Older backdate 911
Discussion
BERGS2 said:
PS2018 said:
"We don’t need to tell you that a custom carbon fiber clad 911 isn’t cheap"not half: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/classic/someones-...
Von Senger your car look amazing - very jealous
VonSenger said:
Its not finished yet as there was a few bits I wanted to change. What I will say, is its much cheaper to buy one already done. You will not believe the premium on parts and labour for this stuff. Just my engine top end refresh and ITB conversion was 20k.
But if you buy one, you buy some else's project. So it's a tricky decision.
Buying someone else’s hotrod is a minefield I think....quite often these cars seem to come up a year or so after they’ve been completed and hardly done any miles. That always worries me. But if you buy one, you buy some else's project. So it's a tricky decision.
I suppose the best thing you can do if you are building your own is to find a solid donor car....metalwork costs can be ruinous.
I’ve also seen one of the Paul stephens Le Mans classic cars in the flesh and it didn’t stick me as a 250k car, maybe 150k. Launched in 2018 and they still have some of the 10 units for sale 3 years later.
Also agree with the ‘buying someone else’s project’ comments, can be very hard to work out if it’s a good one or not, even if you are buying at a big discount to what it cost them to complete.
Also agree with the ‘buying someone else’s project’ comments, can be very hard to work out if it’s a good one or not, even if you are buying at a big discount to what it cost them to complete.
PS2018 said:
I’ve also seen one of the Paul stephens Le Mans classic cars in the flesh and it didn’t stick me as a 250k car, maybe 150k. Launched in 2018 and they still have some of the 10 units for sale 3 years later.
Also agree with the ‘buying someone else’s project’ comments, can be very hard to work out if it’s a good one or not, even if you are buying at a big discount to what it cost them to complete.
The best way to look at it is probably the sum of its parts and quality of finish. If the bodywork is immaculate and the components are top notch then that's how it needs to be valued. For example I wouldn't consider paying north of 60k for anything without a jenvey setup and a decent level of bilstein and setup. On paper that's easily the best part of 20k. Then you have interior trim, the standard black carpet and classic buckets I think can be done really cheaply and not worth a premium imo. A classic backdate with elements such as proper basket weave leather and perlon rs carpets are worth far more. Also agree with the ‘buying someone else’s project’ comments, can be very hard to work out if it’s a good one or not, even if you are buying at a big discount to what it cost them to complete.
They can be valued properly but you really do need to know what you're looking at. I honestly had no idea on the differences when I set out to spec mine, it's not until you really deep dive into the rest restmod world that this stuff reveals itself.
The long bonnet for example, 300 quid for an awful composite thing that won't polish up or fit against a carbon jobby which is circa £3k. Or an original if you can find it. Huge differences in price and quality.
OP, feel free to pm me with anything you find and I'll give you my opinion on value.
VonSenger said:
The long bonnet for example, 300 quid for an awful composite thing that won't polish up or fit against a carbon jobby which is circa £3k. Or an original if you can find it. Huge differences in price and quality.
You can buy the lightweight steel bonnet for the 2.7 RS from Porsche for about £2k....they started making them again a few years ago. I imagine the regular bonnet is somewhat cheaper from them. Cheib said:
Buying someone else’s hotrod is a minefield I think....quite often these cars seem to come up a year or so after they’ve been completed and hardly done any miles. That always worries me.
I suppose the best thing you can do if you are building your own is to find a solid donor car....metalwork costs can be ruinous.
I'd imagine there's s very small number of people who I suppose the best thing you can do if you are building your own is to find a solid donor car....metalwork costs can be ruinous.
a) Want a Porsche backdate.
B) can afford to get one done properly.
C) appreciate what these are like to drive in reality.
However, I think there's plenty of people who
A) Can afford to have one built.
B) have watched a lot of petrolicious YouTube vids
C) have never driven a stripped out, race suspension classic Porsche.
I don't mind admitting that I absolutely love these cars. The backdates are a whole genre of 911's that probably most tickle my senses. But I'm under no illusions that i could own one. I live too far from decent driving roads and I can't get into track days. It's just not for me. But it's great to see them getting built.
rufusgti said:
Cheib said:
Buying someone else’s hotrod is a minefield I think....quite often these cars seem to come up a year or so after they’ve been completed and hardly done any miles. That always worries me.
I suppose the best thing you can do if you are building your own is to find a solid donor car....metalwork costs can be ruinous.
I'd imagine there's s very small number of people who I suppose the best thing you can do if you are building your own is to find a solid donor car....metalwork costs can be ruinous.
a) Want a Porsche backdate.
B) can afford to get one done properly.
C) appreciate what these are like to drive in reality.
However, I think there's plenty of people who
A) Can afford to have one built.
B) have watched a lot of petrolicious YouTube vids
C) have never driven a stripped out, race suspension classic Porsche.
I don't mind admitting that I absolutely love these cars. The backdates are a whole genre of 911's that probably most tickle my senses. But I'm under no illusions that i could own one. I live too far from decent driving roads and I can't get into track days. It's just not for me. But it's great to see them getting built.
I think the “stripped out” thing is half the problem....and why a lot of these cars don’t get used. I have no clue why anyone wants a car that is almost a bare shell inside unless you’re going to use it for something like hillclimbs and pure track use and have a lid on when you drive it. Personally I wouldn’t track one because if I had an incident I’d much rather be in a modern car, Also I am no driving god and don’t think i could pedal an air cooled car well enough that it’s track speed would be high enough that I wouldn’t be a mobile chicane on a track day
I’ve got an old air cooled car with carpets etc as it had in period it is plenty noisy enough and it’s not running any kind of high spec tuned engine,
Edited by Cheib on Friday 26th February 08:34
Cheib said:
You’d be surprised how much fun an old air cooled car is on just normal driving roads.
I think the “stripped out” thing is half the problem....and why a lot of these cars don’t get used. I have no clue why anyone wants a car that is almost a bare shell inside unless you’re going to use it for something like hillclimbs and pure track use and have a lid on when you drive it. Personally I wouldn’t track one because if I had an incident I’d much rather be in a modern car, Also I am no driving god and don’t think i could pedal an air cooled car well enough that it’s track speed would be high enough that I wouldn’t be a mobile chicane on a track day
I’ve got an old air cooled car with carpets etc as it had in period it is plenty noisy enough and it’s not running any kind of high spec tuned engine,
Yes. To be fair and perhaps unfairly, I was referring to the stripped out cars. I understand the pull to a degree in terms of weight. But the trade off is just massive. I think the “stripped out” thing is half the problem....and why a lot of these cars don’t get used. I have no clue why anyone wants a car that is almost a bare shell inside unless you’re going to use it for something like hillclimbs and pure track use and have a lid on when you drive it. Personally I wouldn’t track one because if I had an incident I’d much rather be in a modern car, Also I am no driving god and don’t think i could pedal an air cooled car well enough that it’s track speed would be high enough that I wouldn’t be a mobile chicane on a track day
I’ve got an old air cooled car with carpets etc as it had in period it is plenty noisy enough and it’s not running any kind of high spec tuned engine,
Edited by Cheib on Friday 26th February 08:34
BERGS2 said:
thats kinda what i'm asking - are there specialisty selling these type?
This is beautiful - but rather at the top end. https://www.paul-stephens.com/current-availability...
Wasn't familiar with the mechanics of that collecting cars site - just assumed that it was an old ad - will have a dig in - cheers!
I’m sorry but that is absolutely bonkers cash and it’s a tip! This is beautiful - but rather at the top end. https://www.paul-stephens.com/current-availability...
Wasn't familiar with the mechanics of that collecting cars site - just assumed that it was an old ad - will have a dig in - cheers!
Edited by BERGS2 on Wednesday 24th February 10:09
Backdate IMO should had period credentials like being a manual to start with.
That car if you want to sell is 75k not the 175k you’d have recently paid.
As already mentioned true values of backdates is tricky so personally I’d wait for one to appear on CC’s then you know what the market will pay.
The PS car looks pretty enough but it’s insanely the wrong price.
Just think you could have bought a rare 964 fly yellow on CC’s for the same cash . Makes no sense when you think of it like that.
JZM have a nice looking green backdate at 125 ish.
If you buy one from CC’s you’ll at least know what you’re likely to get back when you want to seek it.
Good luck but to sum up I think buying that PS car will hurt you badly
BERGS2 said:
Hi Guys -
Does anyone know of a specialist in older backdate 911s
i think Paul Stephens used to do a number of options, but it seems the market is a little broader now.
I saw a vid a while back about a build that was I think based on 996 mechanicals. ??? - but this feels a step too far IMHO...
Are there any specialists stocking these?
or has the inflation of everything pre-97 mnake these less economical sensible that doing the same ten years ago or so?
saw this and loved the look - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1984-porsche-9...
And I bet this wasn’t anywhere close to the cost of the PS on. Does anyone know of a specialist in older backdate 911s
i think Paul Stephens used to do a number of options, but it seems the market is a little broader now.
I saw a vid a while back about a build that was I think based on 996 mechanicals. ??? - but this feels a step too far IMHO...
Are there any specialists stocking these?
or has the inflation of everything pre-97 mnake these less economical sensible that doing the same ten years ago or so?
saw this and loved the look - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1984-porsche-9...
It didn’t sell but did you see what the bidding got to ?
Edited by GT3Manthey on Tuesday 2nd March 08:45
Good question. I wonder if CC think that providing the high bid on unsold lots would be a useful feature? I’d like to see it.
I’ve heard of a website/app called ‘hammer price’ which I believe shows highest bid on some auction sites but I’ve never used it.
I’ve heard of a website/app called ‘hammer price’ which I believe shows highest bid on some auction sites but I’ve never used it.
Edited by PS2018 on Tuesday 2nd March 11:14
PS2018 said:
Good question. I wonder if CC think that providing the high bid on unsold lots would be a useful feature? I’d like to see it.
I’ve heard of a website/app called ‘hammer price’ which I believe shows highest bid on some auction sites but I’ve never used it.
Im sure if you enquired they would give you the details of where the previous auction got to and then put you in touch with the seller who, if you buy the car, then you pay the commission.I’ve heard of a website/app called ‘hammer price’ which I believe shows highest bid on some auction sites but I’ve never used it.
Edited by PS2018 on Tuesday 2nd March 11:14
That said maybe the reserve price was a good way off the highest bid so all info would prove useful.
Cant harm to drop them an enquiry.
There is the whole debate over original VS backdates. Personally i like the idea of a backdate but having gone down this route before of restoring and altering a car the costs get way out of hand so my advice is buy one from a private seller.
Edited by GT3Manthey on Tuesday 2nd March 11:32
GT3Manthey said:
Im sure if you enquired they would give you the details of where the previous auction got to and then put you in touch with the seller who, if you buy the car, then you pay the commission.
That said maybe the reserve price was a good way off the highest bid so all info would prove useful.
Cant harm to drop them an enquiry.
There is the whole debate over original VS backdates. Personally i like the idea of a backdate but having gone down this route before of restoring and altering a car the costs get way out of hand so my advice is buy one from a private seller.
I did drop them a note - got a polite reply that it was no longer available.That said maybe the reserve price was a good way off the highest bid so all info would prove useful.
Cant harm to drop them an enquiry.
There is the whole debate over original VS backdates. Personally i like the idea of a backdate but having gone down this route before of restoring and altering a car the costs get way out of hand so my advice is buy one from a private seller.
Edited by GT3Manthey on Tuesday 2nd March 11:32
Have followed up asking where it got to - suspect that they will not disclose, but as you say - no harm in asking.
the auction scraping software would tell what it was at various times
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