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That red car at Evo dealer has been listed at least since January if it matches the info below that dealer sent me back then. No idea why it hasn't sold as it looks great:
"Reg number is PX59 RWF. Full dealer history with 5 stamps in the book but not all paperwork receipts. 2 Previous Owners"
With a bit shaved off the price it looks like alot of Porsche for money when you consider a gen 2 manual 997S's with that mileage are fetching near twice that.
"Reg number is PX59 RWF. Full dealer history with 5 stamps in the book but not all paperwork receipts. 2 Previous Owners"
With a bit shaved off the price it looks like alot of Porsche for money when you consider a gen 2 manual 997S's with that mileage are fetching near twice that.
Late to this discussion. I'd recommend you drive both, the 7 Cayman and a 7.2 911 to see what you prefer in terms of experience - and they are quite different. Both are brilliant cars.
I do prefer the 7 Cayman over the 981s (bar GT4) as they are super agile and even more playful. The 997 feels more "substantial" in comparison but the rear-engined balance engages like little else.
Check out both to see what floats your boat - and whether the premium of a 997 is warranted over the 987. Can't go wrong with either as long as they are manual and RWD (for the 997s)
I do prefer the 7 Cayman over the 981s (bar GT4) as they are super agile and even more playful. The 997 feels more "substantial" in comparison but the rear-engined balance engages like little else.
Check out both to see what floats your boat - and whether the premium of a 997 is warranted over the 987. Can't go wrong with either as long as they are manual and RWD (for the 997s)
anonymous said:
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Yes, I can't recall what it was but I didn't follow it up also considering I'd have to fly from Nth Ireland to see it When I checked the MOT history it looked like the same owner had it up until 2018 and put a steady 3k a year on. Then it jumped in 2019 and they had emissions fails twice within a few days trying get her passed. No idea what that indicates? I did wonder if new owner had it chipped or something and fitted an LSD as I think others mentioned that it's not a common factory option.
The emissions fail could be anything and I'd be checking if the LSD was factory in the first instance. I'd still try to look at it if it's easy to do.
Edited by Andyoz on Monday 6th July 10:20
Edited by Andyoz on Monday 6th July 10:21
I think ongoing running costs need to be considered just as much as the entry price.
I was always under the impression the Cayman is generally cheaper to maintain than 911 but could be wrong? Cayman seems easier to work on in some respects anyway. The Cayman has access cover behind the seats (as well as top cover) that gets you to the belt, tensioners, water pump, PS pump, etc.
I was always under the impression the Cayman is generally cheaper to maintain than 911 but could be wrong? Cayman seems easier to work on in some respects anyway. The Cayman has access cover behind the seats (as well as top cover) that gets you to the belt, tensioners, water pump, PS pump, etc.
dunc_sx said:
Can't help too much but I'd go Cayman over 997 if it was my decision, unless you need back seats for kids?
I went from 987S to 997S and I'm now looking to go back again, if anyone fancies a swap let me know
Dunc.
That's interesting. What was the main reason, agility, etc?I went from 987S to 997S and I'm now looking to go back again, if anyone fancies a swap let me know
Dunc.
Andyoz said:
That's interesting. What was the main reason, agility, etc?
Yeah just not getting on with the handling, front end turn in and braking aren't great imo. I find the front locks up way before what I would expect from a sporty car and the front is super vague and isn't very pointy. I know some people like the characteristics of the 997S so I did have the standard "try both and see what you get on with" message to the OP on my previous post but had a few technical issues and lost that part (plus some other details).
Engine and rest is fine but the rear seats are just wasted space in my case.
Wanted to try one though and getting more used to the looks the longer I have it.
Dunc.
dunc_sx said:
Yeah just not getting on with the handling, front end turn in and braking aren't great imo. I find the front locks up way before what I would expect from a sporty car and the front is super vague and isn't very pointy.
The rear-engined layout is by definition not very pointy as long as you have a balanced set-up. You need to trail brake to get the most out of the weigh balance. By doing so you shift weight to the front tires which adds breaking and turn inHi Dr S, appreciate the input.
I've got a reasonable understanding of weight transfer from racing but I think it's just not for me, for example when not braking or lifting for a corner the front end isn't happy (60mph going into a 60mph corner for example)
Also to be honest on the road I'm not always up for late braking/committing heavy into corners, 997 just feels a bit awkward if you're not.
Cayman's are more fun more of the time for me, I'm not claiming to be an expert reviewer or anything - it's just an opinion
Dunc.
Edit: Just thought I'd add in that handling is my main concern with cars as it's where I get my enjoyment - Acceleration and power etc doesn't float my boat that much which may go someway to explaining my opinions.
I've got a reasonable understanding of weight transfer from racing but I think it's just not for me, for example when not braking or lifting for a corner the front end isn't happy (60mph going into a 60mph corner for example)
Also to be honest on the road I'm not always up for late braking/committing heavy into corners, 997 just feels a bit awkward if you're not.
Cayman's are more fun more of the time for me, I'm not claiming to be an expert reviewer or anything - it's just an opinion
Dunc.
Edit: Just thought I'd add in that handling is my main concern with cars as it's where I get my enjoyment - Acceleration and power etc doesn't float my boat that much which may go someway to explaining my opinions.
Edited by dunc_sx on Tuesday 7th July 15:10
So, I bought a Porsche. I found some extra cash down the back of the sofa and bought a 2009 997.2 Carrera S manual coupe. Just thought you get a lot of power for the money, just 11 bhp less than a 718 GTS 4.0 which sounds like a great car but is more than double the price. At least the C2S did have 385 bhp at one time! Also I liked the hydrolic steering, less engine issues and back seats, which have proven very useful for transporting my girlfriend and my newly arrived daughter. And IKEA stuff. Oh yes, this is our only car at the moment!
Made all the classic mistakes when I bought the car, but it's the first car I've ever bought and at least I learnt from this experience! Saw the car in the showroom and kept thinking about it for weeks until I broke and just bought it.
Definitely bought with my heart rather than my head but it hasn't turned out too badly. Didn't really test drive it thouroughly enough. Didn't get a PPI. The only problem is the transmission (only!). 1st and 2nd gear are pretty difficult to get in when the car is cold. The garage the dealer uses to check their cars over before they are sold didn't think they were too bad. I feel the car was reasonibly priced and if I do need to get the gearbox rebuilt at some point it's not the end of the world and at least I'll know it's been done and shouldn't need to be done again for a while. They did change out the transmission oil which has helped a bit. Better the devil you know!
Thanks all for your help.
Made all the classic mistakes when I bought the car, but it's the first car I've ever bought and at least I learnt from this experience! Saw the car in the showroom and kept thinking about it for weeks until I broke and just bought it.
Definitely bought with my heart rather than my head but it hasn't turned out too badly. Didn't really test drive it thouroughly enough. Didn't get a PPI. The only problem is the transmission (only!). 1st and 2nd gear are pretty difficult to get in when the car is cold. The garage the dealer uses to check their cars over before they are sold didn't think they were too bad. I feel the car was reasonibly priced and if I do need to get the gearbox rebuilt at some point it's not the end of the world and at least I'll know it's been done and shouldn't need to be done again for a while. They did change out the transmission oil which has helped a bit. Better the devil you know!
Thanks all for your help.
You didn’t buy the car from Invictus motors by any chance did you? I saw your name as Douglas on your other post looking for a roof system and noted from their Instagram feed that a Douglas bought a 2009 car from them. The reason for asking is that I looked at that car when it was being sold privately and had a deal with the seller but got gazumped by the garage. I couldn’t blame him for selling to them as they were offering more. I did get a thorough PPI for it though and happy to share it with you if you’d like. There were a couple of things that needed doing but overall it was a good car. It has a short shift on it which explains the notchiness when cold. I think you can take this off if you wanted which might resolve the problem.
Anyway let me know if you would like the PPI.
Thanks
Anyway let me know if you would like the PPI.
Thanks
It was! Apologies, I wasn’t told anyone else had offered. I’m terrible at negotiating so I just paid what he was asking.
I didn’t realise it had a short shift on it. Nobody told me! I’ve read that short shifters can be a bit notchy. Any idea why that is? The car really doesn’t like going in to 1st unless you’re practically at a a stand still. Perhaps this is how I should be shifting anyway, but I figure it has synchro rings for 1st, like all the other gears, so it should be able shift in to 1st when I’m going under, say, 20 mph.
Sports exhaust still isn’t working, I’m taking it in to AMS for them to look at next week. I’m also going to get a few things like new floor mats as the drivers side was ruined and getting stuck under the clutch and a new fuel cap. Minor things.
Still haven’t driven it enough. Hard with a brand new baby. Can’t wait to drive some nice roads and take it to a track for some tuition.
I didn’t realise it had a short shift on it. Nobody told me! I’ve read that short shifters can be a bit notchy. Any idea why that is? The car really doesn’t like going in to 1st unless you’re practically at a a stand still. Perhaps this is how I should be shifting anyway, but I figure it has synchro rings for 1st, like all the other gears, so it should be able shift in to 1st when I’m going under, say, 20 mph.
Sports exhaust still isn’t working, I’m taking it in to AMS for them to look at next week. I’m also going to get a few things like new floor mats as the drivers side was ruined and getting stuck under the clutch and a new fuel cap. Minor things.
Still haven’t driven it enough. Hard with a brand new baby. Can’t wait to drive some nice roads and take it to a track for some tuition.
Don’t worry about it! It was for sale privately and that is when I saw it and had a deal on it. Invictus gazumped me and then put it up for sale. They have bought quite a lot of private cars and then sold them on. The short shift just sticks when cold for first gear but nothing wrong with it. Yes the sports exhaust was one of the issues. The actuators are stuck. It is quite a common issue and depending on how bad they are can be fixed without too much bother. The other thing that needed doing was the fuel pump and battery. Not sure if they did this before they sold it. Happy to let you see PPI. If you PM me your email address I’ll send to you. I also found the previous owner on another forum and he originally bought the car from Camerons. He looked after it well. I am still looking for a 997.2 manual and have looked at a few. This one was a good one! BTW it was Porsche Inspections that did PPI - very good they were too.
I think they may have put a new battery in. I can’t remember. I’ll check tomorrow. They did say there might be a problem with the starter motor, but it’s been okay for me so far.
I was told there was some sort of timing/misfire issue when Invictus bought the car, although not the kind that can damage the pistons. They replaced a valve solenoid as they prepped it for sale. I don’t see anything about the fuel pump though.
It’s very nice to hear other people think it’s a good car, I have to say!
I was told there was some sort of timing/misfire issue when Invictus bought the car, although not the kind that can damage the pistons. They replaced a valve solenoid as they prepped it for sale. I don’t see anything about the fuel pump though.
It’s very nice to hear other people think it’s a good car, I have to say!
Yes the PPI found some fault codes which showed low pressure on the fuel pump when starting. This was causing the issue when starting - together with the poor battery. Fuel pumps on the 997.2 are quite a common issue.
Anyway it’s all in the PPI - which is a good 20 or so pages long with photos. As I say, just PM me your email address and I’ll send across.
Thanks
Anyway it’s all in the PPI - which is a good 20 or so pages long with photos. As I say, just PM me your email address and I’ll send across.
Thanks
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