Porsche Club EGM
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Does that not mean that it's not lost sight of it's core principles? That it's a car club.. that organises events for people? The bickering, forum sniping etc are all rather unnecessary. Not sure what I feel towards it now, apathy, nihilism?
The thing I first noticed about the PCGB forums is that everyone was very friendly, and as someone who spent their formative years trolling imageboards this stuck out as a nice change to me
, but that thread that got deleted had descended into some quite personal attacks I think. Sorta makes me think people were hiding behind a thin veneer of nice-ness. It would be nice to be able to re-read it however to make sure I wasn't overthinking/misinterpreting things, shame they didn't simply lock it.
The thing I first noticed about the PCGB forums is that everyone was very friendly, and as someone who spent their formative years trolling imageboards this stuck out as a nice change to me
, but that thread that got deleted had descended into some quite personal attacks I think. Sorta makes me think people were hiding behind a thin veneer of nice-ness. It would be nice to be able to re-read it however to make sure I wasn't overthinking/misinterpreting things, shame they didn't simply lock it. Rojibo said:
Does that not mean that it's not lost sight of it's core principles? That it's a car club.. that organises events for people? The bickering, forum sniping etc are all rather unnecessary. Not sure what I feel towards it now, apathy, nihilism?
The thing I first noticed about the PCGB forums is that everyone was very friendly, and as someone who spent their formative years trolling imageboards this stuck out as a nice change to me, but that thread that got deleted had descended into some quite personal attacks I think. Sorta makes me think people were hiding behind a thin veneer of nice-ness. It would be nice to be able to re-read it however to make sure I wasn't overthinking/misinterpreting things, shame they didn't simply lock it.
Porsche owners and club directors in stereotypical narcissistic behaviour shocker The thing I first noticed about the PCGB forums is that everyone was very friendly, and as someone who spent their formative years trolling imageboards this stuck out as a nice change to me
, but that thread that got deleted had descended into some quite personal attacks I think. Sorta makes me think people were hiding behind a thin veneer of nice-ness. It would be nice to be able to re-read it however to make sure I wasn't overthinking/misinterpreting things, shame they didn't simply lock it. I think a lot of it comes with the territory, unfortunately.
ChrisW. said:
Some changes will always be beneficial ... but as said already, there is an existing process to approve and manage change within the existing administration.
This EGM is about a small band exploiting a very outdated constitution in an attempt for that small number of members to appoint themselves to this task, in so doing, taking control of the whole operation.
Of course they could just stand for appointment to the Board in the normal way ... but they apparently prefer to park their tanks on the lawn.
Some good comments there chris,the board are not whiter than white,but its not been a easy time for anyone unless you are retired and loads of time on your hands to stir folk up! with input from club members change can be achieved, but not by a egm thats going to cost a fair sum of money better spent elsewhere.This EGM is about a small band exploiting a very outdated constitution in an attempt for that small number of members to appoint themselves to this task, in so doing, taking control of the whole operation.
Of course they could just stand for appointment to the Board in the normal way ... but they apparently prefer to park their tanks on the lawn.
Whats really amusing is the proposed board could not get on with each other when in power before,the club will be a better place with out all this nonsense.
Priorities do need to get back to the membership users, lets hope the good will prevail and the egm falls flat.
Yellow491 said:
ChrisW. said:
Some changes will always be beneficial ... but as said already, there is an existing process to approve and manage change within the existing administration.
This EGM is about a small band exploiting a very outdated constitution in an attempt for that small number of members to appoint themselves to this task, in so doing, taking control of the whole operation.
Of course they could just stand for appointment to the Board in the normal way ... but they apparently prefer to park their tanks on the lawn.
Some good comments there chris,the board are not whiter than white,but its not been a easy time for anyone unless you are retired and loads of time on your hands to stir folk up! with input from club members change can be achieved, but not by a egm thats going to cost a fair sum of money better spent elsewhere.This EGM is about a small band exploiting a very outdated constitution in an attempt for that small number of members to appoint themselves to this task, in so doing, taking control of the whole operation.
Of course they could just stand for appointment to the Board in the normal way ... but they apparently prefer to park their tanks on the lawn.
Whats really amusing is the proposed board could not get on with each other when in power before,the club will be a better place with out all this nonsense.
Priorities do need to get back to the membership users, lets hope the good will prevail and the egm falls flat.
Rojibo said:
I would have expected a case for/against to be presented, get all the dirty laundry out. But it is what it is. Some of the vitriol in the chat towards those raising grievances was rather out of order...
Tricky to do that when the current board are running the meeting, I think it should have been hosted by an independent party.Well it appears that three of the seven will be standing for the Board at the AGM, so there is some making up to do.
At least this is within the boundaries of intelligent process and it would be lovely if six months down the line we were all able to interact in a normal way.
If we can get over a BL**DY pandemic we can fix this Covid madness.
Maybe it's time to put in what we hope to get out of the club .... and get value for our membership fees !
At least this is within the boundaries of intelligent process and it would be lovely if six months down the line we were all able to interact in a normal way.
If we can get over a BL**DY pandemic we can fix this Covid madness.
Maybe it's time to put in what we hope to get out of the club .... and get value for our membership fees !
itsporker said:
To anyone contemplating leaving (or not joining) PCGB over this EGM issue, give it a try, the club is all about the local membership and this EGM fiasco is about one local region's gripes. Regarding some of the earlier comments about the club being a bit elitist, this may be true in some regions with a few 'mine is better than yours' types who want to bore you with lap times on track days, but they are a minority in my experience. Prior to joining, I thought that members were probably a bunch of 911 snobs so I didn't bother joining the club when I bought a 2010 Cayman in 2015. In 2017, I happened to go to a local car event where PCGB R2 (Scotland North) had a display of member's cars. 911s were a minority, with a good mix of Boxsters, 944, 968 etc. in attendance. Concluding that these were owned by people more like me, I decided to join up for a year and see how it went. What I found was that the active members locally were a great bunch (including the 911 owners!) and I became a regular attendee at local events. Still have not been to any national events, most are too far from home to attend without adding a couple of nights overnight stay to the costs. However I have been a regular attendee at the region's annual WOTY (Weekend of the Year) which typically sees a turnout of 40 to 50 members for a 2-3 night weekend away and have toured Northern Ireland in an event organised by the region. If you join and don't feel welcome, persevere with a couple more events and I am sure you will find acceptance by people that you do enjoy spending time with.
Just thought I would re-iterate my previous comment above. The EGM result was as expected and neither side shone through, but it is important to remember what you get out of the club at a local level. The people and the experiences that you can enjoy throughout the year is what being a club memvber is all about. The fact that the regions are like small clubs affiliated to a larger entity which organises national events, motorsport and the magazine is a bonus.In any organisation, be it a club or a business, there are always people at the grass roots that think people at the top haven't got a clue. Easy to say when you don't have the responsibility and all the facts. Yes, I too would question some of the current board's decisions and strategies, but these would be my opinions based on incomplete knowledge.
Hopefully the surviving board will now follow though with the commitment they have made to improving openness and communication (and not all one way).
Hi All
Sorry for dragging this up again. I was not aware that this took place at all. In fact I am shocked - I am on the cusp of renewing my membership with PCGB - I was a member up until the offspring came along and my 944 got forgotten for 5 or 6 years... I recently got the car recommissioned and back in action as a lockdown project now I want out again !!
I used to go to the meetings of R27 and from the start I was made feel more than welcome. The meetings were very informal friendly affairs where really important stuff got discussed like drives, shows and trackdays. All this would get organized with the statement "Well I was thinking" - "What do you all reckon" . If you had an idea for a day out then R27 would let you take the reigns and support you with organising - everybody would muck in and the next meeting would be "That was a great day out".
Stuff to do with the larger organisation was not really important although the Region Organiser at that time went on to become PCGB chairman but found it extremely difficult and looking back it was like entering Dantes Inferno for him. He ended up having to travel a lot over and back and all his time and energy went into this only for a handful of disgruntled characters to badmouth him. He had uncovered a few inconsistencies and irregularities and wanted answers which did not go down well so knives were out. I wasnt privvy to what went on at the time but the pressure and stress that man endured was inexcusable.
I am putting my name down once again for PCGB And like what was said above its the grass roots regions that matter most to me. I have had no contact with R27 in the last half decade but I have no doubt that the same ethos is still in place !!
Sorry for dragging this up again. I was not aware that this took place at all. In fact I am shocked - I am on the cusp of renewing my membership with PCGB - I was a member up until the offspring came along and my 944 got forgotten for 5 or 6 years... I recently got the car recommissioned and back in action as a lockdown project now I want out again !!
I used to go to the meetings of R27 and from the start I was made feel more than welcome. The meetings were very informal friendly affairs where really important stuff got discussed like drives, shows and trackdays. All this would get organized with the statement "Well I was thinking" - "What do you all reckon" . If you had an idea for a day out then R27 would let you take the reigns and support you with organising - everybody would muck in and the next meeting would be "That was a great day out".
Stuff to do with the larger organisation was not really important although the Region Organiser at that time went on to become PCGB chairman but found it extremely difficult and looking back it was like entering Dantes Inferno for him. He ended up having to travel a lot over and back and all his time and energy went into this only for a handful of disgruntled characters to badmouth him. He had uncovered a few inconsistencies and irregularities and wanted answers which did not go down well so knives were out. I wasnt privvy to what went on at the time but the pressure and stress that man endured was inexcusable.
I am putting my name down once again for PCGB And like what was said above its the grass roots regions that matter most to me. I have had no contact with R27 in the last half decade but I have no doubt that the same ethos is still in place !!
I’ve noticed that PCGB is now promoting Porsche lots that Collecting Cars have coming through.....how that is serving the membership I am not sure. Clearly it will be remunerative but for me it somehow is not what it should be about. So many members with so many great cars....they could do something far more creative with their Instagram feed.
Cheib said:
I’ve noticed that PCGB is now promoting Porsche lots that Collecting Cars have coming through.....how that is serving the membership I am not sure. Clearly it will be remunerative but for me it somehow is not what it should be about. So many members with so many great cars....they could do something far more creative with their Instagram feed.
It's just because CC have replaced the previous auction partner - Silverstone Classic Auctions?I agree it doesn't add much for most members so CC must be paying them for advertising.
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