Taycan 4S Cross Turismo

[21ATS]

Taffy66 said:

Another point worth making is that by choosing a payment option which allows full ownership at the end of the term allows flexibility. For instance lets assume the UK removes all tax perks in three years time and you HAVE to hand your leased Taycan back with no tax perks available to buy another one.

Indeed, the option to keep at the end of the agreement seems quite important.

We're expecting to keep these for some time. Well at least as long as it's viable from a tax perspective.

[ds666]

21ATS said:

I'm waiting for the figures in black and white, once I have them I'll post them here to describe our circumstances.

Edited by 21ATS on Tuesday 25th May 18:02

Thanks - I fully understand the principles , just too lazy to work out the numbers .

[Taffy66]

Just locked our Taycan 4S Cross Turismo and i've gone back to the 20" Turbo wheels as much as i love the 21" Cross Turismo ones. Hope i don't see a car with the 21" in the metal !.
Still got the RWS as on balance i think its worth it as it also includes the Power Steering Plus. By far my most difficult decision were the wheels however on this rare occasion i allowed my head to rule my heart.

[Taffy66]

Here's mine.
https://www.porsche.com/microsite/porsche-code/def...

[993rsr]

These sound like a genuine perk like the old days of company cars, after years of not bothering due to the dreaded BIK will re-visit.

[21ATS]

993rsr said:

These sound like a genuine perk like the old days of company cars, after years of not bothering due to the dreaded BIK will re-visit.

That's what caught us by surprise. For so many years it's not been a viable financial choice to run a car through your business that I didn't even bother looking.

Might as well take advantage whilst it's on offer.

[21ATS]

Taffy66 said:

Here's mine.
https://www.porsche.com/microsite/porsche-code/def...

I didn't bother with the passenger screen, but I did go with the surround view parking. I've got so used to the birds eye image whilst parking my Audi it's become a must have on larger cars for me.

Have a chat with your dealer about the cables - you've probably got more than you need there.

The only option multiple people advised us to have was the electric plug cover thing, the cover retracts into the body and stops it being snapped off when open and charging, either accidentally or on purpose.

[NicG]

As a 911 driver, my first drive in a Taycan 4S today was very interesting. My brief summary would be that the base 4S is plenty fast enough, rides really well on the 21 inch wheels (much better than my 992 C4S) and is a hoot to punt along back roads unless they are particularly undulating at which point the weight becomes apparent. I’m not a fan of the interior which has gone too far with the button/screen balance, the obvious example being that even the face level air vents can only be adjusted on screen. In my opinion, the 992 has a a much nicer dash both to look at and to use.

You would enjoy driving every time you took it out but the power delivery and lack of drama makes it a bit of a one trick pony and I wouldn’t be tempted to take it out for a drive just for the sake of it. However, that would probably also be true of a Panamera so is probably irrelevant to likely buyers.

[russy01]

NicG said:

As a 911 driver, my first drive in a Taycan 4S today was very interesting. My brief summary would be that the base 4S is plenty fast enough, rides really well on the 21 inch wheels (much better than my 992 C4S) and is a hoot to punt along back roads unless they are particularly undulating at which point the weight becomes apparent. I’m not a fan of the interior which has gone too far with the button/screen balance, the obvious example being that even the face level air vents can only be adjusted on screen. In my opinion, the 992 has a a much nicer dash both to look at and to use.

You would enjoy driving every time you took it out but the power delivery and lack of drama makes it a bit of a one trick pony and I wouldn’t be tempted to take it out for a drive just for the sake of it. However, that would probably also be true of a Panamera so is probably irrelevant to likely buyers.

I’ve still not driven a Taycan, I plan to get a drive later this week.

But either way, my current daily is a 991.1 C2S, which I plan to keep for the weekends. Whilst it’s fresh in your memory do you think there is enough between them (Taycan and 911) to warrant having both?

I believe the Taycan will be faster point to point, but I hope the 3.8 NA and nearly 1000kg weight advantage of the 991 will still tempt me from time to time?

[NicG]

As I mentioned, I wouldn’t feel the urge to take the Taycan out just for the joy of driving, partly because of the lack of engagement in the power source and partly because it is a large 4 door saloon. I definitely would do so with the 911. The Taycan is definitely a more sporty drive than a Macan or Cayenne but is compromised in comparison as a family car. Despite its size, the rear seats feel a little oppressive and the boot is not as large as you might expect and more difficult to access. So depends what you want out of the second vehicle. Perhaps the next gen Macan as a full EV will be the best compromise unless you really want to shell out for a Cross Turismo...

[russy01]

NicG said:

As I mentioned, I wouldn’t feel the urge to take the Taycan out just for the joy of driving, partly because of the lack of engagement in the power source and partly because it is a large 4 door saloon. I definitely would do so with the 911. The Taycan is definitely a more sporty drive than a Macan or Cayenne but is compromised in comparison as a family car. Despite its size, the rear seats feel a little oppressive and the boot is not as large as you might expect and more difficult to access. So depends what you want out of the second vehicle. Perhaps the next gen Macan as a full EV will be the best compromise unless you really want to shell out for a Cross Turismo...

Answers my questions, thanks. I can keep the 911 for the joy of driving (or consider changing this to a 2 seater) and use the CT for commuting and family duties. I think I'll look to change my spec to focus more on the inside, i.e seats, leather, stereo. This way I can draw more of line between the 911 and Taycan.

Macan - doesnt do it for me. Plus as an EV its hardly going to be any cheaper and we dont really need the additional space - we have a campervan for when I need to move a lot of junk around!

[NicG]

Just for accuracy’s sake, I have discovered that the model I drove had the Performance Battery Plus option (contrary to what the dealership told me) which explains why the performance was on a par with my 992.

I have always found Macan’s a surprisingly fun drive, more of an upsized sports car than a downsized Cayenne...

[ds666]

NicG said:

Just for accuracy’s sake, I have discovered that the model I drove had the Performance Battery Plus option (contrary to what the dealership told me) which explains why the performance was on a par with my 992.

I have always found Macan’s a surprisingly fun drive, more of an upsized sports car than a downsized Cayenne...

I drove a taycan with the performance battery plus and was really disappointed with “throttle “ response compared with my I pace . Also the first time I gave it some beans there was an almighty bang from the rear axle ( which I guess was it changing gear )?
The sales assistant didn’t seem very knowledgeable on these cars , apparently the mode selection makes a big difference (sport etc )(??) but they didn’t suggest that during the drive

Edited by ds666 on Wednesday 26th May 10:45

[NicG]

Yes, I tend to agree. The initial step off wasn’t quite as immediate as I was expecting although no lack of go once underway. There did seem to be a distinct ‘kick-down’ if you floored it so perhaps it defaults to the higher gear from rest if it is in ‘normal’ rather than in sport?

[21ATS]

We found a vast difference between the driving modes during our one hour test drive. We were driving a 4S and following a Turbo, we had no difficulty keeping up with the Turbo, it only started to pull away from us on a dual carriageway at the very top end of the speed range.

Normal was relatively sedate, sport upwards was very different, the response being immediate.

AFAIK all the CT's have the higher spec battery, there are no battery options on the Cross Turismo.

Fortunately the dealer we went to was very knowledgable as we had a lot of questions being EV and Porsche virgins!

Edited by 21ATS on Wednesday 26th May 11:40

[ds666]

I wish my drive had explained the modes , mind you there is a limit to what 15 minute test drive demonstrates ...

The Taycan figures are rather distorted by the launch control over boost stats , but with 135ps more I can't see how the Turbo isn't noticeably quicker than the 4s - indeed the 50-75mph drops from 2.3s to 1.9s . ( the only stat without launch )
Can't find any non- launch control launch figures for torque on the Porsche website which would be interesting.

[21ATS]

Last night I did a spec comparison between the 4S we ordered and a Turbo to an indetical spec, the difference was £25k, but closer to £22K with absolute like for like spec as the upgraded interior is built into the turbo price.

For me, there's not £22K's worth of perfomance extra in the Turbo. Oh sure it's quicker. But I think you'd have to be on a drag strip to notice. Real world there seemed very little in it.

[russy01]

21ATS said:

Last night I did a spec comparison between the 4S we ordered and a Turbo to an indetical spec, the difference was £25k, but closer to £22K with absolute like for like spec as the upgraded interior is built into the turbo price.

For me, there's not £22K's worth of perfomance extra in the Turbo. Oh sure it's quicker. But I think you'd have to be on a drag strip to notice. Real world there seemed very little in it.

I did the same. I was hoping the Turbo had more bits that I had specced thrown in, but it didnt. I managed to get it down to approx £20k difference - which is hard to justify imo.

[ds666]

I've gone Turbo as the BIK cost is such a bargain that I doubt it will remain so for long at which point I won't be able to afford it .
My low spec Turbo is £27k more than a 4S and £340pm difference over 3 years

But you are right , it is a big on cost for the perf difference .

Turbo v turbo s has no performance difference other than launch

[21ATS]

We're ordering two of them, so it becomes a £45K difference, which just seemed like too much to pay for us for very little uplift.