Older backdate 911

Older backdate 911

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BERGS2

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2,801 posts

248 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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Hi Guys -

Does anyone know of a specialist in older backdate 911s

i think Paul Stephens used to do a number of options, but it seems the market is a little broader now.

I saw a vid a while back about a build that was I think based on 996 mechanicals. ??? - but this feels a step too far IMHO...

Are there any specialists stocking these?

or has the inflation of everything pre-97 mnake these less economical sensible that doing the same ten years ago or so?

saw this and loved the look - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1984-porsche-9...


Orangecurry

7,427 posts

206 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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Sorry no - but why not just buy that one and save yourself heaps of cash?

BERGS2

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Wednesday 24th February 2021
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Orangecurry said:
Sorry no - but why not just buy that one and save yourself heaps of cash?
thats kinda what i'm asking - are there specialisty selling these type?

This is beautiful - but rather at the top end. https://www.paul-stephens.com/current-availability...

Wasn't familiar with the mechanics of that collecting cars site - just assumed that it was an old ad - will have a dig in - cheers!


Edited by BERGS2 on Wednesday 24th February 10:09

Orangecurry

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206 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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BERGS2 said:
Wasn't familiar with the mechanics of that collecting cars site - just assumed that it was an old ad - will have a dig in - cheers!
Apologies - I saw it said 'unsold' and looked no further. It's a year-old listing.

BERGS2

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Wednesday 24th February 2021
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Can anyone see what is was bid up to?

(i dont have an account)

VonSenger

2,465 posts

189 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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I had mine built at pro-9. I'm pleased with it.





VonSenger

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189 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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Its not finished yet as there was a few bits I wanted to change. What I will say, is its much cheaper to buy one already done. You will not believe the premium on parts and labour for this stuff. Just my engine top end refresh and ITB conversion was 20k.
But if you buy one, you buy some else's project. So it's a tricky decision.

BERGS2

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Wednesday 24th February 2021
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that looks awesome!

yeah - i've see that build costs can be pretty extreme -

if i were to go down this route, it would likely have to be someone elses project.

this one looks to have been a good buy - but is that 3.2 running a little oddly?(the youtube vid at the bottom)

rather like Chris Harris's one

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1969-porsche-3...


robemcdonald

8,787 posts

196 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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VonSenger said:
I had mine built at pro-9. I'm pleased with it.




Excellent

VonSenger

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189 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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robemcdonald said:
Excellent
Thank you sir

VonSenger

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189 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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BERGS2 said:
that looks awesome!

yeah - i've see that build costs can be pretty extreme -

if i were to go down this route, it would likely have to be someone elses project.

this one looks to have been a good buy - but is that 3.2 running a little oddly?(the youtube vid at the bottom)

rather like Chris Harris's one

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1969-porsche-3...
Thank you. This route will be cheaper, you can always tailer it to suit your taste. Lots of aftermarket stuff available off the shelf.

g7jhp

6,964 posts

238 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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All I'd say is you're paying a premium for the 'look' with backdates and the marketplace is a minefield.

It's hard and expensive enough trying to find a good aircooled car be the an SC, 3.2 Carrera or 964. Which have a known value.

You then have the problem of value with backdates as all backdates are not equal.

As you can see doing it properly is expensive and the end value of a car is usually lower than the cost the original car plus build costs.

Worth taking your time and joining some of the aircooled Porsche sites e.g. DDK, ImpactBumpers etc.

VonSenger

2,465 posts

189 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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g7jhp said:
All I'd say is you're paying a premium for the 'look' with backdates and the marketplace is a minefield.

It's hard and expensive enough trying to find a good aircooled car be the an SC, 3.2 Carrera or 964. Which have a known value.

You then have the problem of value with backdates as all backdates are not equal.

As you can see doing it properly is expensive and the end value of a car is usually lower than the cost the original car plus build costs.

Worth taking your time and joining some of the aircooled Porsche sites e.g. DDK, ImpactBumpers etc.
You are highly unlikely to get your initial investment back. Which is why when I set out to spec mine, I had the intention of never selling. And I still think this way, I love everything about it and will eventually leave it to the kids.

Red9zero

6,857 posts

57 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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VonSenger said:
I had mine built at pro-9. I'm pleased with it.




Absolutely gorgeous !

PS2018

323 posts

73 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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Not sure on pricing but this looks lovely:

https://petrolicious.com/articles/reinventing-the-...


BERGS2

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Wednesday 24th February 2021
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PS2018 said:
Not sure on pricing but this looks lovely:

https://petrolicious.com/articles/reinventing-the-...
"We don’t need to tell you that a custom carbon fiber clad 911 isn’t cheap"

not half: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/classic/someones-...

hehe



Yellow491

2,923 posts

119 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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VonSenger said:
Its not finished yet as there was a few bits I wanted to change. What I will say, is its much cheaper to buy one already done. You will not believe the premium on parts and labour for this stuff. Just my engine top end refresh and ITB conversion was 20k.
But if you buy one, you buy some else's project. So it's a tricky decision.
Looking good,if you look into the detail Of the top end with jenvey throttle bodies,ecu,loom,cams,mapping Exhaust etc,its easy to get to the those numbers if you cant do it yourself.
If you keep for 10 plus years and use it alot the pay back cant be measured really,only in smiles if done correctly.smile

VonSenger

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189 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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It soon adds up. The loom and throttle bodies alone are the best part of 10k. It's shocking how quickly it gets expensive. Then you have suspension, brakes and interior before you start thinking about paint work. And of course the car, I was lucky to pick up a great example from a collector so it had only recently been treated to a full rust repair and repaint. But if you need to rectify sills, windshield surround, floor pan or kidney bowls, I'd get the vaseline out and brace.

PS2018

323 posts

73 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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Ah thanks for the link BergS2, so a Crubilé basically same price as a Singer then!

Cheib

23,250 posts

175 months

Wednesday 24th February 2021
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BERGS2 said:
Orangecurry said:
Sorry no - but why not just buy that one and save yourself heaps of cash?
thats kinda what i'm asking - are there specialisty selling these type?

This is beautiful - but rather at the top end. https://www.paul-stephens.com/current-availability...

Wasn't familiar with the mechanics of that collecting cars site - just assumed that it was an old ad - will have a dig in - cheers!


Edited by BERGS2 on Wednesday 24th February 10:09
I’ve only seen one Paul Stephens car the “Le Mans” edition which is a £250k car...really didn’t think he finish was commensurate with a car of that cost. Can’t think of anyone on here who has owned one...maybe worth searching.