992 GT3 finished and no cammo.
Discussion
Steve Rance said:
A fixed carbon bucket will be fine for me thank you. No heating, leather or stitching options thank you very much.
Merc and BMW always use Carbon Reacro Pole's. Porsche seem to want to redesign the seat every model.My DTM is very special and uses the correct seats and has 3 way passives as standard. BMW know how to throw the book at the top models.
That looks nice. The 996 GT3CS was Porsche's version of a propper Club sport driving tool. Built to drive to the race track and race it. Lightweight buckets etc. It wasn't as stripped out as the 964/993 RS Clubsports before but Hardcore drivers forgave it that for the motorsport hardware that the car had. Then the 6RS came along and went a little way towards the old C/S models but had scope to lose a lot more weight. Since then to be honest, the RS has become a bit of a nonsense, morphing into a car designed to be all things to all drivers. Surely thats what the vanilla GT3 should be. The RS should be something far more focussed than the car that it's become. I think that Porsche have really lost their way with the RS models. Someone may argue that perhaps there should be a super lightweight RS version - but that is exactly what the RS should be anyway. It wont be a popular veiw on this forum.
Steve Rance said:
That looks nice. The 996 GT3CS was Porsche's version of a propper Club sport driving tool. Built to drive to the race track and race it. Lightweight buckets etc. It wasn't as stripped out as the 964/993 RS Clubsports before but Hardcore drivers forgave it that for the motorsport hardware that the car had. Then the 6RS came along and went a little way towards the old C/S models but had scope to lose a lot more weight. Since then to be honest, the RS has become a bit of a nonsense, morphing into a car designed to be all things to all drivers. Surely thats what the vanilla GT3 should be. The RS should be something far more focussed than the car that it's become. I think that Porsche have really lost their way with the RS models. Someone may argue that perhaps there should be a super lightweight RS version - but that is exactly what the RS should be anyway. It wont be a popular veiw on this forum.
I agree the RS models are a bit naff for a RS model and today weigh more than the standard model !, but still class leading in the field today still lapping faster than the new 765LT even !Porsche you have to buy a stock model, drive it to A-workx in Germany and spend £30k on it. And in an ideal world £50k and the modern buyers not going to do that. The RS to date has gone the LGBGT+ route, not sure what that means for the owners ;-)
The thing with any GT3 is the DNA is there to make it want you want it to be if you wish. Manthey are killing it and of course 51% Porsche owned so many routes to make a GT3 the car you WANT to own.
Steve Rance said:
That looks nice. The 996 GT3CS was Porsche's version of a propper Club sport driving tool. Built to drive to the race track and race it. Lightweight buckets etc. It wasn't as stripped out as the 964/993 RS Clubsports before but Hardcore drivers forgave it that for the motorsport hardware that the car had. Then the 6RS came along and went a little way towards the old C/S models but had scope to lose a lot more weight. Since then to be honest, the RS has become a bit of a nonsense, morphing into a car designed to be all things to all drivers. Surely thats what the vanilla GT3 should be. The RS should be something far more focussed than the car that it's become. I think that Porsche have really lost their way with the RS models. Someone may argue that perhaps there should be a super lightweight RS version - but that is exactly what the RS should be anyway. It wont be a popular veiw on this forum.
I think it’s a real shame they’ve lost the genuine lightweight ethos.....”add lightness”....I know Weissach pack etc is supposed to do that but it pays lip service to the principal. Imagine if they made a modern day Carrera Clubsport or 964 RS...the latter barely had any more power than a Carrera it was all about weight reduction, stiffening the shell and chassis improvement. Cheib said:
I think it’s a real shame they’ve lost the genuine lightweight ethos.....”add lightness”....I know Weissach pack etc is supposed to do that but it pays lip service to the principal. Imagine if they made a modern day Carrera Clubsport or 964 RS...the latter barely had any more power than a Carrera it was all about weight reduction, stiffening the shell and chassis improvement.
I think at the price these are at they cannot do it, all they can do is redesign the aero.when you buy a Pista and Ferrari knock 80kg out of a car you pay £280k for it a GT3 is £111k
My GT3 cocks a wheel on a bump so you can spin it, the chassis not moving. The engine's done, the 991.3 was aback step imo due to regs, the itb are hype imho and not true ITB's !
shame no WP for a normal winged GT3 which is already the lighest .1 GT3 they make anyway.
I worked out with really not much hassle you can drop 250lbs from a manual GT3 (inc the cage removal) and that's with out fitting RS carbon bonnet and plastic rear and side glass.
you could see a 1340 KG 991.2 manual GT3 imo.
Porsche911R said:
Merc and BMW always use Carbon Reacro Pole's. Porsche seem to want to redesign the seat every model.
My DTM is very special and uses the correct seats and has 3 way passives as standard. BMW know how to throw the book at the top models.
E92 GTS. Non-carbon Profi SPG XL's actually My DTM is very special and uses the correct seats and has 3 way passives as standard. BMW know how to throw the book at the top models.
The CRT did however use some very trick CF items franki68 said:
why has it got a manual gearbox and paddle shifters ?
Same weight but only 10bhp more ?
some odd stuff there.
The mule is defo a PDK.Same weight but only 10bhp more ?
some odd stuff there.
It only has two foot pedals... there is no clutch pedal - and on the dash you can see the shifter position indicator.
I think they've just put a longer lever on the selector, rather than the foil shaver head - because maybe that's what they'll offer as some people might shift with the selector in some situations rather than paddles that are rotating with the wheel rather than fixed on the column.
Porsche911R said:
Cheib said:
I think it’s a real shame they’ve lost the genuine lightweight ethos.....”add lightness”....I know Weissach pack etc is supposed to do that but it pays lip service to the principal. Imagine if they made a modern day Carrera Clubsport or 964 RS...the latter barely had any more power than a Carrera it was all about weight reduction, stiffening the shell and chassis improvement.
I think at the price these are at they cannot do it, all they can do is redesign the aero.when you buy a Pista and Ferrari knock 80kg out of a car you pay £280k for it a GT3 is £111k
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