Definition of money laundering

Definition of money laundering

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5STM5

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303 posts

149 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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joropug

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189 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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To launder money there needs to be an underlying crime associated with it. For instance a drug dealers income is a proceed of crime, making it seem legitimate is the act of laundeting. If the money that goes into those accounts is legitimate there shouldn't be an issue per say.....

But...bank KYC requirements include the purpose of use on an account. If you open an account to the tune of it being for your kids pocket money and it regularly sees international transfers and card use i think you might have some problems.

A pre paid debit card may be suitable or simply get a product like Monzo in their own country. My account let's me spend money abroad easily , I barely use cash now.

ATG

20,575 posts

272 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Why not just go into your bank and ask them what services they can provide to your relative? You don't have to be a UK resident to have a UK bank account.

poo at Paul's

14,147 posts

175 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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ATG said:
Why not just go into your bank and ask them what services they can provide to your relative? You don't have to be a UK resident to have a UK bank account.
Presumably the relative wishes to launder money!!

5STM5

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303 posts

149 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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They have asked, to try and keep things simple rather than providing documents from overseas. It might be simpler to use my or my kids ID and proof of address to open the account. I don't mind doing it providing its all above board.

ATG

20,575 posts

272 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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5STM5 said:
They have asked, to try and keep things simple rather than providing documents from overseas. It might be simpler to use my or my kids ID and proof of address to open the account. I don't mind doing it providing its all above board.
It isn't above board. The bank will notice what is going on as soon as the account is used and they'll freeze it then close it.

The way to keep it simple is to go talk to a bank. Having accounts in different countries and/or in different currencies is not unusual and is easy to set up.

If by "keep it simple" they mean "try to hide transactions from HMRC" and you're considering doing this in your kids' names ...

wisbech

2,977 posts

121 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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How will you explain the money on your tax returns? Gifts from your relative? Or just hope you don’t get audited.

As others have said - you don’t need to be UK resident to have bank account.

Boosted LS1

21,187 posts

260 months

Saturday 16th November 2019
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Have a chat with a Nigerian friend, he will help you. Katanga.

markyb_lcy

9,904 posts

62 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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Take a look at Revolut. I use it for travel money. You can easily create accounts in multiple currencies. You certainly don’t need a uk account to buy things in sterling, and likewise it’s possible to have sterling accounts that are not registered with uk banks.

But yea if they want you for actual nefarious purposes, or there is a chance they might be doing that without telling you, then run a mile.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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There is no issue with overseas citizens and residents having UK account, my wife has a couple, you will need to provide a source for the money, pay slip, tax reference etc for first transaction,

OzzyR1

5,722 posts

232 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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5STM5 said:
They have asked, to try and keep things simple rather than providing documents from overseas. It might be simpler to use my or my kids ID and proof of address to open the account. I don't mind doing it providing its all above board.
Do whatever you want to do, but for Christ's sake don't pull your kids into it.

If it goes wrong, they'll have a black mark on their credit score before they've even started.

Sounds dodgy tbh, why can't they just open a UK bank account or use an internet bank?

GT03ROB

13,263 posts

221 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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Silly question why do they need an account? If they have a debit card, use it in cashpoints in the UK no probs, tank the money from the foreign account as & when they need it. May be a slight premium, but far far easier.

hutchst

3,702 posts

96 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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Open an 'Expat' account with a UK retail bank. It will probably be located in the Channel Islands, but all done online.

As long as they are genuinely non-resident in UK for tax purposes, and can provide the supporting documents, it's no problem.

However, the question remains why you need one if it really is just for having money to spend while on holiday in the UK, because most foreign bank cards work fine (unless your expat home account is in Ethiopian Birr or Malawian Kwacha). There are other reasons that don't necessarily relate to money laundering. Amazon, for example, won't let you transact or watch Prime Video, even with a VPN, if you don't have UK account card registered with them (so I've been told by a 'friend').

Durzel

12,271 posts

168 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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How is it “simpler” to use a completely disassociated person’s identity to open an account than the documents the relative could provide?

If they’re over often enough that this is all a requirement in the first place then they can drop off and collect documents easily enough?

steveo3002

10,525 posts

174 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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doesnt seem to be much in it for you, they can already pull cash out the wall and pay with visa ,if theyre worried theres a couple of % fee's on that then let them change bank

drmike37

462 posts

56 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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Why don't they find a bank with a presence in UK and their home country?

My sister did this with HSBC and I think it was fairly easy to move money about.

Countdown

39,895 posts

196 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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GT03ROB said:
Silly question why do they need an account? If they have a debit card, use it in cashpoints in the UK no probs, tank the money from the foreign account as & when they need it. May be a slight premium, but far far easier.
This ^. I'm not sure why people overcomplicate things.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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5STM5 said:
Hello all,
Overseas relative wants a U.K. bank account opened to keep travel funds for their regular trips back here. If one was opened in mine or one of my kids names and our address here, for their sole use, would that contravene any money laundering laws?
Thanks
Tell your relation that you can't help. Suggest to them that they open an account in their own name with a UK bank.

If the UK bank has branches in your relation's country of residence, that branch may be able to advise them.

steveo3002

10,525 posts

174 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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trouble with you opening an account for them in your name , what if they get scammed somehow you will have to lie to the bank to say it happened to you and may well turn ugly

poo at Paul's

14,147 posts

175 months

Sunday 17th November 2019
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Clearly the family member wishes to launder his money through the UK and the OP is wondering if he kids can front it.
OP, what would the source of the money be? Cash, perchance?

Edited by poo at Paul's on Sunday 17th November 15:19