GT3 / 3RS / Touring

[964Cup]

Yellow491 said:

No,i checked my car out yesterday and done a oil filter change ready for silverstone,the car has 1.5 deg all round,rake is ok ish and toes are fine,i dont want to spoil the road manners yet,so will see what the car is like on the 5th.I have however put the wing on max and removed the front trimmers as recommended by porsche to keep the balance, we will see
The dunlops looks to be worse than cups in the wet with the tread pattern!

I'm right in thinking that the whole front-end adjustability thing is a .2 innovation, yes? My car was originally a Dutch-delivered car, so I'm a bit short of English manuals. It looks like only the rear wing is adjustable on the .1 from what i can understand.

[Cheib]

964Cup said:

I'm right in thinking that the whole front-end adjustability thing is a .2 innovation, yes? My car was originally a Dutch-delivered car, so I'm a bit short of English manuals. It looks like only the rear wing is adjustable on the .1 from what i can understand.

Check out the “Good to Know” App. No idea why they called it that but it’s Porsche’s App for iPhone with model manuals you can download.

[TDT]

964Cup said:

Yellow491 said:

No,i checked my car out yesterday and done a oil filter change ready for silverstone,the car has 1.5 deg all round,rake is ok ish and toes are fine,i dont want to spoil the road manners yet,so will see what the car is like on the 5th.I have however put the wing on max and removed the front trimmers as recommended by porsche to keep the balance, we will see
The dunlops looks to be worse than cups in the wet with the tread pattern!

I'm right in thinking that the whole front-end adjustability thing is a .2 innovation, yes? My car was originally a Dutch-delivered car, so I'm a bit short of English manuals. It looks like only the rear wing is adjustable on the .1 from what i can understand.

Front aero adjustable flaps/‘trimmers’ was first introduced on the 981 GT4, and made its next appearance on the 991.2 GT3 RS and then 718 GT4 (apart from Australian Markets)

991.1 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3 do not have this. And neither does the 991.2 GT2 RS iirc

Edited by TDT on Sunday 21st June 15:17

[Taffy66]

TDT said:

Front aero adjustable flaps/‘trimmers’ was first introduced on the 981 GT4, and made its next appearance on the 991.2 GT3 RS.

991.1 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3 do not have this. And neither does the 991.2 GT2 RS iirc

That's interesting and something i was unaware of..

[Yellow491]

Taffy66 said:

TDT said:

Front aero adjustable flaps/‘trimmers’ was first introduced on the 981 GT4, and made its next appearance on the 991.2 GT3 RS.

991.1 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3 do not have this. And neither does the 991.2 GT2 RS iirc

That's interesting and something i was unaware of..

Well there you go taffy
Its said the latest rs has better aero than the gt2rs.
Pic of the parts below

Also did not realise the rs has ti headers,and a pair of cheeky ducts to the exhaust valves as well

[Taffy66]

Are you 100% the headers are Titanium and not Inconel as i'd have thought Ti wouldn't be able to take the heat..Those ducts you see are not for cooling the valves but the OPFs IIRC..Interesting to see beneath the RS without the diffuser..
Also surprised there isn't more cladding between the headers/ OPFs and rear tyres..Must help to get heat in the rears on a cold day but not so good on a hot one..;)

Edited by Taffy66 on Sunday 21st June 17:14

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

Are you 100% the headers are Titanium and not Inconel

I think you will find they are neither Ti or Inconel.

[Taffy66]

Porsche911R said:

I think you will find they are neither Ti or Inconel.

Yellow said their Ti on his RS and if anyone knows Ti or Inconel from SS it'll be him.

[Yellow491]

Taffy66 said:

Are you 100% the headers are Titanium and not Inconel as i'd have thought Ti wouldn't be able to take the heat..Those ducts you see are not for cooling the valves but the OPFs IIRC..Interesting to see beneath the RS without the diffuser..
Also surprised there isn't more cladding between the headers/ OPFs and rear tyres..Must help to get heat in the rears on a cold day but not so good on a hot one..;)

Edited by Taffy66 on Sunday 21st June 17:14

Not inconel,and totally non magnetic,and look like ti,they get magnetic where the opf fits inside,ti can take heat,just depends on the alloy and thickness etc.
I have inconel headers and exhaust on the 996gt3rs,factory fitted.
No the ducts go to the actuators.

[Taffy66]

Yellow491 said:

Not inconel,and totally non magnetic,and look like ti,they get magnetic where the opf fits inside,ti can take heat,just depends on the alloy and thickness etc.
I have inconel headers and exhaust on the 996gt3rs,factory fitted.
No the ducts go to the actuators.

My guess is that its made from Austenitic SS with high Nickel content and the reason it gets magnetic where it enters the OPFs is due to the very strong weld in your photo..As you know welding non magnetic SS can make it magnetic..

[Yellow491]

Taffy66 said:

Yellow491 said:

Not inconel,and totally non magnetic,and look like ti,they get magnetic where the opf fits inside,ti can take heat,just depends on the alloy and thickness etc.
I have inconel headers and exhaust on the 996gt3rs,factory fitted.
No the ducts go to the actuators.

My guess is that its made from Austenitic SS with high Nickel content and the reason it gets magnetic where it enters the OPFs is due to the very strong weld in your photo..As you know welding non magnetic SS can make it magnetic..

No the weld on the collector is not magnetic.

[ChrisW.]

TDT said:

Front aero adjustable flaps/‘trimmers’ was first introduced on the 981 GT4, and made its next appearance on the 991.2 GT3 RS and then 718 GT4 (apart from Australian Markets)

991.1 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3 do not have this. And neither does the 991.2 GT2 RS iirc

Edited by TDT on Sunday 21st June 15:17

Do you know anybody who has played with this ?

It's interesting that we have done so much and I certainly have not touched the aero ... ??

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

Porsche911R said:

I think you will find they are neither Ti or Inconel.

Yellow said their Ti on his RS and if anyone knows Ti or Inconel from SS it'll be him.

Not this time.

Most modern SS blends for exhaust now are non magnetic.
Nothing to get excited about just some Chromium blend, over a mild steel crap.

[Yellow491]

Porsche911R said:

Taffy66 said:

Porsche911R said:

I think you will find they are neither Ti or Inconel.

Yellow said their Ti on his RS and if anyone knows Ti or Inconel from SS it'll be him.

Not this time.

Most modern SS blends for exhaust now are non magnetic.
Nothing to get excited about just some Chromium blend, over a mild steel crap.

So what is it ,completely different Colour to the rest of the exhaust,not a hint of magnetism,the remainder of the exhaust is magnetic,its also thin.

[gtsralph]

TDT said:

Front aero adjustable flaps/‘trimmers’ was first introduced on the 981 GT4, and made its next appearance on the 991.2 GT3 RS and then 718 GT4 (apart from Australian Markets)

991.1 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3 do not have this. And neither does the 991.2 GT2 RS iirc

Edited by TDT on Sunday 21st June 15:17

Sure about 718 GT4? I haven’t found it yet.

[Porsche911R]

Yellow491 said:

So what is it ,completely different Colour to the rest of the exhaust,not a hint of magnetism,the remainder of the exhaust is magnetic,its also thin.

Too many blends these days and it’s not my area of knowledge.
304 , 321 who knows., It's not titanium as it’s gone golden.
But the manifold has to take WAY more heat than after the cats so some thing more heat resistance.
Go put a magnet on most SS things in the kitchen they don’t stick bar knives , well at my house, quite amazing really.

I have a few cars with Ti parts of exhausts, and they are miles off that colour esp the heat a manifold will get.

Not may people seem to say what they use these days, my cats on my cargraphic manifolds are 304 though as an example and that’s non magnetic.

My other car has oem ti and my GT3 has the same manifold non magnetic part as your WP RS, but I have a Ti rear end which has gone blue at the bends.

So 304 SS best guess.

[Melvynr]

Porsche911R said:

I also find it impossible in a 3 pedal car to left foot brake to any level which would be an advantage, but on a PDK car very easy to to just have a foot on each pedal.
But I don’t call that left foot braking if you get what I mean.

Again To Drive A Manual Car Is Very Demanding And Takes A Lot More Planning, Skill And Effort And Thus Far More Rewarding As A Hobby Imo. It's Not Just Dipping A Clutch Like Some One Has Stated.
Quite A Lot Has To Be Done Pre Corner In A Manual Car Vs A Automatic Car.

I am much faster driving an auto and I think that's why people do like them today, far easier to go fast with little effort or thought processing.

You just choose stop or go and every thing else is done for you if you know the lines.
While the USA love manuals, here in the UK not so much.

Threshold braking is imo the next main skill to practice and master for improved lap times, be it manual or PDK cars.

Something very over looked but imo the most important skill which sets apart the faster driver from the ave driver.

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 21st June 11:21

Again To Drive A Manual Car Is Very Demanding And Takes A Lot More Planning, Skill And Effort And Thus Far More Rewarding As A Hobby Imo. It's Not Just Dipping A Clutch Like Some One Has Stated.
Quite A Lot Has To Be Done Pre Corner In A Manual Car Vs A Automatic Car.


It is just dipping the clutch in the 991.2, you dont have to lift off throttle changing up and auto blips the throttle changing down, i dont think you can "money shift"with the box as its rev protected.
As far as more planning is concerned as you put it, you select the gear before you go into a corner and never shift a manual in mid corner , PDK you can as it won't upset the car .That is the only difference.
Am guessing 100 per cent have taken there driving test in a manual car against automatic , get off your high horse about manuals being a drivers car.

[Porsche911R]

Melvynr said:

Again To Drive A Manual Car Is Very Demanding And Takes A Lot More Planning, Skill And Effort And Thus Far More Rewarding As A Hobby Imo. It's Not Just Dipping A Clutch Like Some One Has Stated.
Quite A Lot Has To Be Done Pre Corner In A Manual Car Vs A Automatic Car.


It is just dipping the clutch in the 991.2, you dont have to lift off throttle changing up and auto blips the throttle changing down, i dont think you can "money shift"with the box as its rev protected.
As far as more planning is concerned as you put it, you select the gear before you go into a corner and never shift a manual in mid corner , PDK you can as it won't upset the car .That is the only difference.
Am guessing 100 per cent have taken there driving test in a manual car against automatic , get off your high horse about manuals being a drivers car.

It’s a shame you don't understand advanced driving techniques or know anything about the Manual GT3 or how and over rev happens.
Or that the PDK have a e-diff and different RWS calibration all to make it easier to drive.

I also said I am faster in a Auto over a Manual so not sure why it upsets you so much. It’s just a fact of driving both cars.

So let’s leave it there as it's lost of deft ears atm.

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 21st June 21:17

[hunter 66]

The current manual GT3 is a fully automatic , electronically control tool where you need to very little baring "dip the clutch " Drive a GT car without ABS to see a true challenge ...
Anyway this discussion is a bit pointless , as everyone has their own needs and dreams

Edited by hunter 66 on Sunday 21st June 21:22

[Melvynr]

Porsche911R said:

It’s a shame you don't understand advanced driving techniques or know anything about the Manual GT3 or how and over rev happens.
Or that the PDK have a e-diff and different RWS calibration all to make it easier to drive.

I also said I am faster in a Auto over a Manual so not sure why it upsets you so much. It’s just a fact of driving both cars.

So let’s leave it there as it's lost of deft ears atm.

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 21st June 21:17

Advanced driving techniques, to drive a manual car.You're a stunner.BYE BYE