£45K budget...your thoughts appreciated.
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Take a look at https://www.cameronsportscars.com/stock/#porsche, they have a few in your price bracket and are all in good nick, I've seen them.
The 964/993 provide substantially more 'Sense of Occasion' than anything else you have listed, this is priceless.
There is also so much BS spoken about the running costs of these cars it defies belief! -The numbers are also almost exclusively provided by those that do not own a 93 or 64, but talk as if they are experts,with wild sweeping statements, you WILL need an engine rebuild, you will need X, you will need Y, how can you possibly make these statements about a theoretical car, total BS.
If you want a usable, practical car go modern, if you want a sense of occasion, go air cooled. - The reason air cooled prices are where they are is because those that own them know what they have, and those that do not talk about the 'costs' hoping that their chatter will effect the market causing the prices to tumble!
There is also so much BS spoken about the running costs of these cars it defies belief! -The numbers are also almost exclusively provided by those that do not own a 93 or 64, but talk as if they are experts,with wild sweeping statements, you WILL need an engine rebuild, you will need X, you will need Y, how can you possibly make these statements about a theoretical car, total BS.
If you want a usable, practical car go modern, if you want a sense of occasion, go air cooled. - The reason air cooled prices are where they are is because those that own them know what they have, and those that do not talk about the 'costs' hoping that their chatter will effect the market causing the prices to tumble!
kevs 172 said:
Whilst I agree you could easily have to spend 30k on a 964(engine rebuild, bodywork and suspension etc)it’s likely that the ones for 45k-50k would have had a certain amount of work carried out previously.Great cars.
sadly that's more like £50k of work lolyes they are great cars, just not as simple to find rot free as people make out at the price points quoted !
I also think people today under estimate the costs of getting a full repaint, and that's if you just supply a shell.
I have seen £65k blow over cars and rots coming back though !
there is no getting away from this on a UK 964 now.
If some one can show me a 2 WD manual coupe with a top end engine rebuild say 70k miles rot free org paint for £45k I'll buy it tomorrow.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 14th January 17:36
Porsche911R said:
sadly that's more like £50k of work lol
yes they are great cars, just not as simple to find rot free as people make out at the price points quoted !
I also think people today under estimate the costs of getting a full repaint, and that's if you just supply a shell.
I have seen £65k blow over cars and rots coming back though !
there is no getting away from this on a UK 964 now.
If some one can show me a 2 WD manual coupe with a top end engine rebuild say 70k miles rot free org paint for £45k I'll buy it tomorrow.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but having bought fairly recently, a 50k 964C2 Manual would or should have had certain things sorted.yes they are great cars, just not as simple to find rot free as people make out at the price points quoted !
I also think people today under estimate the costs of getting a full repaint, and that's if you just supply a shell.
I have seen £65k blow over cars and rots coming back though !
there is no getting away from this on a UK 964 now.
If some one can show me a 2 WD manual coupe with a top end engine rebuild say 70k miles rot free org paint for £45k I'll buy it tomorrow.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 14th January 17:36
I do totally agree that it will need further money spent. I also think mileage is totally irrelevant on these cars to the condition they are currently in.
Cheers
Andy-6ufnp said:
OP, get yourself in a 4C for a test drive they are so much fun and a real event every time you use it. Whilst not perfect they can be modified quite cheaply to drive so much better than a stock car. Jamie at Alfaworks is the go to for modifications and he makes this into what the factory should have done at the start.
I've had loads of Porsche's but none give me the grin factor that my 4C does. 7.5k miles in 18 months as an occasional Sunday car is testament to my enjoyment of driving it.
You don't see them on every street corner either, I've seen a handful out and only 2 actually driving on the road and one of them was in France.
I've had a 4C Spider which I enjoyed a lot. For me the gearbox was the main fly in the ointment but a very special car for the money - I would buy another. I've had loads of Porsche's but none give me the grin factor that my 4C does. 7.5k miles in 18 months as an occasional Sunday car is testament to my enjoyment of driving it.
You don't see them on every street corner either, I've seen a handful out and only 2 actually driving on the road and one of them was in France.
m33ufo said:
Viewed the JZM Spyder this afternoon. It's a very nice car and ticked most the boxes for me. BUT...if I bought it I'd be the 8th owner. With 7 previous owners I don't see it as a £50K car and I know when I come around to passing it on 8 owners would be an issue for most.
Lots of owners on a fairly impractical car like that (I know its not for most of us on here
) not the end of the world. Is it not worth maybe making a cheeky offer at a price you maybe couldn't refuse if its a nice car or are the 8 owners just too many for you? If you get a mo I'd love a link to your thoughts on your 650S ownership experience if you posted them anywhere.
m33ufo said:
I've had a 4C Spider which I enjoyed a lot. For me the gearbox was the main fly in the ointment but a very special car for the money - I would buy another.
Sorry to go OT, but what colour/spec was your 4C. At £37K, they look a tempting buy ....even though I don't like auto boxes!m33ufo said:
Viewed the JZM Spyder this afternoon. It's a very nice car and ticked most the boxes for me. BUT...if I bought it I'd be the 8th owner. With 7 previous owners I don't see it as a £50K car and I know when I come around to passing it on 8 owners would be an issue for most.
Surely the condition of the car and mileage is what matters on a rare car like this?What does it matter how many people have owned it before if most of them have hardly driven it?
And how on earth does it make it not worth 50k?
Porsche911R said:
Patina is not rot.
mates just bought an early car which looks tired at £100k but it's org paint and painting it would 1/2 it's value ! but when he's done the engine etc it will be a great drive and have great Patina for an early 60's 911.
the issue with most 964 is it's not patina, it's clearly rot :-(
Absolutely. My reference was regarding people who are obsessed with 'perfect' paint. A little rust does not mean the car needs a full respray but as you say, if it's rotten it will need more than cosmetic repair. I'm not sure that most 964's suffer from rot though. They are no more prone to rust than anything else. The problem is that quite a few cars fell into the hands of people who couldn't afford to garage/maintain them and simply weren't looked after properly when compared tp other 911's that would have had a more cosseted life. The days of £15K 964's may be over but many of those that were bought cheaply are now needing the maintenance that they sholud have had previously. Find one thats had the same care that the majority of aircooled 911's have had and it will be fine. mates just bought an early car which looks tired at £100k but it's org paint and painting it would 1/2 it's value ! but when he's done the engine etc it will be a great drive and have great Patina for an early 60's 911.
the issue with most 964 is it's not patina, it's clearly rot :-(
m33ufo said:
Viewed the JZM Spyder this afternoon. It's a very nice car and ticked most the boxes for me. BUT...if I bought it I'd be the 8th owner. With 7 previous owners I don't see it as a £50K car and I know when I come around to passing it on 8 owners would be an issue for most.
It is such a shame that the last 4 owners( I think all over the last 18 months) put very little if any miles on the car I suppose it was a victim of the crazy overs/ inflated prices of the last couple of years, it went from £50k to £55k and at one stage it was up for £60k so some one lost some money along the way , but it shows which way the market is going!I think if someone bought it as a keeper then the last 7 owners would be irrelevant!
As mentioned before if I had the spare cash and the space to keep I would buy in a heartbeat but then the 981spyder up for £66k i saw today online is only £16k more and perhaps the better buy!
IMI A said:
Lots of owners on a fairly impractical car like that (I know its not for most of us on here ) not the end of the world. Is it not worth maybe making a cheeky offer at a price you maybe couldn't refuse if its a nice car or are the 8 owners just too many for you?
If you get a mo I'd love a link to your thoughts on your 650S ownership experience if you posted them anywhere.
I tried the cheeky offer route which was quickly rebuffed ) not the end of the world. Is it not worth maybe making a cheeky offer at a price you maybe couldn't refuse if its a nice car or are the 8 owners just too many for you? If you get a mo I'd love a link to your thoughts on your 650S ownership experience if you posted them anywhere.
They want VERY close to £50K (firm!). 650S is a great car. Quickest thing I've ever driven by a margin. Couple of negatives....lacks a little character compared similar GT products and you definitely need a warranty!
They're looking incredible value right now for sure.
FrankCayman said:
Sorry to go OT, but what colour/spec was your 4C. At £37K, they look a tempting buy ....even though I don't like auto boxes!
Mine was a Giallo Prototipo Spider. I'd buy another but I'd like to get back into a Porsche to use alongside the GT8. I agree....very tempting. Budflicker said:
Surely the condition of the car and mileage is what matters on a rare car like this?
What does it matter how many people have owned it before if most of them have hardly driven it?
And how on earth does it make it not worth 50k?
I'd definitely buy the car....but of course the number of owners has an effect on ease of resale and so value. Purely speaking from my own experience. What does it matter how many people have owned it before if most of them have hardly driven it?
And how on earth does it make it not worth 50k?
By all means go pay £50K for it if you want.
m33ufo said:
I've had a 4C Spider which I enjoyed a lot. For me the gearbox was the main fly in the ointment but a very special car for the money - I would buy another.
When you're giving it the beans there's not much wrong with the gearbox at all, pretty quick changes IMHO. Around town it can be a bit slushmatic occasionally but it's never been an issue for me, too much much other exciting things happening like whooshing and wastegate flapping noises. Doesn't take much to excite a 61yo petrolhead though.
A manual 997.2 C2S coupe would be the best buy.
Looks, great 911 and non- chocolate engine plus usable. Plus you can use it and the value isn't as mileage sensitive.
Good 993 and 964's are hard to find, expensive to buy and maintain.
987.2 Spyder is nice but not as usable and mileage sensitive.
A nice 987.2 S is a good call (911R) as the best value Porsche, but at 45k I'd pick the 997.2 C2S.
Good luck.
Looks, great 911 and non- chocolate engine plus usable. Plus you can use it and the value isn't as mileage sensitive.
Good 993 and 964's are hard to find, expensive to buy and maintain.
987.2 Spyder is nice but not as usable and mileage sensitive.
A nice 987.2 S is a good call (911R) as the best value Porsche, but at 45k I'd pick the 997.2 C2S.
Good luck.
Andy-6ufnp said:
When you're giving it the beans there's not much wrong with the gearbox at all, pretty quick changes IMHO. Around town it can be a bit slushmatic occasionally but it's never been an issue for me, too much much other exciting things happening like whooshing and wastegate flapping noises. Doesn't take much to excite a 61yo petrolhead though.
But wouldn't it have been ace as a manual I didn't try the gearbox mods on my old one - maybe something to consider if I bought another.
Such a pretty car and very special.
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