GT3 / 3RS / Touring
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Porsche911R said:
isaldiri said:
Ignorance truly is bliss I see.......
I don't know bends name on the ring, so yes, I cannot even name a bend on my local track ! But some people had better get over to Manthey and start training their drivers it seems !
Yes, Manthey should train that specific driver: Compare the Manthey line to Kevin Estre's during his GT3RS record lap in the video (at bottom of the page) from 05:03 onwards: https://newsroom.porsche.com/de/produkte/porsche-9...
Kevin uses the curbs and beyond on entry into Brünnchen to carry max speed. He then moves back keeping the car fully on the left before turning into the right-hander. Now compare this with the Manthey driver...
Purple Man said:
What is TTX? can you please enlighten me??
Ohlins ttx suspension. It's not quite so simple though as you need someone who knows what's he's doing to setup said suspension properly (spring/valving/damper settings etc).... That's the real benefit of the Manthey KWs, they have been tested and setup by people who definitely know what they are doing.
Manthey do run a softer setup for the ring, and on normal tracks not many people like the set up.
in one of my cars I have been given 2 set ups from the factory race team on set up, a ring one and a smooth track one.
Manthey was 9.3k euro's for KW and setup.
JCRacing will setup a UK car with TTX, I think he did a 2.13 at Silverstone in his .1 GT3 RS.
or yes A-workx in Germany.
but you need to be already doing sub 2.20 laps imo at Silverstone to warrant the spend.
https://www.jcr-developments.com/porsche/product/9...
in one of my cars I have been given 2 set ups from the factory race team on set up, a ring one and a smooth track one.
Manthey was 9.3k euro's for KW and setup.
JCRacing will setup a UK car with TTX, I think he did a 2.13 at Silverstone in his .1 GT3 RS.
or yes A-workx in Germany.
but you need to be already doing sub 2.20 laps imo at Silverstone to warrant the spend.
https://www.jcr-developments.com/porsche/product/9...
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 4th June 11:56
Porsche911R said:
https://youtu.be/2_QcQS0gVsk
no lacking PPF engine sounds either, these sound the bomb.
Some great tree shots in that video.no lacking PPF engine sounds either, these sound the bomb.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 3rd June 14:03
Nuttcase said:
Porsche911R said:
https://youtu.be/2_QcQS0gVsk
no lacking PPF engine sounds either, these sound the bomb.
Some great tree shots in that video.no lacking PPF engine sounds either, these sound the bomb.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 3rd June 14:03
Great thread.
in my humble opinion
-best value would be a 991.2 GT3 clubsport (also the one that will lead itself best to future mods) - stick or slush, your choice.
-best out of the box track car the 991.2 GT3 RS.
-worst value for sure the 991.2 GT3 touring, but it does appeal to many, but only available in 2nd production run, so low numbers, thus silly values.
i ticked the 'touring' option box from new - love mine - use it quite a lot, damn the future values, life too short. it works as a daily, comfortable enough to drive to circuit, strong enough to lap all day, and then drive home afterwards. to me it's a modern day 964RS. and i have one of those in the garage also for short sharp kicks !
all i will say in the touring's defense (why oh why do i find myself repeatedly having to do this, i will never learn) is that when i have tracked mine (at Spa, Nordschiefe and Silverstone) i have never found it lacking, and if you can pedal (clearly that is a given with your experience) you'll be one of the fastest cars on the circuit even on an RMA day (excluding most race cars on slicks etc). even at the BRDC members day at Silverstone last year it didn't disgrace itself.
anyway a fun conundrum to have, thanks for sharing.
in my humble opinion
-best value would be a 991.2 GT3 clubsport (also the one that will lead itself best to future mods) - stick or slush, your choice.
-best out of the box track car the 991.2 GT3 RS.
-worst value for sure the 991.2 GT3 touring, but it does appeal to many, but only available in 2nd production run, so low numbers, thus silly values.
i ticked the 'touring' option box from new - love mine - use it quite a lot, damn the future values, life too short. it works as a daily, comfortable enough to drive to circuit, strong enough to lap all day, and then drive home afterwards. to me it's a modern day 964RS. and i have one of those in the garage also for short sharp kicks !
all i will say in the touring's defense (why oh why do i find myself repeatedly having to do this, i will never learn) is that when i have tracked mine (at Spa, Nordschiefe and Silverstone) i have never found it lacking, and if you can pedal (clearly that is a given with your experience) you'll be one of the fastest cars on the circuit even on an RMA day (excluding most race cars on slicks etc). even at the BRDC members day at Silverstone last year it didn't disgrace itself.
anyway a fun conundrum to have, thanks for sharing.
Porsche911R said:
Manthey do run a softer setup for the ring, and on normal tracks not many people like the set up.
in one of my cars I have been given 2 set ups from the factory race team on set up, a ring one and a smooth track one.
Set-up for the Ring is always softer than for a smooth track to maintain traction on the many bumpy sections.in one of my cars I have been given 2 set ups from the factory race team on set up, a ring one and a smooth track one.
seawise said:
Great thread.
in my humble opinion
-best value would be a 991.2 GT3 clubsport (also the one that will lead itself best to future mods) - stick or slush, your choice.
-best out of the box track car the 991.2 GT3 RS.
-worst value for sure the 991.2 GT3 touring, but it does appeal to many, but only available in 2nd production run, so low numbers, thus silly values.
i ticked the 'touring' option box from new - love mine - use it quite a lot, damn the future values, life too short. it works as a daily, comfortable enough to drive to circuit, strong enough to lap all day, and then drive home afterwards. to me it's a modern day 964RS. and i have one of those in the garage also for short sharp kicks !
all i will say in the touring's defense (why oh why do i find myself repeatedly having to do this, i will never learn) is that when i have tracked mine (at Spa, Nordschiefe and Silverstone) i have never found it lacking, and if you can pedal (clearly that is a given with your experience) you'll be one of the fastest cars on the circuit even on an RMA day (excluding most race cars on slicks etc). even at the BRDC members day at Silverstone last year it didn't disgrace itself.
anyway a fun conundrum to have, thanks for sharing.
Agree...in my humble opinion
-best value would be a 991.2 GT3 clubsport (also the one that will lead itself best to future mods) - stick or slush, your choice.
-best out of the box track car the 991.2 GT3 RS.
-worst value for sure the 991.2 GT3 touring, but it does appeal to many, but only available in 2nd production run, so low numbers, thus silly values.
i ticked the 'touring' option box from new - love mine - use it quite a lot, damn the future values, life too short. it works as a daily, comfortable enough to drive to circuit, strong enough to lap all day, and then drive home afterwards. to me it's a modern day 964RS. and i have one of those in the garage also for short sharp kicks !
all i will say in the touring's defense (why oh why do i find myself repeatedly having to do this, i will never learn) is that when i have tracked mine (at Spa, Nordschiefe and Silverstone) i have never found it lacking, and if you can pedal (clearly that is a given with your experience) you'll be one of the fastest cars on the circuit even on an RMA day (excluding most race cars on slicks etc). even at the BRDC members day at Silverstone last year it didn't disgrace itself.
anyway a fun conundrum to have, thanks for sharing.
I would have ticked Touring from new, but wing if buying s/h at today's values. Also agree that it's fast enough to keep up, because of the exaggerated skills of most track drivers, and the exaggerated downforce benefits of road car wings!
seawise said:
Great thread.
in my humble opinion
-best value would be a 991.2 GT3 clubsport (also the one that will lead itself best to future mods) - stick or slush, your choice.
-best out of the box track car the 991.2 GT3 RS.
-worst value for sure the 991.2 GT3 touring, but it does appeal to many, but only available in 2nd production run, so low numbers, thus silly values.
i ticked the 'touring' option box from new - love mine - use it quite a lot, damn the future values, life too short. it works as a daily, comfortable enough to drive to circuit, strong enough to lap all day, and then drive home afterwards. to me it's a modern day 964RS. and i have one of those in the garage also for short sharp kicks !
all i will say in the touring's defense (why oh why do i find myself repeatedly having to do this, i will never learn) is that when i have tracked mine (at Spa, Nordschiefe and Silverstone) i have never found it lacking, and if you can pedal (clearly that is a given with your experience) you'll be one of the fastest cars on the circuit even on an RMA day (excluding most race cars on slicks etc). even at the BRDC members day at Silverstone last year it didn't disgrace itself.
anyway a fun conundrum to have, thanks for sharing.
I can't say I'm not tempted by a Touring, especially if I could have it do to both European errands and track days. I'd have to be happy with compromising on tyres (or run two sets of wheels, I suppose) since Cup 2 Rs probably aren't the best choice for torrential Normandy rain, and I'd have to leave the geometry and suspension alone - no car I've ever owned with a proper track set up was any fun to drive on the road.in my humble opinion
-best value would be a 991.2 GT3 clubsport (also the one that will lead itself best to future mods) - stick or slush, your choice.
-best out of the box track car the 991.2 GT3 RS.
-worst value for sure the 991.2 GT3 touring, but it does appeal to many, but only available in 2nd production run, so low numbers, thus silly values.
i ticked the 'touring' option box from new - love mine - use it quite a lot, damn the future values, life too short. it works as a daily, comfortable enough to drive to circuit, strong enough to lap all day, and then drive home afterwards. to me it's a modern day 964RS. and i have one of those in the garage also for short sharp kicks !
all i will say in the touring's defense (why oh why do i find myself repeatedly having to do this, i will never learn) is that when i have tracked mine (at Spa, Nordschiefe and Silverstone) i have never found it lacking, and if you can pedal (clearly that is a given with your experience) you'll be one of the fastest cars on the circuit even on an RMA day (excluding most race cars on slicks etc). even at the BRDC members day at Silverstone last year it didn't disgrace itself.
anyway a fun conundrum to have, thanks for sharing.
You sound as though you think it's a perfectly sensible proposition for touring (clue, I suppose, in the name) as well as track work. An earlier poster thought Tourings were too noisy for long-distance work (I don't care if I'm driving to a circuit, but if I'm doing 600 miles in 24 hours to talk to a French builder, I very much do care).
I'm going to have to drive one, I suppose. Which makes it even more of a PITA that they've become over-valued garage queens, so I have to find a dealer that's not precious about it. And then not buy it from them, because you can get left-hooker Tourings for EUR 150K, which seems a bit more reasonable than the UK's £175k for a two-year-old car that listed at £130k at most.
I am going to try an Exige Cup 430 too. Just to see. I'm still drawn to the idea of something that's completely track-specific. And I'll get Ollie to let me try his .2RS to complete the set.
And then I'll come back here with the same conundrum and you can all take the mick when I stop faffing about and buy this https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/106816/p... or something like it instead, and spend the change on a trailer and spares and engine rebuilds and gearbox rebuilds and tyres and telemetry and a mechanic and replacing all my kit with stuff that hasn't been lifed out for 15 years and race entry fees and oh god here we go again.
My wife will not be happy.
964Cup said:
I can't say I'm not tempted by a Touring, especially if I could have it do to both European errands and track days. I'd have to be happy with compromising on tyres (or run two sets of wheels, I suppose) since Cup 2 Rs probably aren't the best choice for torrential Normandy rain, and I'd have to leave the geometry and suspension alone - no car I've ever owned with a proper track set up was any fun to drive on the road.
You sound as though you think it's a perfectly sensible proposition for touring (clue, I suppose, in the name) as well as track work. An earlier poster thought Tourings were too noisy for long-distance work (I don't care if I'm driving to a circuit, but if I'm doing 600 miles in 24 hours to talk to a French builder, I very much do care).
I'm going to have to drive one, I suppose. Which makes it even more of a PITA that they've become over-valued garage queens, so I have to find a dealer that's not precious about it. And then not buy it from them, because you can get left-hooker Tourings for EUR 150K, which seems a bit more reasonable than the UK's £175k for a two-year-old car that listed at £130k at most.
Purely subjectively I would say the Touring was quieter than the 991.2 GT3 CS. This may be due to different tyres CS was on Cup2 and the Touring on Dunlop, or maybe less resonance and or NVH due to loss of cage. 600 miles in 24 hours would be just fine in a Touring, the cabin is a nice place to be. And the 90L tank would be a bonus if you go LHD.You sound as though you think it's a perfectly sensible proposition for touring (clue, I suppose, in the name) as well as track work. An earlier poster thought Tourings were too noisy for long-distance work (I don't care if I'm driving to a circuit, but if I'm doing 600 miles in 24 hours to talk to a French builder, I very much do care).
I'm going to have to drive one, I suppose. Which makes it even more of a PITA that they've become over-valued garage queens, so I have to find a dealer that's not precious about it. And then not buy it from them, because you can get left-hooker Tourings for EUR 150K, which seems a bit more reasonable than the UK's £175k for a two-year-old car that listed at £130k at most.
2010spy said:
I’ve got a 992 Turbo on order, and my wife thinks I should sell the Touring to pay for it! I’ve tried to explain that they are different cars but not going down well so far!
I wonder what most people would choose. 2018 Touring or 2020 Turbo?!
I sold a 991.2GT3 CS for a LHD Touring and a Macan diesel for a 991.2 turbo S. Summer and winter runs to the Alps in a 911 both sorted. I wonder what most people would choose. 2018 Touring or 2020 Turbo?!
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