Taycan Charging Costs IONITY
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What's really interesting is that if the cost of the network roll-out is to be recovered directly from the motorist, there won't be room for additional taxation for decades. Which leaves a really big hole in the finances of most Western governments. So either income tax or VAT will go up...or we'll pay to use roads as well as paying much the same to run an EV as it costs now to run an ICE car. Remember they still charge duty on homebrew biodiesel; it's not technologically all that difficult to charge people extra for the electricity used to charge their car at home, especially with smart metering.
964Cup said:
What's really interesting is that if the cost of the network roll-out is to be recovered directly from the motorist, there won't be room for additional taxation for decades. Which leaves a really big hole in the finances of most Western governments. So either income tax or VAT will go up...or we'll pay to use roads as well as paying much the same to run an EV as it costs now to run an ICE car. Remember they still charge duty on homebrew biodiesel; it's not technologically all that difficult to charge people extra for the electricity used to charge their car at home, especially with smart metering.
Thing is it’s going to be easier to bypass or trick the electricity meter out of any additional taxation that it is to avoid duty on fuel. It’s relatively easy to bypass a meter or alter the PF correction to change what the meter charges.
If and when we are forced to drive EVs then how are solar or wind generation going to be taxed. It will be very hard to tax people generating there own free electricity.
Edited by MB140 on Sunday 26th January 17:53
C4ME said:
Surely it is only a matter of time before taxation is going to be charged by mileage rather than via fuel?
It would cost billions to implement it? Cameras on every stretch of roads to monitor you, they cant afford to implement motorway pricing yet?Cloning cars would be become rife?
964Cup said:
This. Which is another reason why older ICE cars will be "discouraged" from driving sooner rather than later. The alternative being a massive increase in VED for cars without the telemetry to support per-mile pricing.
It would have to be an aftermarket box fitted if at all? The tech involved to try and montitor 32 million cars in Britain is just unthinkable?MB140 said:
Excuse my ignorance I’ve had no real interest in EVs so far. I could google it but hopefully someone in the know will enlighten me.
Pretty much everything outside of US/China/japan uses CCS type 2 combo now. Tesla in europe either comes with CCS type 2 or can use it with adapter.The network/payment system is absolute dogs
te though by the looks. Hopefully there will be some rationalisation in the market and competition will force prices to a better level. tedblog said:
C4ME said:
Surely it is only a matter of time before taxation is going to be charged by mileage rather than via fuel?
It would cost billions to implement it? Cameras on every stretch of roads to monitor you, they cant afford to implement motorway pricing yet?yes its open to exploitation but its small potatoes compared to the cost of doing something more robust.
RobDickinson said:
We have this already in NZ, called road usage charge, priced per 1000km - goes on the odometer, just needs to be up to date when the car gets an MOT/road tax.
yes its open to exploitation but its small potatoes compared to the cost of doing something more robust.
. yes its open to exploitation but its small potatoes compared to the cost of doing something more robust.
I can see the mileage correction people doing a roaring trade if they were to implement it on the odometer at MOT time.
MB140 said:
RobDickinson said:
We have this already in NZ, called road usage charge, priced per 1000km - goes on the odometer, just needs to be up to date when the car gets an MOT/road tax.
yes its open to exploitation but its small potatoes compared to the cost of doing something more robust.
. yes its open to exploitation but its small potatoes compared to the cost of doing something more robust.
I can see the mileage correction people doing a roaring trade if they were to implement it on the odometer at MOT time.
964 cup really knows his stuff, his main post needs a much wider audience.
Are you telling me there is no tax or duty at all on charging costs for Evs? Poor old conventional motorists subsidising yet another section of society!
UK Treasury will be £50 billion short in the( hopefully) very long term, and guess who will make up the shortfall.
Are you telling me there is no tax or duty at all on charging costs for Evs? Poor old conventional motorists subsidising yet another section of society!
UK Treasury will be £50 billion short in the( hopefully) very long term, and guess who will make up the shortfall.
gtsralph said:
IONITY, the joint venture of BMW Group, Daimler AG, Ford Motor Company, Hyundai Motor Group and the Volkswagen Group with Porsche AG is changing the cost of charging electric vehicles from a flat rate of €8 to €0.79 per Kw/Hr so €79 to fully charge a Taycan Turbo from empty.
https://twitter.com/Edison_Media/status/1217839221...
Charging is significantly cheaper for Taycan owners.https://twitter.com/Edison_Media/status/1217839221...
https://newsroom.porsche.com/media-package/porsche...
rkwm1 said:
Charging is significantly cheaper for Taycan owners.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/media-package/porsche...
So only €33 but how much will this increase? Of course it should reduce as more and more EVs come onto the roads but something tells me the price will increase to more than petrol. Home charging is the way to go then, and of course that can't possibly go up just as we all own EVs. I mean the loss of revenue to the government wouldn't be countered by them adding duty to electricity? How could it? You'd have poor old pensioners paying for Taycan's in with their winter fuel bill!https://newsroom.porsche.com/media-package/porsche...
Or... maybe home charging circuits will have a separate sealed feed with a different tariff. Yes, that's it! I'll ask Boris right now.
Home charging is the normal for most evs for a while now. low power AC street charging will be next.
350kw chargers are a road trip special you will use infrequently.
At the moment the only real cars that can take advantage of speeds over 100kw are the etron, teslas and Porsche, this is aimed at pricing tesla off these chargers.
350kw chargers are a road trip special you will use infrequently.
At the moment the only real cars that can take advantage of speeds over 100kw are the etron, teslas and Porsche, this is aimed at pricing tesla off these chargers.
burman said:
Top Gear test of Taycan turbo S on Sunday , monkey Harris says a grand total of only 4 fast chargers good enough for a 20 min top up currently in UK,so only another 100,000 or so to go!
This total doesn't include the turbochargers (being) installed at Porsche Centres - Readings are online now964Cup said:
This. Which is another reason why older ICE cars will be "discouraged" from driving sooner rather than later. The alternative being a massive increase in VED for cars without the telemetry to support per-mile pricing.
40 year old cars are exempt VED. Unless they make something legally retrospective, which has never normal been what happens in the UK. Seatbelts, orange indicators, rear fog lamps, catalytic converters, etc are only required from a manufacturing date onwards.
gtsralph said:
IONITY, the joint venture of BMW Group, Daimler AG, Ford Motor Company, Hyundai Motor Group and the Volkswagen Group with Porsche AG is changing the cost of charging electric vehicles from a flat rate of €8 to €0.79 per Kw/Hr so €79 to fully charge a Taycan Turbo from empty.
https://twitter.com/Edison_Media/status/1217839221...
Just a slight increase of 500% their aim all along to "charge" a fortune for basically nothing.https://twitter.com/Edison_Media/status/1217839221...
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