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It does blow the mind people are still paying full or over retail money for a lot of these cars whether proper older rare or even 10 yr old fairly easily sourced stuff.
Having read the thoughts on this thread, I don't think I would buy a car via CC. If it was properly rare then yes perhaps as no other choice. But buying something like a 997s ot 997gts which are not difficult to find is beyond me.
I wonder how the auction model will fair if we hit a huge recession next year ?
Having read the thoughts on this thread, I don't think I would buy a car via CC. If it was properly rare then yes perhaps as no other choice. But buying something like a 997s ot 997gts which are not difficult to find is beyond me.
I wonder how the auction model will fair if we hit a huge recession next year ?
I think it's down to risk and pocket profile ...
I like buying cars from people so the relationship and feel is very important to me ... thankfully there are few cars that I would want to buy so if such a car was on CC, I would take the trouble to go and see it.
Good dealers are buying on CC, so they are obviously able to reconcile their risk / price calculation ...
I like buying cars from people so the relationship and feel is very important to me ... thankfully there are few cars that I would want to buy so if such a car was on CC, I would take the trouble to go and see it.
Good dealers are buying on CC, so they are obviously able to reconcile their risk / price calculation ...
ChrisW. said:
I think it's down to risk and pocket profile ...
I like buying cars from people so the relationship and feel is very important to me ... thankfully there are few cars that I would want to buy so if such a car was on CC, I would take the trouble to go and see it.
Good dealers are buying on CC, so they are obviously able to reconcile their risk / price calculation ...
Or buy the car cheap enough that they have enough margin to cover any issues that may arise?I like buying cars from people so the relationship and feel is very important to me ... thankfully there are few cars that I would want to buy so if such a car was on CC, I would take the trouble to go and see it.
Good dealers are buying on CC, so they are obviously able to reconcile their risk / price calculation ...
This seemed cheap for what it is. I'm a bit out the market at the mo.. but on the face of it that to me looked a bit of a bargain
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
I might be being a bit controversial here but if ever the term "caveat emptor" applied it's buying anything at an auction.
If the auction company makes it clear that bidders should satisfy themselves that the item on sale is as described and a bidder choses not to do that but instead decides to completely trust that the seller is honest and trustworthy then I have to ask if those people really understand the process in which they're partaking. If you've read the Ts &Cs then that's what they are and you've accepted them if you choose to bid and buy. If you haven't read them, well.........
You're buying the seller as much as the item on offer so any hint that they're not genuine, being vague or unresponsive would sound alarm bells for me and likely a sharp retreat.
If you want a guarantee buy from a dealer.
If the auction company makes it clear that bidders should satisfy themselves that the item on sale is as described and a bidder choses not to do that but instead decides to completely trust that the seller is honest and trustworthy then I have to ask if those people really understand the process in which they're partaking. If you've read the Ts &Cs then that's what they are and you've accepted them if you choose to bid and buy. If you haven't read them, well.........
You're buying the seller as much as the item on offer so any hint that they're not genuine, being vague or unresponsive would sound alarm bells for me and likely a sharp retreat.
If you want a guarantee buy from a dealer.
Voodoo Blue said:
I might be being a bit controversial here but if ever the term "caveat emptor" applied it's buying anything at an auction.
If the auction company makes it clear that bidders should satisfy themselves that the item on sale is as described and a bidder choses not to do that but instead decides to completely trust that the seller is honest and trustworthy then I have to ask if those people really understand the process in which they're partaking. If you've read the Ts &Cs then that's what they are and you've accepted them if you choose to bid and buy. If you haven't read them, well.........
You're buying the seller as much as the item on offer so any hint that they're not genuine, being vague or unresponsive would sound alarm bells for me and likely a sharp retreat.
If you want a guarantee buy from a dealer.
This. If the auction company makes it clear that bidders should satisfy themselves that the item on sale is as described and a bidder choses not to do that but instead decides to completely trust that the seller is honest and trustworthy then I have to ask if those people really understand the process in which they're partaking. If you've read the Ts &Cs then that's what they are and you've accepted them if you choose to bid and buy. If you haven't read them, well.........
You're buying the seller as much as the item on offer so any hint that they're not genuine, being vague or unresponsive would sound alarm bells for me and likely a sharp retreat.
If you want a guarantee buy from a dealer.
Surely if you buy from any auction without an inspection or report, whether or not there is any deliberate misrepresentation, you are knowingly taking a risk. If you have not factored in the potential cost of this risk then that’s your choice.
It’s clear you will not get the same level of assurance as buying from a dealer and different consumer law applies accordingly.
The nature of the model is clear if you don’t like it steer clear and shop elsewhere.
Doesn’t mean deliberate misrepresentation is acceptable and I would have thought it were in the interest of the auction house to root this out wherever it is proven.
Phooey said:
This seemed cheap for what it is. I'm a bit out the market at the mo.. but on the face of it that to me looked a bit of a bargain
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
with commission it comes in about £7K lower than comparable ones on AThttps://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
eg
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210220...
but the CC one has no evidence it comes with extended warranty so it is quite a good deal though its a but low rent the interior (by comparison), therefore I say its just an ok deal.
julian987R said:
with commission it comes in about £7K lower than comparable ones on AT
eg
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210220...
but the CC one has no evidence it comes with extended warranty so it is quite a good deal though its a but low rent the interior (by comparison), therefore I say its just an ok deal.
2 years warranty is nice. I thought the P warranty only worked on cars up to 12 years old. Surely next year it will be 12 and then what?eg
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210220...
but the CC one has no evidence it comes with extended warranty so it is quite a good deal though its a but low rent the interior (by comparison), therefore I say its just an ok deal.
ATM said:
julian987R said:
with commission it comes in about £7K lower than comparable ones on AT
eg
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210220...
but the CC one has no evidence it comes with extended warranty so it is quite a good deal though its a but low rent the interior (by comparison), therefore I say its just an ok deal.
2 years warranty is nice. I thought the P warranty only worked on cars up to 12 years old. Surely next year it will be 12 and then what?eg
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210220...
but the CC one has no evidence it comes with extended warranty so it is quite a good deal though its a but low rent the interior (by comparison), therefore I say its just an ok deal.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2010-porsche-9...
This is CC at its worse
On the face on it a car I’m tempted by - low mile 997.2 black on black, non sunroof, 4S, turbo alloys….
However
Described as “has evidently been well cared-for by its owner of the last 11 years”
Not been serviced in the last 6 1/2 years
Failed MOT 3 times in the last 8 years, 20+ advisories during the same period
Tyres are 7 and 8 years old
Described as paddle shift - non paddle steering wheel
Seller not responded to a single question
Does anyone know the car or owner ?
Much of the issues above could be explained away as an absent minded, busy owner - which I’m happy to buy from…..or a tight fisted collector being tricksy.
This is CC at its worse
On the face on it a car I’m tempted by - low mile 997.2 black on black, non sunroof, 4S, turbo alloys….
However
Described as “has evidently been well cared-for by its owner of the last 11 years”
Not been serviced in the last 6 1/2 years
Failed MOT 3 times in the last 8 years, 20+ advisories during the same period
Tyres are 7 and 8 years old
Described as paddle shift - non paddle steering wheel
Seller not responded to a single question
Does anyone know the car or owner ?
Much of the issues above could be explained away as an absent minded, busy owner - which I’m happy to buy from…..or a tight fisted collector being tricksy.
I’ve been watching this one just out of interest, clearly it’s not been looked after but is it really CC at its worse? I mean it is clearly advertised as not being serviced for 6 years and has a ropey history. Surely any buyer is reflecting that in their offer?
They’ve made no effort to hide the poor history, so buyer beware surely?
They’ve made no effort to hide the poor history, so buyer beware surely?
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I’ve been watching this one just out of interest, clearly it’s not been looked after but is it really CC at its worse? I mean it is clearly advertised as not being serviced for 6 years and has a ropey history. Surely any buyer is reflecting that in their offer?
They’ve made no effort to hide the poor history, so buyer beware surely?
Not to worry someone will complain. They’ve made no effort to hide the poor history, so buyer beware surely?
Wilmslowboy said:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2010-porsche-9...
This is CC at its worse
On the face on it a car I’m tempted by - low mile 997.2 black on black, non sunroof, 4S, turbo alloys….
However
Described as “has evidently been well cared-for by its owner of the last 11 years”
Not been serviced in the last 6 1/2 years
Failed MOT 3 times in the last 8 years, 20+ advisories during the same period
Tyres are 7 and 8 years old
Described as paddle shift - non paddle steering wheel
Seller not responded to a single question
Does anyone know the car or owner ?
Much of the issues above could be explained away as an absent minded, busy owner - which I’m happy to buy from…..or a tight fisted collector being tricksy.
They accept Bitcoin as payment, that tells you all you need to know. Beware. This is CC at its worse
On the face on it a car I’m tempted by - low mile 997.2 black on black, non sunroof, 4S, turbo alloys….
However
Described as “has evidently been well cared-for by its owner of the last 11 years”
Not been serviced in the last 6 1/2 years
Failed MOT 3 times in the last 8 years, 20+ advisories during the same period
Tyres are 7 and 8 years old
Described as paddle shift - non paddle steering wheel
Seller not responded to a single question
Does anyone know the car or owner ?
Much of the issues above could be explained away as an absent minded, busy owner - which I’m happy to buy from…..or a tight fisted collector being tricksy.
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I’ve been watching this one just out of interest, clearly it’s not been looked after but is it really CC at its worse? I mean it is clearly advertised as not being serviced for 6 years and has a ropey history. Surely any buyer is reflecting that in their offer?
They’ve made no effort to hide the poor history, so buyer beware surely?
CC as a format not as a company.They’ve made no effort to hide the poor history, so buyer beware surely?
Seller can ignore questions
And description not completely accurate
Not paddle shift and definitely not “ evidently been well cared-for by its owner of the last 11 years”
CC’s words.
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