The Collecting Cars Porsche thread…

[jakeb]

lol - and I thought it would be mistaken for Ashgood who have no rows of brick

Neither have stainless screws attaching the cladding though

[hornbaek]

At the launch in Sevilla a lot (read all) of the attendees moaned abort the hybrid setup of the car and the accompanying weight. This was the main reason why the 918 didn’t exactly fly off the shelf at the time of the launch. As we have become accustomed to hybrid versions of super cars interestingly, the 918 has regained a bit of its status as it’s hybrid setup is no longer that controversial. But it would be quite interesting to speculate what a pure ICE powered 918 would have been worth today. I lot more than a million pounds would be my guess. I still don’t get the car and would much rather go for a CGT as that doesn’t have an antiquated hybrid drivetrain to carry around and still sounds like a Tornado jet when going at full pelt down the Autobahn. The 918 Spider is more akin to a 100k Boxter Speedster with a weight penalty.

[Robbo66]

hornbaek said:

The 918 Spider is more akin to a 100k Boxter Speedster with a weight penalty.

True, never got them really.

[Cheib]

I think most people think the CGT will be worth a lot more than a 918 in the future. One of the things that has perhaps held the CGT values back was the stories about the cost of clutch replacement etc as maintenance costs used to hold back 959 prices. I think maintenance costs of Hybrid hypercars will make those maintenance costs look rather more reasonable in the future. I remember the former writer of the SSO column in Evo saying he sold his P1 because the house where he wanted to keep it was susceptible to power outages and a P1 has to be on charge 24/7….if the battery drains it’s a very,very expensive replacement battery.

[Slippydiff]

Cheib said:

I think most people think the CGT will be worth a lot more than a 918 in the future. One of the things that has perhaps held the CGT values back was the stories about the cost of clutch replacement etc as maintenance costs used to hold back 959 prices. I think maintenance costs of Hybrid hypercars will make those maintenance costs look rather more reasonable in the future. I remember the former writer of the SSO column in Evo saying he sold his P1 because the house where he wanted to keep it was susceptible to power outages and a P1 has to be on charge 24/7….if the battery drains it’s a very,very expensive replacement battery.

Back up generator with mains voltage drop sensing to kick it into action springs to mind, and let’s face it, it’s not as if it would even need to be a particularly high output item to drive whatever battery charger the P1 utilises.

[Beefmeister]

Slippydiff said:

Back up generator with mains voltage drop sensing to kick it into action springs to mind, and let’s face it, it’s not as if it would even need to be a particularly high output item to drive whatever battery charger the P1 utilises.

I know someone with a P1 who uses a Tesla Powerwall as its backup

[julian987R]

This looks like a rather rare and special modern Targa coming up for sale. looks lovely
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2015-porsche-9...

[isaldiri]

hornbaek said:

At the launch in Sevilla a lot (read all) of the attendees moaned abort the hybrid setup of the car and the accompanying weight. This was the main reason why the 918 didn’t exactly fly off the shelf at the time of the launch. As we have become accustomed to hybrid versions of super cars interestingly, the 918 has regained a bit of its status as it’s hybrid setup is no longer that controversial. But it would be quite interesting to speculate what a pure ICE powered 918 would have been worth today. I lot more than a million pounds would be my guess. I still don’t get the car and would much rather go for a CGT as that doesn’t have an antiquated hybrid drivetrain to carry around and still sounds like a Tornado jet when going at full pelt down the Autobahn. The 918 Spider is more akin to a 100k Boxter Speedster with a weight penalty.

I still think the 918 an awesome bit of kit. Just look at one on a ramp with body panels off - it really has superb build quality and was engineered to the nth degree. Yes it's probably 300kg heavier than the other large boxster but it is a different car not trying to be the same thing after all.

In some respects, what would have been the point of PAG making a 50-80kg lighter cgt with less cylinders in a pure ICE v8 918? The 959 was the platform that delivered various tech transfer to the 993 turbo years later - the 918 has far more chance of having transferable dna to later cars than the 980 which really is a bit of an oddity in the Porsche range.

[Slippydiff]

Beefmeister said:

Slippydiff said:

Back up generator with mains voltage drop sensing to kick it into action springs to mind, and let’s face it, it’s not as if it would even need to be a particularly high output item to drive whatever battery charger the P1 utilises.

I know someone with a P1 who uses a Tesla Powerwall as its backup

It ain't ground breaking rocket science, as lets face it, there are far more important things that require consistency of power supply in this world of ours

[DeuceDeuce]

julian987R said:

This looks like a rather rare and special modern Targa coming up for sale. looks lovely
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2015-porsche-9...

One of these came up last year around the same time. I was interested but the overall condition didn’t seem great and the vendor not too keen answering questions. I believe it went through as sold at c£75k although there’s no mention of it on the sold pages on Collecting Cars that I can see.

This car, to my eyes at least, looks in good shape. Hope the registration is included with the car.

[birdcage]

I like the look of this one, hard to see how you would get your money back from the initial build though. Hard to value?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1974-porsche-9...

[Slippydiff]

birdcage said:

I like the look of this one, hard to see how you would get your money back from the initial build though. Hard to value?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1974-porsche-9...

Oil leaks and the nyloc nuts securing the silencer brackets hanging on for grim death, hardly inspire confidence in an engine "rebuilt" only 800 miles ago.

[Wilmslowboy]

birdcage said:

I like the look of this one, hard to see how you would get your money back from the initial build though. Hard to value?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1974-porsche-9...

I like the colour of that.

In terms of value, mine is similar, RHD, paint not quite as good (I think), I'd suggest mine has a better rebuilt engine (by 9E including 2.7 RS-specification pistons and barrels cost circa £25k). All the original bits and 3 sets of wheels/ tyres - and was £50k

[Pyrolysis]

Another nice 997 about to go on collecting cars, love the black on tan. Manual too...

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2005-porsche-9...

[APOLO1]

hornbaek said:

At the launch in Sevilla a lot (read all) of the attendees moaned abort the hybrid setup of the car and the accompanying weight. This was the main reason why the 918 didn’t exactly fly off the shelf at the time of the launch. As we have become accustomed to hybrid versions of super cars interestingly, the 918 has regained a bit of its status as it’s hybrid setup is no longer that controversial. But it would be quite interesting to speculate what a pure ICE powered 918 would have been worth today. I lot more than a million pounds would be my guess. I still don’t get the car and would much rather go for a CGT as that doesn’t have an antiquated hybrid drivetrain to carry around and still sounds like a Tornado jet when going at full pelt down the Autobahn. The 918 Spider is more akin to a 100k Boxter Speedster with a weight penalty.

TBF, they the Factory Techs told us on the evening of one of the Sevilla drives that the 918s that they were using for the event were put back to just over 600bhp, from the 877. The reason being they had a lot of people flying in from all around the world to drive these cars that had various levels of experience I Agree it did not feel super fast, back then i had as a daily a lP700 this felt faster. However the actual customer cars were a completely different thing these had close to 1k bhp and 1400 Nms in HL mode, comfortably out running the other 2 hyper cars from Ferrari and Mac at the time. Its a shame that the 130Kg 4.7 V8 never found its way into a stand alone ICE car, what a car that would have been, the chap that builds the engines said it could reliably take way more than its just over 600bhp. Though it was said at the time that ICE engine cost alone would be 250k Eu.

Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 14th November 13:48

[TB993tt]

That table illustrates how Mclaren re wrote the Hypercar rules, the 720S has been tested 0-300kph in under 18s and the 765LT is faster still, Porsche have no answer to Mclaren's accelerative dominance they just carry on with their bean counting incremental improvements...... having said that at least they have beans to count !

[Onetrackmind]

Seems someone got a great deal on this low mileage 996 Turbo with Aero and X50 kit! https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2002-porsche-9...

[ChrisW.]

If you ignore the terrible turbo lag and brakes ... ?

[Slippydiff]

ChrisW. said:

If you ignore the terrible turbo lag and brakes ... ?

It’s the same engine install and mapping as the 996 GT2 Chris, and I don’t recall any owners or magazine reviews complaining of “terrible turbo lag” with them.
The only time either of my two examples displayed any kind of lag was if you put non -Super unleaded in them, or you spent to much time pottering around town/in traffic, then the adaptive ECU would pull the timing and generally soften the engine’s responses.

The latter could easily addressed by a couple of “pulls” encompassing 2nd and 3rd gears to the redline, this would see the ECU re-adapt and a return to normality.


What was noticeable however, was the more heat you got into the bigger turbos the quicker the throttle response they provided.

Truth be known, the factory mapping was sub-optimal, and a good remap enabled the onset of boost earlier, much more smoothly, and ultimately more of it higher in the rev range, all of which made the cars nicer (for which read easier) to drive (and a car that was already “no slouch”, ballistically quick)

The brakes are easily (though not particularly cheaply) fixed with the fitment of the six pot front calipers from the 996 Turbo S, Mk 2 996 GT3, or GT2 and the OE 350mm steel front discs along with 997 Turbo front pads, some braided lines and good quality brake fluid. Add Pagid RS29s or their modern equivalent, and their efficiency could be further transformed.

They’re not the most engaging or tactile car, especially when compared to a 996 GT2 or 3, but they’re still a very efficient weapon for traversing our blacktop at speed in all weathers.

[Onetrackmind]

Haha, I’ll take the bait - Not driven one with K27 turbos but there’s not a great deal of lag in the normal turbo. They spool from about 1800rpm. What lag there is, is part of the fun and character of the car - the slug of torque is great fun. The brakes were praised at the time and easily up to the job on the road - it’s a 20 yr old car though, remember. I think they’re a bit under assisted so they’re not the most confidence inspiring, albeit competent. The point is, it’s quite cheap!