Taycan test drive was a snooze-fest, is this the future?
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Looking at a lot of reviews recently, the real world range seems around 170 miles, I do a fair few journeys of more than that, and even driven hard my V10 ICE does more than that, and only takes 5 mins to refuel. Until EVs get anywhere near these figures they are not for me. The Porsche and Audi do look nice though..just missing a V8 or V10 in there..and yes I know I am a Luddite 
There is so much anecdotal, uninformed and baseless EV discrimination bulls
t on here its laughable 
. As an ACTUAL real world owner of a Taycan 4S PB+ i get a genuine 252 miles range on a balanced mixture of rural, urban and motorway usage on a 100% charge.
I expect this to improve further as temps rise. Plenty of U Tube tests showing Taycans achieving real world ranges of 300 miles.
t on here its laughable . As an ACTUAL real world owner of a Taycan 4S PB+ i get a genuine 252 miles range on a balanced mixture of rural, urban and motorway usage on a 100% charge.I expect this to improve further as temps rise. Plenty of U Tube tests showing Taycans achieving real world ranges of 300 miles.
Taffy66 said:
There is so much anecdotal, uninformed and baseless EV discrimination bullst on here its laughable . As an ACTUAL real world owner of a Taycan 4S PB+ i get a genuine 252 miles range on a balanced mixture of rural, urban and motorway usage on a 100% charge.
I expect this to improve further as temps rise. Plenty of U Tube tests showing Taycans achieving real world ranges of 300 miles.
Thanks - that 170 thing wobbled me!!!t on here its laughable . As an ACTUAL real world owner of a Taycan 4S PB+ i get a genuine 252 miles range on a balanced mixture of rural, urban and motorway usage on a 100% charge.I expect this to improve further as temps rise. Plenty of U Tube tests showing Taycans achieving real world ranges of 300 miles.
Ken Figenus said:
Taffy66 said:
There is so much anecdotal, uninformed and baseless EV discrimination bullst on here its laughable . As an ACTUAL real world owner of a Taycan 4S PB+ i get a genuine 252 miles range on a balanced mixture of rural, urban and motorway usage on a 100% charge.
I expect this to improve further as temps rise. Plenty of U Tube tests showing Taycans achieving real world ranges of 300 miles.
Thanks - that 170 thing wobbled me!!!t on here its laughable . As an ACTUAL real world owner of a Taycan 4S PB+ i get a genuine 252 miles range on a balanced mixture of rural, urban and motorway usage on a 100% charge.I expect this to improve further as temps rise. Plenty of U Tube tests showing Taycans achieving real world ranges of 300 miles.
If you hammering around in sport + then you can deplete it much faster obviously, but the differences aren’t as much as my 911 where I can see 38 mpg on a motorway cruise, down 27 for mixed driving and 15 if blasting around the back roads.
ninepoint2 said:
Quote from well respected motoring journo Dan Prosser from his Intercooler Instagram account
"I drove it from full battery to empty and covered 175 miles. I used the performance at times but mostly cruised. Simply reporting as I find!"
This is completely out of odds with my Taycan's range and i don't hang around in a car."I drove it from full battery to empty and covered 175 miles. I used the performance at times but mostly cruised. Simply reporting as I find!"
Edited by ninepoint2 on Sunday 16th May 00:08
TTmonkey said:
Watch Schmee’s latest video of his Taycan charging experience.
Not a happy camper.
Ohh - that was pretty tragic. If I get one, charging like that will usually be in the middle of a working day and missing an appointment/client due to inability to charge could cost far more than just time/frustration :-( Why do so many chargers seem to be out of order/faulty?Not a happy camper.
Grantstown said:
I can also vouch for the range. 85% charge gives 222. If you go 100% it’ll be 260 range or 250 normal mode.
If you hammering around in sport + then you can deplete it much faster obviously, but the differences aren’t as much as my 911 where I can see 38 mpg on a motorway cruise, down 27 for mixed driving and 15 if blasting around the back roads.
When, exactly, can you actually use 100% of range? What happens when you get to 100%?If you hammering around in sport + then you can deplete it much faster obviously, but the differences aren’t as much as my 911 where I can see 38 mpg on a motorway cruise, down 27 for mixed driving and 15 if blasting around the back roads.
The reality is that you probably don't want to intentionally go below 50 miles of range on any significant journey. You have to account for things like faulty charging points, occupied charging points etc. Personally, I'd view a maximum real-world range of 252 miles as a usable range of about 175 miles, 200 miles at the most. There's no way I'd want to rock up at the charging station I'd chosen with much less than 50 miles spare knowing how often chargers can be faulty or occupied.
For day-to-day usage charging overnight at home where you have sufficient range for the day without the need to charge, EVs are brilliant. But for scenarios with longer journeys, especially when plans and destinations are changing in real time, they're much more problematic. An EV as only car could be very difficult, still, depending on exactly how you use the thing.
Taycan in so many ways is the most appealing EV out there. But I'd want another usable 100 miles range, at least. Which means probably more like another 150 miles of maximum real-world range.
TTmonkey said:
Watch Schmee’s latest video of his Taycan charging experience.
Not a happy camper.
He just needed to have a couple of grizzly kids in the back to make the debarkle perfect. Not a happy camper.
Difficult to make the case for a plug in hybrid for the majority at the moment never mind a full EV.
Xfe said:
EVs are a joke. Another doomed project erroneously backed by governments, and as always at a great cost to the consumer/taxpayers.
JLR will be all EV by 2025
I was staggered to be told that by the soon to be out of work salesman today! Most people park on the street and infrastructure remains abysmal... Still getting oneXfe said:
EVs are a joke. Another doomed project erroneously backed by governments, and as always at a great cost to the consumer/taxpayers.
Slightly hyperbolic. EVs are neither a joke nor an instant solution to the problem of sustainable transport.The battery tech really does need to improve a bit and so does the charging infrastructure. But that is happening so there's a chance the whole enterprise may work out OK in the end.
Which isn't to say there aren't pretty major issues today. An EV with half a tonne of battery is certainly much more problematic from a sustainability perspective than the simplistic zero emissions narrative implies. But equally if the battery tech improves a bit, then in a decade or two EVs might on balance be clearly preferable to combustion cars from a net overall impact perspective. We'll see. But it's not even remotely proven one or the other - including your way!
Ken Figenus said:
Ohh - that was pretty tragic. If I get one, charging like that will usually be in the middle of a working day and missing an appointment/client due to inability to charge could cost far more than just time/frustration :-( Why do so many chargers seem to be out of order/faulty?
Because the Germans are happy to flood the market with cars but put no effort into the infrastructure to support charging.If I was to go electric the only choice for me would be a Tesla if I was doing any serious miles. Just for pottering around then home charging is fine.
If you’re a travelling salesman relying on one car, then the Taycan just isn’t for you.
It is a super car, but in reality is largely owned by people with a few quid who generally also have a sports car and an SUV at least. I think they’re at their best right now, when there are still relatively few EVs on the road.
As a 4S owner, I don’t really understand why the motoring journalists are so keen on the RWD version. The magic happens because power can be instantly shifted between the front and rear. I might be wrong as I haven’t driven the RWD.
It is a super car, but in reality is largely owned by people with a few quid who generally also have a sports car and an SUV at least. I think they’re at their best right now, when there are still relatively few EVs on the road.
As a 4S owner, I don’t really understand why the motoring journalists are so keen on the RWD version. The magic happens because power can be instantly shifted between the front and rear. I might be wrong as I haven’t driven the RWD.
Grantstown said:
If you’re a travelling salesman relying on one car, then the Taycan just isn’t for you.
It is a super car, but in reality is largely owned by people with a few quid who generally also have a sports car and an SUV at least. I think they’re at their best right now, when there are still relatively few EVs on the road.
As a 4S owner, I don’t really understand why the motoring journalists are so keen on the RWD version. The magic happens because power can be instantly shifted between the front and rear. I might be wrong as I haven’t driven the RWD.
I can't imagine how the RWD puts its power down with such high torque at zero revs . 4wd for a daily is a really sensible way to go . It is a super car, but in reality is largely owned by people with a few quid who generally also have a sports car and an SUV at least. I think they’re at their best right now, when there are still relatively few EVs on the road.
As a 4S owner, I don’t really understand why the motoring journalists are so keen on the RWD version. The magic happens because power can be instantly shifted between the front and rear. I might be wrong as I haven’t driven the RWD.
My Ipace doesn't even trouble the traction control off the line is the pouring rain - very impressive - a previous f10 M5 would be laughable in the same conditions ( still awesome thou ) .
F6C said:
Xfe said:
EVs are a joke. Another doomed project erroneously backed by governments, and as always at a great cost to the consumer/taxpayers.
Slightly hyperbolic. EVs are neither a joke nor an instant solution to the problem of sustainable transport.The battery tech really does need to improve a bit and so does the charging infrastructure. But that is happening so there's a chance the whole enterprise may work out OK in the end.
Which isn't to say there aren't pretty major issues today. An EV with half a tonne of battery is certainly much more problematic from a sustainability perspective than the simplistic zero emissions narrative implies. But equally if the battery tech improves a bit, then in a decade or two EVs might on balance be clearly preferable to combustion cars from a net overall impact perspective. We'll see. But it's not even remotely proven one or the other - including your way!
Thirty plus years ago Greenpeace were campaigning against nuclear power because of its environmental credentials....even when we think we’re doing the right thing for the environment we aren’t always. Imagine how much less Co2 would have been spewed into the atmosphere if we’d built the nuclear power stations we should have in the 80’s....
Grantstown said:
As a 4S owner, I don’t really understand why the motoring journalists are so keen on the RWD version. The magic happens because power can be instantly shifted between the front and rear. I might be wrong as I haven’t driven the RWD.
Had a RWD on extended test (school run, overnight then school run). It was pouring with rain for the whole time. Overall, slightly preferred the RWD, maybe it was just because I had longer with it, dunno. One slight wobble on standing water where the steering went v light but no traction etc triggered. Interestingly it was on springs rather than air suspension (surprisingly for a demo car). Running slightly hard on 21 inch wheels but OK. Still like driving a milk float though...Cheib said:
The interesting thing will be IF the promised synthetic fuels can do what Porsche promise they can.....needs massive scale to make it economically viable but there are an awful lot of interested parties that will want to make it happen and for countries who rely on fossil fuels for electricity generation would certainly be a much better move,
Not sure who those interested parties are. Right now, pretty much every major car company is deep into the billions soent shifting to electric. Likewise, don't see much noise around synthetic fuels when it comes to electricity generation.I'd say it was the other way round. Synthetic fuel is an interesting idea that really makes more sense in many than battery electric. But the momentum and vested interests backing battery electric may prevent it from having a fair chance of success.
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