New shape 997.2 GT3 RS

[TonyF]

Thinking of dipping my toes into Porsche ownership and looked at a 2018 997.2 gt3 RS in lizard green ! Has green roll cage and partial green on interior seats etc and is clubsport spec I’m just not sure on the colour.
What are your thoughts please ?

[LaSource]

Don’t do it! It’s a scam

[RSVP911]

TonyF said:

Thinking of dipping my toes into Porsche ownership and looked at a 2018 997.2 gt3 RS in lizard green ! Has green roll cage and partial green on interior seats etc and is clubsport spec I’m just not sure on the colour.
What are your thoughts please ?

Assume you mean 991.2 GT3RS ?

[TonyF]

RSVP911 said:

Assume you mean 991.2 GT3RS ?

Sorry, yes.

[RSVP911]

TonyF said:

RSVP911 said:

Assume you mean 991.2 GT3RS ?

Sorry, yes.

Ok colour is absolutly subjective - so it’s your shout. I personally don’t like LG but others do and it’s not my car.

If it’s your first 911 then a 991.2 RS is a hell of a way of dipping your toe in and they are not for everyone - if you’ve had lots of other raw supercars then it will not be a problem, if not , it’s quite a thing.

Be careful on price - the overs market is very frothy and advertised prices and actual sold prices can be very different - either way whatever you do, don’t think for one minute that you’re buying an investment (assuming this is what the dealer is saying)

Good luck, they are an engineering masterpiece.

Edited to add : Not that I care about this and it’s highly subjective, but there is a school of thought that says that Cermaic Brakes (Yellow PCCB’s) and a cage are a “must” - I agree on the cage for an RS , brakes are subjective depending on usage - but the re sale market prefers ceramics (rightly or wrongly) - However it’s your car so buy what you like .

Edited again to add : just seen “your garage” - you can probably ignore most of my post

Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 16th January 08:08

[TonyF]

RSVP911 said:

Ok colour is absolutly subjective - so it’s your shout. I personally don’t like LG but others do and it’s not my car.

If it’s your first 911 then a 991.2 RS is a hell of a way of dipping your toe in and they are not for everyone - if you’ve had lots of other raw supercars then it will not be a problem, if not , it’s quite a thing.

Be careful on price - the overs market is very frothy and advertised prices and actual sold prices can be very different - either way whatever you do, don’t think for one minute that you’re buying an investment (assuming this is what the dealer is saying)

Good luck, they are an engineering masterpiece.

Edited to add : Not that I care about this and it’s highly subjective, but there is a school of thought that says that Cermaic Brakes (Yellow PCCB’s) and a cage are a “must” - I agree on the cage for an RS , brakes are subjective depending on usage - but the re sale market prefers ceramics (rightly or wrongly) - However it’s your car so buy what you like .

Edited again to add : just seen “your garage” - you can probably ignore most of my post

Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 16th January 08:08

Thankyou,
I’m contemplating a px on my 488 gtb for the 991 as I’ve never really gelled with it and the prices for them are dropping like a stone right now so maybe a good time to get out of it.
Got a 991 in mind and spoke with the dealer and cost to change is minimal at the moment with the 991 at 200k just not sure on the colour, there are others around but not specced up as nice as this one.

[Taffy66]

I've seen a 991.2GT3 RS in LG right next to one in Miami blue and i much prefer it in the latter colour. This is from being not a fan of MB normally but it really suits the RS IMO.
If i don't get one in the second batch i might buy one in White with the LG cage,seats and stitching.Bear in mind that the new RS will ride like a Cart compared to your 488..I run a 458 alongside a 991.2GT3 and 981 Spyder and the 458 rides like a limo in comparison to the Porsches. The new gen RS has a much firmer ride than the GT3 so i suggest you drive one first before buying it, preferably on some typical rough UK roads.
Amazing cars if you GET IT however be careful on the much mooted 'overs' as i think they're unsustainable ATM.

Edited by Taffy66 on Wednesday 16th January 08:48

[Porsche911R]

the 991.2 RS is really a track car and does not fair well in reviews all stating too much for the road and too hard.

So pretty much a posers car if you are not tracking it !

while the non RS wins loads of praise for a road car and you get to choose manual if you want to drive it and have a bit more fun, the spring rates are also more suited for road use.

Also the RS is very much like your Lamborghini Huracan performante.

I would sell the 458 and the 488 and get a 458 speciale, or just add to the fleet a manual 991.2 GT3.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 16th January 08:52

[hunter 66]

After a 488 it feels a bit gutless , nice to rev to 9,000.

[Porsche911R]

hunter 66 said:

After a 488 it feels a bit gutless , nice to rev to 9,000.

looking at a lot of people on here selling GT3 and newer faster cars for older slower cars, I would not call any thing which can do sub 8 seconds to a ton gutless.

I seen owners who have come from GT4 to GT3 back to the Cayman R time and time again,

I cannot keep my foot in in the GT3 for more than a few seconds, I will be selling it after summer for some thing slower also.
Change out of 3rd and look at the speed and you are doing 140 leptons and still gaining speed.

458 Speciale is still the car imo over any Porker, NA, high reving BUT the biggest thing which makes it exciting is the very short ratio's vs a Porsche

So you are up and down the box all the time and the paddles really work well on this car, the Porkers you wait a day and an age to hit 9k and then add in PDK and they can get pretty unexciting. you never see a car review of a Porker going up 2 gears EVER, they change gear for effect in reviews ! EVERY single review they try and hit 9k in 2nd and as soon as they do they flip the paddles to 3rd and then change back to 2nd lol

you drive a 458 Speciale and you get the best of everything, it's a lot lighter than the standard car, it feels very special, but the gearing wins for me and the steering is also exciting and fast, you are using 2nd, 3rd and 4th all the time, it's manic.

A reason my £25k Golf CS feels great to pilot is the gearing and the suspension compliance , nothing to do with the speed.

458 Speciale is in the top 3 cars I have driven. Porkers just make great cars which are cheap to own and run for people like me who cannot really afford to run a car like a Ferrari, Pork really nails it for a usable car which is still involving (as long as you stick to manuals)

Sadly Porsche don't make a single car I would want to own today ! hence I am on the look out for a mint 997.2 with low miles which I can use and add a load of miles too.

And my 987.2 Spyder is still one of the best road drivers cars ever imo hence it's the only car from 73 I have kept.

It's a very fine line finding a drivers car imo which makes you grin and work for the drive 100% of the time but fast enough today to do the 5 car over take as 4 cars sit behind a 80 year old doing 38 in a 60 and NO one over takes these days !

I love my GT3 esp in manual and the engine is a master piece , but it's really not usable, it's way way to fast by the time you hunt out 9k in 3rd.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 16th January 09:33

[TonyF]

I’m sure it will feel gutless after the 488 but I just can’t gel with it, the sound of it drives me mad and I MUCH prefer my 458 spider if just for the sound alone, there’s to much about the 488 that I don’t like so she’s got to go.
Done a lot of research on the rs and I like what I’m reading so maybe get one and see how it goes, I do prefer the track orientated type cars right now as I’ve raced for the last 20 odd years in different series and enjoy that type of car, just never having had a Porsche of any type before makes me a bit hesitant for some reason.
I have a few friends with Porsche’s that have said you won’t go far wrong with an rs but I just wanted to get opinions from you guys before taking the plunge so to speak.
Really appreciate answers so far, keep them coming !

[hunter 66]

Yes was talking about on track ..... only place to use cars properly and safely for other road users as well .

[hunter 66]

TonyF said:

I’m sure it will feel gutless after the 488 but I just can’t gel with it, the sound of it drives me mad and I MUCH prefer my 458 spider if just for the sound alone, there’s to much about the 488 that I don’t like so she’s got to go.
Done a lot of research on the rs and I like what I’m reading so maybe get one and see how it goes, I do prefer the track orientated type cars right now as I’ve raced for the last 20 odd years in different series and enjoy that type of car, just never having had a Porsche of any type before makes me a bit hesitant for some reason.
I have a few friends with Porsche’s that have said you won’t go far wrong with an rs but I just wanted to get opinions from you guys before taking the plunge so to speak.
Really appreciate answers so far, keep them coming !

Yes also raced for long time and agree you will like the car as close to a race GT as you can get but still be comfortable for daily use . Not, the most powerful or fast but great feel and balance .

[Porsche911R]

TonyF said:

I’m sure it will feel gutless after the 488 but I just can’t gel with it, the sound of it drives me mad and I MUCH prefer my 458 spider if just for the sound alone, there’s to much about the 488 that I don’t like so she’s got to go.
Done a lot of research on the rs and I like what I’m reading so maybe get one and see how it goes, I do prefer the track orientated type cars right now as I’ve raced for the last 20 odd years in different series and enjoy that type of car, just never having had a Porsche of any type before makes me a bit hesitant for some reason.
I have a few friends with Porsche’s that have said you won’t go far wrong with an rs but I just wanted to get opinions from you guys before taking the plunge so to speak.
Really appreciate answers so far, keep them coming !

If you have friends with Pork get them to rev out to 3rd on a bumpy B road in a new RS, you might change your mind in 20 seconds :-)

It's one thing liking track orientated type cars, it's another thing using them on the road to their best.

If you want to track it loads buy the 991.2 RS it's seems a great track car this time round and def more track bias than past models.

But if you have never owned a Porker you are in for a shock with the gear ratios over your 458.

[hunter 66]

Revving out in 3 rd on a B road , is illegal and not fair on other road users ... in a 488 as well , irrespective of ratios .
But agree ratios are longer , would love to take the RS on the full Le Mans circuit as was done between racing at Classic Le Mans last year . Run down to Indianapolis would be fun , may even need 7 th .

[LaSource]

Whilst some cars have longer ratios and some shorter, I think we are far far overdoing it on this thread.

All these cars are too fast for the road if you wish to 'rev out' and maintain legal limits - so your choices are either be illegal or go to a circuit.

Other factors about how the car looks, make you feel, noise, etc, etc are equally important - yes drivability inc ratios might be in there somewhere as well. But it is sounding like a broken record.

997.2 GT3 has similar ratios to 997.1 996 etc etc....they are all great cars.

[Taffy66]

My new 458 i find is more involving to drive as a road car compared to my 991.2 GT3.PDK despite it being a fair bit faster..I attribute this to having a much better ride comfort and being lower geared.The 458's Carbon racing seats also have a rotary dial to adjust the backrest angle which i prefer sometimes when i want a more relaxed driving position.
After driving my GT3 straight after my 458 i can't imagine how harsh a 991.2GT3 RS would feel on the road.The 458 breathes with a rough road much like a larger Lotus Elise..

[TonyF]

Will see how I get on with it. Taking delivery this saturday now after a good test drive. Will still have the 458 and performante to use alongside it.
Interesting answers throughout, thankyou.
Talking of which, I tried a perf with the race bucket seats as a demo and if anyone is considering one for the love of god don't get one with these seats they are back breaking !
Comfort seats all the way.

[Porsche911R]

hunter 66 said:

Revving out in 3 rd on a B road , is illegal and not fair on other road users ... .

That's just a stupid comment though, because every one does more than 60 mph on B roads in these cars we choose to own.

So one then has to think how far do you want to go over the legal limit, in a shorter geared car the speeds can be far lower to enjoy the car. As Taffy has found out. And why I sold my 996 GT3, as older GT3's just make really bad road cars imo !

the issue now is the new laws regarding fines and points vs speeds brought in in 2018, so getting caught now is far harsher, so owning a car you cannot enjoy makes it a lifestyle posers car, nothing more if you don't live on track with them or are prepared to take it to 120 or so.

the 458 only does 88mph at 9k revs in 3rd, so as I stated you can be on it and see red line in 2nd 3rd and 4th.

older GT3, GT4 and all 981 do 85 mph in 2nd lol !! only the 997.2 RS has the shorter final drive but still does 104mph in 3rd vs the Ferrari 88mph !

It's a big difference driving a Ferrari over GT Porkers or even a bogo 981 manual.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 16th January 14:22

[Porsche911R]

LaSource said:

Whilst some cars have longer ratios and some shorter, I think we are far far overdoing it on this thread.

All these cars are too fast for the road if you wish to 'rev out' and maintain legal limits - so your choices are either be illegal or go to a circuit.

Other factors about how the car looks, make you feel, noise, etc, etc are equally important - yes drivability inc ratios might be in there somewhere as well. But it is sounding like a broken record.

997.2 GT3 has similar ratios to 997.1 996 etc etc....they are all great cars.

I disagree, the gearing makes or breaks a car for fast road use vs fun, hence why I sold up my GT3 in the past and would not buy another 996, 997 etc unless doing a project with short final drive and some good shocks.
It is what it is, but it's far from sounding like a broken record, we just have GT3 hype on PH , we always have sadly.