how it was.

They’re taking another look soon, but this time I’ve asked them to liaise with Porsche Germany until the car is fixed.

lclarke3cars

4 posts

61 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Hi, I have this very same issue with my 2015 981 with 30k mls.
Did you find out what it was in the end?

Thanks
Lee

SkinnyPete

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1,419 posts

149 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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lclarke3cars said:
Hi, I have this very same issue with my 2015 981 with 30k mls.
Did you find out what it was in the end?

Thanks
Lee
Just tried to PM you but your account doesn't permit it.

khushy

3,964 posts

219 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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If you have PSE - it may well be one of the two PSE vales stuck open or closed - easy cheap diagnosis and fix

short-shift

341 posts

179 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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Maybe Lee ended up owning SkinnyPete's old car - still got that dodgy misfire...!!

James

Andyoz

2,887 posts

54 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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Inlet valve coking was mentioned in earlier post. Not something dealers want to talk about...

I assume the more recent engines have tricks to avoid that though.

lclarke3cars

4 posts

61 months

Thursday 2nd January 2020
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SkinnyPete said:
Just tried to PM you but your account doesn't permit it.
That’s weird! I’ll have to look into why I can’t get PM’s. I still have the issue and the car had a recent service at an independent Porsche garage, so I assume plugs and leads are all ok.

lclarke3cars

4 posts

61 months

Thursday 2nd January 2020
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khushy said:
If you have PSE - it may well be one of the two PSE vales stuck open or closed - easy cheap diagnosis and fix
I don’t have the PSE, so that eliminates that possibility!

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd January 2020
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put v power in it and run 3 tanks of that.

I had a hire car last week, filled up with £20 worth of 95 cheap st the car misfired and the engine light came on, I took the car back and said it's fked wont go above 30 mph and kangaroo down the road ! I thought I was stranded but after 3 restarts I limped it back to the garage, brand new 69 plate car with only 2 k miles on it also.

in my own cars I only use Vpower and my cars all run like a dream, if on the odd chance I have to put a tenner of 95 ron in I can tell straight away.

I think cheap fuel or even the 98 ron BP crap is all st stuff.


Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd January 2020
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khushy said:
If you have PSE - it may well be one of the two PSE vales stuck open or closed - easy cheap diagnosis and fix
My PSE vales are all open on any car I own, it's a non issue.