Collecting cars 964RS

[harrisclassics]

Just to add one more thing..

The rs was inspected by porsche before I bought it and bought from a car dealer!

[ianmcg]

Cheib said:

I think the answer is that a lot of the cars advertised online like the cars that are at Sports Purpose, Hexagon etc in the £175k to £200k bracket just aren't selling. The Hexagon car must have been there for 18 months.

Cars need to be have have very good original condition (not painted), be a very desirable colour and/or be low mileage to get good money...and. of course, have a good history.

A nice clean RS with normal miles in say Red or Silver is I think a £150k car. RSVP's was exceptional condition and PTS. The Cheshire Sport Classics car was higher mileage and had been used properly and was at the stage where it needed painting. JZM sold a red one one last year which had been painted for £150k and RPM had one advertised for £155k which desperately needed painting and I don't think sold.

This is spot on.

Mine was the maritime Clubsport which was at GT classics for the whole of last year. It would have been in storage anyway so I was happy to leave it and Paul is a good guy. By the nature of Clubsports it's a narrow market and, as discussed in another thread which mentioned it, given the choice a regular lightweight is just better 90% of the time. It had been painted just before I bought it which was fine by me as meant it was perfect for the 12 years I had it but it definitely takes it out of the collector market and price bracket.

Ian

[Cheib]

harrisclassics said:

Just to add one more thing..

The rs was inspected by porsche before I bought it and bought from a car dealer!

Fair play to you. Sorry to read about the nightmare you’ve just had, no idea what the legal situation is if accident damage isn’t spotted by a PPI or not declared by a dealer ? I suppose on the PPI it’s all about the T’s and C’s...if it’s anything like a house survey the language is very much “to the best of our ability”

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Cheib said:

harrisclassics said:

Just to add one more thing..

The rs was inspected by porsche before I bought it and bought from a car dealer!

Fair play to you. Sorry to read about the nightmare you’ve just had, no idea what the legal situation is if accident damage isn’t spotted by a PPI or not declared by a dealer ? I suppose on the PPI it’s all about the T’s and C’s...if it’s anything like a house survey the language is very much “to the best of our ability”

Let's just hope everything you've been told was true harrisclassics. It's not unknown for people to try and make up stories on these very forums in order to try and talk a car's market value down and try and grab a bargain. They usually hang around and then come back under different usernames but their vocabulary, slang and posting style usually gives the game away for those in the know, whether they're claiming to drive a Focus RS, Cayman R or even a GT3-usually depends on the fake username I guess

Some have even been known to accuse a car of being a cut and shut (or two for the price of one) in order to distress the seller into getting rid cheap.

There's been a few over the years but they're usually easy to spot, you never know-there might even be one on this thread-which is a coincidence.

[seawise]

harrisclassics said:

Thank you for all your comments.

It was my car.

I bought it last year for £135k for my 40th, life savings spent on it.

It had been stored for years so needed a good going through, this turned into a mini restoration ..

Full repaint, brakes rebuilt, new tires, new seals, suspension stripped and cleaned...... the list goes on.

Ended up spending around £35k-£40k in the end on my dream car..

A house development and expanding business needed some extra cash flow so listed the RS on CC in good faith.

Half way though the auction someone from Italy emails CC and tells them it had a crash and was repaired by Porsche to the highest standards , I was told this and decided to remove the car from sale as I was under pressure to keep it live and needed time to digest what I had been told.

I then got a fair offer from ashgood and sold it to them.

I’ve lost a lot of money.

This has stressed me out and not been good for me.!!!

The car was matching numbers , confirmed on the COA from Porsche, the service book was a replacement hence the hand written engine number put that right.

Hope that clears everything up..

All I can say is the RS is immaculate! Like new condition, matching numbers and genuine Milage..

Someone will be getting a super car that owes me £165k ish..

All / most 964’s have history.

I was honest on this one and did the right thing to remove it and then sell it cheaper disclosing the fact it’s had history.

The end.

You are absolutely correct in pointing out that most '64 RS's have an interesting past - some modest and well repaired accident damage is hardly uncommon. Sorry the sale has been stressful, but you owned one of Porsche's finest cars and you'll always have those memories (says a man who in the distant past has owned, tracked, enjoyed, sold for buttons, various air-cooled RS's). I happen to think it looked a nice example and hope it goes to the home of an enthusiast.

[MDL111]

I would have thought pretty much all of them drive the same [the exception being shoddily repaired ones I guess], so from a pistonheads perspective it should really not matter all that much. Starting to sound like the modern Porsche threads where it is all about the "correct resale options" and stitching color...

[Yellow491]

MDL111]I would have thought pretty much all of them drive the same [the exception being shoddily repaired ones I guess said:

, so from a pistonheads perspective it should really not matter all that much. Starting to sound like the modern Porsche threads where it is all about the "correct resale options" and stitching color...

Good point
Trying to make a 964rs what its not meant to be,first paint,low miles,stone chips,odd accident,dear oh dear,a lot 64rs have been ragged to the moon and back,repaired,clocked etc etc. Just like 2.7rs.
Car assassination never ends well,hope the new owner enjoys it,harris sorry you have had a bad experience.Its happened before with a good friend with a very special st and so called top expert who did not know his onions!

[warrenbeese]

Guys, I ended up with the “Red” RS from Cheshire classics. Great previous owner and spent much time talking to him prior to doing the deal. He had bought it from TJS and drove it back to the UK so I’m the second UK owner (it had two previous owners in Germany). Original paint and about 120k clicks. No touching up done, I’m fine with that and I am using car quite a bit. I am so impressed, never had an older Porsche before, feels solid and everything works with no drama. A keeper for sure. Hope to see some of you guys around after the lifting of LD.

[ChrisW.]

I would agree with that ... having known the previous owner and the dealer selling it for many years.

Looking at some of the prices quoted on here I don't think the price at which it was advertised should in any way diminish the quality of that particular car.

I nearly bought it myself ... but went for a 944 TurboS Cup car instead ... I had already owned RHD / LHD / and Clubsport 964RS and the learning is in the journey of the cars owned ... and time is getting shorter !

Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 11th March 18:52

[GT3Manthey]

I’ve always been a fan of the RS and to my mind these cars should continue to be driven.

If you buy an original paint RS and want to drive it it’s almost to miss the point.

The fly yellow car is undoubtedly a thing of beauty and I yearn for it but equally I’d want to dive it for many miles and also see what the fuss is on driving one on track so for doing that the Ashgood car would be the one for me.

Yes it’s been repainted but equally it’s been properly refurbished with brakes and better running gear and as mentioned in this thread the last owner has spent on the car.

The only remaining question is what would you buy for similar money in the Porsche world that can offer better thrills for the same cash ?

If you’re an aircooled fan then I can’t think of what else ticks the box.

Maybe a 991 RS is for some the better car but if you’re tempted by the aircooled charm to start with then the 991 just won’t cut it.

Personally I think I’d be blown away by the 991 RS but then I’d always be looking back with loving eyes at the 964.

[RSVP911]

GT3Manthey said:

I’ve always been a fan of the RS and to my mind these cars should continue to be driven.

If you buy an original paint RS and want to drive it it’s almost to miss the point.

The fly yellow car is undoubtedly a thing of beauty and I yearn for it but equally I’d want to dive it for many miles and also see what the fuss is on driving one on track so for doing that the Ashgood car would be the one for me.

Yes it’s been repainted but equally it’s been properly refurbished with brakes and better running gear and as mentioned in this thread the last owner has spent on the car.

The only remaining question is what would you buy for similar money in the Porsche world that can offer better thrills for the same cash ?

If you’re an aircooled fan then I can’t think of what else ticks the box.

Maybe a 991 RS is for some the better car but if you’re tempted by the aircooled charm to start with then the 991 just won’t cut it.

Personally I think I’d be blown away by the 991 RS but then I’d always be looking back with loving eyes at the 964.

Very hard to compare to a 991RS as it’s PDK - and there’s something lovely about a manual AC 911 - very engaging - I found the 991.1 RS a little bit dull as a road car as you have to be going so fast for it to come alive - great track car though ; all just IMHO

[MDL111]

Still have not owned an air cooled car.... shame on me I know. I think if I could (can’t atm) afford it, the 964 RS is at the top of the list of the still semi-affordable cars. Although I’d probably be just as happy with a standard 963/993 C2 that has been fettled a little bit.

if I had a little more money available, I saw a road registered 993 RSR copy for sale which looks great to me

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

[Yellow491]

MDL111 said:

Still have not owned an air cooled car.... shame on me I know. I think if I could (can’t atm) afford it, the 964 RS is at the top of the list of the still semi-affordable cars. Although I’d probably be just as happy with a standard 963/993 C2 that has been fettled a little bit.

if I had a little more money available, I saw a road registered 993 RSR copy for sale which looks great to me

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

That car was in the uk for years,i raced against it a couple of times, built by freisinger,very good car.

If the 964 was so good why not keep it rsvp, they are ok cars ,very engaging Once wound up, but very slow today.Possibly the silver car was the better car to use as the manufacturer intended,rather than a lawn queen

[clubsport]

The silver car looks a good example to me for the price, recent work from an enthusaist owner helps.

Purely subjective, but I have always found RS in silver to be slightly less interesting, when other colours were available.

On that basis, when many cars are "collected" rather than hooned these days, brighter colours do seem to command a healthy premium and may well continue to do so?

[Yellow491]

clubsport said:

The silver car looks a good example to me for the price, recent work from an enthusaist owner helps.

Purely subjective, but I have always found RS in silver to be slightly less interesting, when other colours were available.

On that basis, when many cars are "collected" rather than hooned these days, brighter colours do seem to command a healthy premium and may well continue to do so?

I find yellow the least appealing mate.

[ChrisW.]

And I loved it, but it was just too nice.

[RSVP911]

Yellow491 said:

MDL111 said:

Still have not owned an air cooled car.... shame on me I know. I think if I could (can’t atm) afford it, the 964 RS is at the top of the list of the still semi-affordable cars. Although I’d probably be just as happy with a standard 963/993 C2 that has been fettled a little bit.

if I had a little more money available, I saw a road registered 993 RSR copy for sale which looks great to me

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

That car was in the uk for years,i raced against it a couple of times, built by freisinger,very good car.

If the 964 was so good why not keep it rsvp, they are ok cars ,very engaging Once wound up, but very slow today.Possibly the silver car was the better car to use as the manufacturer intended,rather than a lawn queen

Hi P - hope you are ok ?

Tough question TBH - I really liked the car and really enjoyed finding it, importing it, fettling to make it spot on. It’s was a real event to drive, the engine and chassis was absolutely lovely & being LHD made it a very special event. However, I want to keep trying different things and am running a very strict one in , one out policy and in the end it came down to working out how they all fit together and I decided that the 964 RS box was ticked - very happy to have had the chance to experience one though

Edited to add - re your comment about them being slow by today’s standards - yes maybe, but I never thought this - always felt quite full on to me.

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 12th March 19:44

[GT3Manthey]

MDL111 said:

Still have not owned an air cooled car.... shame on me I know. I think if I could (can’t atm) afford it, the 964 RS is at the top of the list of the still semi-affordable cars. Although I’d probably be just as happy with a standard 963/993 C2 that has been fettled a little bit.

if I had a little more money available, I saw a road registered 993 RSR copy for sale which looks great to me

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

That's a thing of beauty and the detail stacks up but for me at that price I'd have had RSVP's Fly Yellow all day.

[clubsport]

Yellow491 said:

clubsport said:

The silver car looks a good example to me for the price, recent work from an enthusaist owner helps.

Purely subjective, but I have always found RS in silver to be slightly less interesting, when other colours were available.

On that basis, when many cars are "collected" rather than hooned these days, brighter colours do seem to command a healthy premium and may well continue to do so?

I find yellow the least appealing mate.

Yeah, it's an acquired taste, not for everyone!

[Cheib]

GT3Manthey said:

MDL111 said:

Still have not owned an air cooled car.... shame on me I know. I think if I could (can’t atm) afford it, the 964 RS is at the top of the list of the still semi-affordable cars. Although I’d probably be just as happy with a standard 963/993 C2 that has been fettled a little bit.

if I had a little more money available, I saw a road registered 993 RSR copy for sale which looks great to me

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...

That's a thing of beauty and the detail stacks up but for me at that price I'd have had RSVP's Fly Yellow all day.

I struggle to see how much someone would really use that RSR. I can’t imagine it’s a great road car and on track I am sure it’s fun but I am also sure say a 991.2 GT3 RS is also a lot of fun...quicker on track and very easy to “arrive and drive”. Feel the same about something like a 964 NGT....I know there are a lot less of them but the RS Lightweight is so much more usable.