Taycan test drive was a snooze-fest, is this the future?
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danjp said:
Absolutely - I bet both are the case. There are 82 on the approved used site of a car that has only been available for a year - who is going to buy these used when you can't get the WDA? 47 992's - been out for 2 years - granted there are supply issues.
Another reason not to own oneWell I've ordered a 4s Cross Turismo yesterday . Had a test drive in the normal Taycan and whilst I wasn't blown away with it compared with my I pace , it was better through the bends . Disappointed in the lack of regen braking but the real brakes are a delight .
They have dumbed down the throttle response , nowhere near as immediate as the Jaguar . But it was a short drive so on balance I've gone for it .
They have dumbed down the throttle response , nowhere near as immediate as the Jaguar . But it was a short drive so on balance I've gone for it .
ds666 said:
Disappointed in the lack of regen braking but the real brakes are a delight .
This semed odd to me when I drove the Taycan. However, apparently Porsche don't like the 1 pedal driving type thing so actually when you press the brake you engage the regen and only when you press hard enough do you get the actual brakes. It's so well calibrated a system, I had no idea and kept wondering where the lack of regen was. It's there, Porsche just want to make it behave like a conventional car.
You can turn the regen braking on (I think there is a steering wheel button to do that), but the default is off. It felt more natural to me to have regen on, otherwise the speed feels like it stays with the car an un-naturally long period.
I think there may be resale value issues for the reason stated above, but if you are buying through a company and writing it down, probably won't bother most buyers. Interestingly the sales guy I spoke to was recommending a guaranteed value finance deal to mitigate that. Might be the one time the extra cost of that is worth it.
Another point - there isn't a decent colour in the range! I think it needs to be lighter to make the most of the intakes but too light and you lose the curves. Thought silver was the answer but the test one we had looked a bit flat. The other colours are a bit meh and the blue is a bit bright (looks good on a 911).
I think there may be resale value issues for the reason stated above, but if you are buying through a company and writing it down, probably won't bother most buyers. Interestingly the sales guy I spoke to was recommending a guaranteed value finance deal to mitigate that. Might be the one time the extra cost of that is worth it.
Another point - there isn't a decent colour in the range! I think it needs to be lighter to make the most of the intakes but too light and you lose the curves. Thought silver was the answer but the test one we had looked a bit flat. The other colours are a bit meh and the blue is a bit bright (looks good on a 911).
PaulD86 said:
ds666 said:
Disappointed in the lack of regen braking but the real brakes are a delight .
This semed odd to me when I drove the Taycan. However, apparently Porsche don't like the 1 pedal driving type thing so actually when you press the brake you engage the regen and only when you press hard enough do you get the actual brakes. It's so well calibrated a system, I had no idea and kept wondering where the lack of regen was. It's there, Porsche just want to make it behave like a conventional car.Lovely place to sit thou .
danjp said:
Absolutely - I bet both are the case. There are 82 on the approved used site of a car that has only been available for a year - who is going to buy these used when you can't get the WDA? 47 992's - been out for 2 years - granted there are supply issues.
I went for a 10 mile return journey the other day to drop something off, I saw 7 Taycan while I was out!DMC2 said:
I went for a 10 mile return journey the other day to drop something off, I saw 7 Taycan while I was out!
Funny you should say that. It is around half a mile from my house to the centre of our village. There are now 7 Taycans outside houses on the walk down. They are breeding. I think they look lovely but my experience with a Tesla Model S confirmed large EVs still have a fight on to hide their weight. As do I to be fair. I’m sure they are easily the best of the larger EVs out there but not being able to buy through a company means there isn’t quite enough appeal for me at the moment.
SCO said:
I also now get why Tesla is so strongly favoured by the financial markets (I always thought they would be toast once the big manufacturers got into the EV game). I think I was wrong. I now think they will win.
Because it is hard (impossible?) to make an EV properly engaging as a real world car it doesn't matter if you have decades of motorsport heritage, it doesn't matter how it drives because they will all be much of a muchness.
Cars will become just another white good, like a washing machine or a dishwasher. So you just need to know the stats, like how much range, how quick it charges, see if you like the look of it online. No surprise really that you can't walk into a Tesla or a Polestar dealer in most towns and go for a drive.
Quite depressing really.
good post and fully agreeBecause it is hard (impossible?) to make an EV properly engaging as a real world car it doesn't matter if you have decades of motorsport heritage, it doesn't matter how it drives because they will all be much of a muchness.
Cars will become just another white good, like a washing machine or a dishwasher. So you just need to know the stats, like how much range, how quick it charges, see if you like the look of it online. No surprise really that you can't walk into a Tesla or a Polestar dealer in most towns and go for a drive.
Quite depressing really.
Cheib said:
danjp said:
Absolutely - I bet both are the case. There are 82 on the approved used site of a car that has only been available for a year - who is going to buy these used when you can't get the WDA? 47 992's - been out for 2 years - granted there are supply issues.
Another reason not to own oneIt also looks like a mud skipper, and the new EV Macan with larger range is out later in year.
Small urban cars, EV works...otherwise, life is too short.
Edited by Robbo66 on Wednesday 12th May 13:43
It is interesting to hear peoples differing opinions on this. Of course, most are from a position of having never driven a Taycan or having given it a run around the block on a test drive.
For me there are very few modern cars with any form of USP at all. The Taycan has at least adds a little sportiness to the EV mix. The weight is just a number, these things will out corner most stuff out there. Not a track focussed sports car, such as a GT3, but most so called grand tourers.
What other modern cars have a USP? High end naturally aspirated super cars yes, the rear engined 911 yes, GR Yaris maybe, GT86?
Generic boxes like the RR, Cayenne, X5 etc offer practically, but there's no joy of motoring to me. Fast diesels mated to a slush box don't do it for me, I've tried them. The current super saloons are overweight, have a high centre of gravity and computer programmed pops and bangs to compensate the turbos filtering out the V8 symphony that you should be hearing. Go and test drive an M5, now that really is a snooze fest.
For me there are very few modern cars with any form of USP at all. The Taycan has at least adds a little sportiness to the EV mix. The weight is just a number, these things will out corner most stuff out there. Not a track focussed sports car, such as a GT3, but most so called grand tourers.
What other modern cars have a USP? High end naturally aspirated super cars yes, the rear engined 911 yes, GR Yaris maybe, GT86?
Generic boxes like the RR, Cayenne, X5 etc offer practically, but there's no joy of motoring to me. Fast diesels mated to a slush box don't do it for me, I've tried them. The current super saloons are overweight, have a high centre of gravity and computer programmed pops and bangs to compensate the turbos filtering out the V8 symphony that you should be hearing. Go and test drive an M5, now that really is a snooze fest.
Grantstown said:
It is interesting to hear peoples differing opinions on this. Of course, most are from a position of having never driven a Taycan or having given it a run around the block on a test drive.
For me there are very few modern cars with any form of USP at all. The Taycan has at least adds a little sportiness to the EV mix. The weight is just a number, these things will out corner most stuff out there. Not a track focussed sports car, such as a GT3, but most so called grand tourers.
What other modern cars have a USP? High end naturally aspirated super cars yes, the rear engined 911 yes, GR Yaris maybe, GT86?
Generic boxes like the RR, Cayenne, X5 etc offer practically, but there's no joy of motoring to me. Fast diesels mated to a slush box don't do it for me, I've tried them. The current super saloons are overweight, have a high centre of gravity and computer programmed pops and bangs to compensate the turbos filtering out the V8 symphony that you should be hearing. Go and test drive an M5, now that really is a snooze fest.
I collect my GR Yaris in two hours. Off topic I know but any excuse...........!!For me there are very few modern cars with any form of USP at all. The Taycan has at least adds a little sportiness to the EV mix. The weight is just a number, these things will out corner most stuff out there. Not a track focussed sports car, such as a GT3, but most so called grand tourers.
What other modern cars have a USP? High end naturally aspirated super cars yes, the rear engined 911 yes, GR Yaris maybe, GT86?
Generic boxes like the RR, Cayenne, X5 etc offer practically, but there's no joy of motoring to me. Fast diesels mated to a slush box don't do it for me, I've tried them. The current super saloons are overweight, have a high centre of gravity and computer programmed pops and bangs to compensate the turbos filtering out the V8 symphony that you should be hearing. Go and test drive an M5, now that really is a snooze fest.
Grantstown said:
It is interesting to hear peoples differing opinions on this. Of course, most are from a position of having never driven a Taycan or having given it a run around the block on a test drive.
For me there are very few modern cars with any form of USP at all. The Taycan has at least adds a little sportiness to the EV mix. The weight is just a number, these things will out corner most stuff out there. Not a track focussed sports car, such as a GT3, but most so called grand tourers.
What other modern cars have a USP? High end naturally aspirated super cars yes, the rear engined 911 yes, GR Yaris maybe, GT86?
Generic boxes like the RR, Cayenne, X5 etc offer practically, but there's no joy of motoring to me. Fast diesels mated to a slush box don't do it for me, I've tried them. The current super saloons are overweight, have a high centre of gravity and computer programmed pops and bangs to compensate the turbos filtering out the V8 symphony that you should be hearing. Go and test drive an M5, now that really is a snooze fest.
The modern car that undoubtedly has a USP is Tesla with it’s charger network which is a every other car makers achilles. For me there are very few modern cars with any form of USP at all. The Taycan has at least adds a little sportiness to the EV mix. The weight is just a number, these things will out corner most stuff out there. Not a track focussed sports car, such as a GT3, but most so called grand tourers.
What other modern cars have a USP? High end naturally aspirated super cars yes, the rear engined 911 yes, GR Yaris maybe, GT86?
Generic boxes like the RR, Cayenne, X5 etc offer practically, but there's no joy of motoring to me. Fast diesels mated to a slush box don't do it for me, I've tried them. The current super saloons are overweight, have a high centre of gravity and computer programmed pops and bangs to compensate the turbos filtering out the V8 symphony that you should be hearing. Go and test drive an M5, now that really is a snooze fest.
Taycan is a great car to drive (I’ve had four days in a couple of different cars)...packaging of the saloon is flawed in my opinion (boot and rear space are poor for such a big car). I was going to buy a Cross Turismo and have had a deposit down for one for 18 months but have decided not too because of the charging issue.
Cheib said:
The modern car that undoubtedly has a USP is Tesla with it’s charger network which is a every other car makers achilles.
Taycan is a great car to drive (I’ve had four days in a couple of different cars)...packaging of the saloon is flawed in my opinion (boot and rear space are poor for such a big car). I was going to buy a Cross Turismo and have had a deposit down for one for 18 months but have decided not too because of the charging issue.
I've had zero issues with public charging in my ownership, but I do pre-plan longer trips to make sure that is the case - it's definitely not as easy as getting unleaded. Taycan is a great car to drive (I’ve had four days in a couple of different cars)...packaging of the saloon is flawed in my opinion (boot and rear space are poor for such a big car). I was going to buy a Cross Turismo and have had a deposit down for one for 18 months but have decided not too because of the charging issue.
For me the Taycan replaced an F10 M5. That was more practical, made a better noise, performance was similar from a roll. It wasn't as good to drive, nor look / feel as special (that said it's no where near the price either).
I'd choose a compromised saloon every time, for me favouring some attributes over others is part of the appeal - if I wanted something that did everything, wouldn't I just go buy an SUV like everyone else?
edit: The Cross Tourismo also looks great, I'd really like to see a Sport Tourismo version..
Edited by puttything on Friday 14th May 12:02
Taffy66 said:
I echo what was said above. I find our Taycan 4S a very enjoyable car to drive briskly. I attribute this to total effortless torque at all speeds coupled with a very low CoG(lower than a 992).The 4S with PB+ is also 85kg lighter than the Turbo, all at the front which helps handling.
Is 4S not exact same motors and battery as the Turbo?I placed my deposit on a 4S Cross Turismo to replace the Macan Turbo PP. I thought the Taycan is dynamically better than the Macan in EVERY single respect, and then some for the bigger Cayenne.... And the Macan is a fab family/work/dog car that can be hustled quite a bit - its upset many a hot hatch on Welsh B roads LOL.;)
Each to his own but was pretty blown away by the ride/pace/handling/balance of the Taycan - enough to dig very deep and accept range anxiety that may have me on pills!
puttything said:
Cheib said:
The modern car that undoubtedly has a USP is Tesla with it’s charger network which is a every other car makers achilles.
Taycan is a great car to drive (I’ve had four days in a couple of different cars)...packaging of the saloon is flawed in my opinion (boot and rear space are poor for such a big car). I was going to buy a Cross Turismo and have had a deposit down for one for 18 months but have decided not too because of the charging issue.
I've had zero issues with public charging in my ownership, but I do pre-plan longer trips to make sure that is the case - it's definitely not as easy as getting unleaded. Taycan is a great car to drive (I’ve had four days in a couple of different cars)...packaging of the saloon is flawed in my opinion (boot and rear space are poor for such a big car). I was going to buy a Cross Turismo and have had a deposit down for one for 18 months but have decided not too because of the charging issue.
Edited by puttything on Friday 14th May 12:02
So for planned journey’s great...for impromptu journey’ s currently less so unless like me you happen to get “caught short” within range of an Ionity charger.
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