GT car too much for the street

[MDL111]

I loved my GT2 Clubsport as a road car. Took it from Austria to Edinburgh in early 2015. Probably did nearly 10k km Dec 14 to March 15 and it felt great. Unfortunately I did crash it (to the day) 4 months after taking delivery ... I really should have bought some Supersports for it, was on my to do list, but thought I'd be fine on the Cup 1s. I also should have learned to drive before getting it, but that is a different story.

Would definitely get another one, but probably not use it as extensively during winter as it did step out when you were not careful. At the moment I am daily driving my 997 RS (daily used loosely as I don't need to go somewhere on a daily basis) and apart from not having aircon (only an issue on the unlimited Autobahn, where the windows need to be up) it is perfectly fine imo - sure you cannot drive it hard / anywhere approaching its limits on the road, but imo it is still more fun than driving a non RS/GT product.

The moments when you are on an empty country road and can string a few corners together in 2nd and 3rd gear makes up for having to use a clutch when you sit in traffic - better enjoy it while we still can

[IMI A]

I used to run my turbo on cup 2 until recently. Different but you'd be in for some interesting 4w drifts around corners if pressing on in mine on that tyre i can't imagine on cup1 I imagine I'd swap ends in turbo let alone GT2. My turbo has swapped ends on me on track in a 70mph corner with traction on and Cup 2 in the dry who knows maybe I hit some coolant

PS I think you would love the GT2 on new P4S edited to say especially in the wet.

Edited by IMI A on Wednesday 30th June 12:19

[Slippydiff]

ttdan said:

And forgetful perhaps? there’s a plethora of buttons in a 997? Mine has three. A trio of buttons. Ok, maybe a quartet if you include the hazard warning switch or even a quintet if you include central locking but 996 has those too. I drove a 997.1 GT3 a couple of weeks ago and it reminded me how civilised a car it was on the road. NVH didn’t enter my head. This is a subjective topic I realise. Hope everyone else does too..

Forgetful ? Possibly. Innumerate ? Hopefully not



If you can recommend something for for the amnesia, it'd be appreciated.
In the meantime, I'd recommend a trip to Specsavers, or this might help more



And yes, you are of course correct, NVH is definitely a subjective matter, still noisy, harsh things though !! But anything with 19" 305/30 section rear tyres, stiff suspension and spherical bearings in its top mounts, will be
I'm not saying they're bad cars, just that the expected improvement in NVH over the 996 iteration didn't materialise.

[braddo]

Slippydiff said:

I'm not saying they're bad cars, just that the expected improvement in NVH over the 996 iteration didn't materialise.

Not sure if improved NVH was on Andreas's to-do list when they were doing the 997 though.

[Jefferson Steelflex]

I posted a few weeks ago on the 718 GT4/Spyder thread that I just couldn't gel with my Spyder, and that remains unchanged.

The only things stopping me from making the call to chop it in are a sense of embarrassment after waiting so long to get one, and the feeling that I should give it more time. Still one of the best cars I've owned and it looks amazing, but it's a compromise with the sort of driving I do.

The thing is, you tell yourself that it is worth it when you only drive 100 miles a week and you need a special car for that one drive a month where you can enjoy yourself. And replacing it is going to be tough, I've been through a few Porkers already to get here...

[Illya Kuryakin]

isaldiri said:

Dr S said:

Whilst they are surely even more fun on track, I still prefer them over the vanilla 911s on the road. It's the sense of connection, directness and raw sensations I love. And they still work very well on long journeys, like the roundtrips to races at the Ring

Would agree with this.

As good as the gt cars feel on track, in all honesty if track driving is the main focus then a proper race car would do the job far better. A modern gt car is capable of fast laptimes but the feel and directness is imo not comparable to an outright track car.

As a car that is fun to drive on the road (although perhaps not as a daily) for road trips and works reasonably well that you can flog on track for a laugh with friends though, they have few equals.

A full on track slag will need trailering to and fro. From experience thats a ball ache. The GT3 is a great compromise. Folkestone/Tunnel/Some Autobahn hooning then a 2 day spanking round the Ring. Done it countless times. fabulous all rounder.

It also carries some serious pedigree. 993/996/997/991. They are all amazing cars.

[MDL111]

Just drove Salzburg to Munich again - pouring rain and then dry for a little while - no other car I would have rather taken than the RS, just something about a manual GT Porsche that is always fun / entertaining - even on “boring” routes

Edit: so much so that I considered if I should get it properly sealed and use it all year round (winter tyres in winter obv) and sell the other cars

[PTT]

Just drive the GT2

[MDL111]

Pic after arrival

[IMI A]

Those GT3 and GT2 both look wicked

[MDL111]

IMI A said:

Those GT3 and GT2 both look wicked

The 3 is a lamb, the 2 not so much I assume (especially on a cold mountain …)

[Hoofy]

Depends on traffic, I suppose, but something 911ish with a Tiptronic box?

[ttdan]

Slippydiff said:

Forgetful ? Possibly. Innumerate ? Hopefully not



If you can recommend something for for the amnesia, it'd be appreciated.
In the meantime, I'd recommend a trip to Specsavers, or this might help more


And yes, you are of course correct, NVH is definitely a subjective matter, still noisy, harsh things though !! But anything with 19" 305/30 section rear tyres, stiff suspension and spherical bearings in its top mounts, will be
I'm not saying they're bad cars, just that the expected improvement in NVH over the 996 iteration didn't materialise.

Weirdly I’m not counting the telephone keypad or the hvac controls ..or the sat nav, not really effecting driving dynamics those.

[Fl0pp3r]

Slippydiff said:

…..added to which the mismatched weighting of the gearshift ruined the driving experience for me (unless you were totally on it).

I like you Slippy, but I can’t let you off this one - mismatched weighting on the 997 GT3 gearshift - excuse me?! :-)

Slippydiff said:

….Sh*t, I think I'm getting old ....

NVH my ass, the older I get the less I hear!

[Fl0pp3r]

MDL111 said:

Pic after arrival

THAT’S what I’m talking about

[Slippydiff]

ttdan said:

Slippydiff said:

Forgetful ? Possibly. Innumerate ? Hopefully not



If you can recommend something for for the amnesia, it'd be appreciated.
In the meantime, I'd recommend a trip to Specsavers, or this might help more


And yes, you are of course correct, NVH is definitely a subjective matter, still noisy, harsh things though !! But anything with 19" 305/30 section rear tyres, stiff suspension and spherical bearings in its top mounts, will be
I'm not saying they're bad cars, just that the expected improvement in NVH over the 996 iteration didn't materialise.

Weirdly I’m not counting the telephone keypad or the hvac controls ..or the sat nav, not really effecting driving dynamics those.

Weirdly, I am. But at no point did I say they affect the driving dynamics, what I said was :

Slippydiff said:

And the 997 dash with it's plethora of buttons was a complete mess

But I stand my comment that they are an aesthetic mess. This looks altogether better :

[Slippydiff]

Slippydiff said:

…..added to which the mismatched weighting of the gearshift ruined the driving experience for me (unless you were totally on it).

Fl0pp3r said:

I like you Slippy, but I can’t let you off this one - mismatched weighting on the 997 GT3 gearshift - excuse me?!

I like you too

It's not the first time I've alluded to the gearshift quality/weight on the Gen 1 GT3 chap, and when I've commented in the past that the throw and weight were out of synch with the other controls, others have concurred.

Both my cars shifts were overly heavy, and baulky. Sure they worked when you were really on it, but at all other times they were far from intuitive (as the 996 GT3 shift is).

I estimate I've driven 5 or possibly 6 997 GT3 RS, all had horrible, notchy/baulky obstructive shifts, many I suspect the result of abuse ...

Out of the 12 or so 997 GT3/RS I've driven over the years, only two had really good shift actions.

I did get the opportunity to sit in another Gen 1 car mid hoon (when I was in my Cayman R) and tried the shift (expecting the worst) but the car had been fitted with Cup cables, and the shift action was truly excellent : short, rifle-bolt like, light and in no way baulky. I've also driven Cunno's car some years ago after it had it's engine rebuilt, that too had a decent shift action.

Don't get me wrong, I've driven the odd 996 GT3 that's had a poor quality shift action too, but they've normally had some ghastly quickshift fitted, or the clutch was well past it's best, or some knuckle dragging neanderthal with zero mechanical sympathy had trashed the synchros, but on the whole a well maintained 996 GT3 that hasn't had its 'box or shift cables abused, is a far nicer shift "out of the box", as ever though, each to their own

Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 30th June 22:41

Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 30th June 22:43

[Fl0pp3r]

Slippydiff said:

Fl0pp3r said:

Slippydiff said:

…..added to which the mismatched weighting of the gearshift ruined the driving experience for me (unless you were totally on it).

I like you Slippy, but I can’t let you off this one - mismatched weighting on the 997 GT3 gearshift - excuse me?! :-)

I like you too

It's not the first time I've alluded to the gearshift quality/weight on the Gen 1 GT3 chap, and when I did comment that that the throw and weight were out of synch with the other controls, other concurred.

Both my cars shifts were overly heavy, and baulky. Sure they worked when you were really on it, but at all other times they were far from intuitive (as the 996 GT3 shift is).

I estimate I've driven 5 or possibly 6 997 GT3 RS, all had horrible, notchy/baulky obstructive shifts, many I suspect the result of abuse ...

Out of the 12 or so 997 GT3/RS I've driven over the years, only two had really good shift actions.

I did get the opportunity to sit in another Gen 1 car mid hoon (when I was in my Cayman R) and tried the shift (expecting the worst) but the car had been fitted with Cup cables, and the shift action was truly excellent. short, rifle-bolt like, light and in no way baulky. I've also driven Cunno's car some years ago after it had it's engine rebuilt, that too had a decent shift action too.

Don't get me wrong, I've driven the odd 996 GT3 that's had a poor quality shift action too, but they've normally had some ghastly quickshift fitted, or the clutch was well past it's best, or some knuckle dragging neanderthal with zero mechanical sympathy had trashed the synchros, but on the whole a well maintained 996 GT3 that hasn't had its 'box or shift cables abused, is a far nicer shift "out of the box", as ever though, each to their own

Ok well, all I can say is once mine’s warmed through, it’s luuuuurvely.

[ttdan]

Fl0pp3r said:

Slippydiff said:

Fl0pp3r said:

Slippydiff said:

…..added to which the mismatched weighting of the gearshift ruined the driving experience for me (unless you were totally on it).

I like you Slippy, but I can’t let you off this one - mismatched weighting on the 997 GT3 gearshift - excuse me?! :-)

I like you too

It's not the first time I've alluded to the gearshift quality/weight on the Gen 1 GT3 chap, and when I did comment that that the throw and weight were out of synch with the other controls, other concurred.

Both my cars shifts were overly heavy, and baulky. Sure they worked when you were really on it, but at all other times they were far from intuitive (as the 996 GT3 shift is).

I estimate I've driven 5 or possibly 6 997 GT3 RS, all had horrible, notchy/baulky obstructive shifts, many I suspect the result of abuse ...

Out of the 12 or so 997 GT3/RS I've driven over the years, only two had really good shift actions.

I did get the opportunity to sit in another Gen 1 car mid hoon (when I was in my Cayman R) and tried the shift (expecting the worst) but the car had been fitted with Cup cables, and the shift action was truly excellent. short, rifle-bolt like, light and in no way baulky. I've also driven Cunno's car some years ago after it had it's engine rebuilt, that too had a decent shift action too.

Don't get me wrong, I've driven the odd 996 GT3 that's had a poor quality shift action too, but they've normally had some ghastly quickshift fitted, or the clutch was well past it's best, or some knuckle dragging neanderthal with zero mechanical sympathy had trashed the synchros, but on the whole a well maintained 996 GT3 that hasn't had its 'box or shift cables abused, is a far nicer shift "out of the box", as ever though, each to their own

Ok well, all I can say is once mine’s warmed through, it’s luuuuurvely.

Mine too.

A well maintained std 997 shifts no better or worse than a well maintained std 996. Throw on 996 is longer. That’s about it.

[Dr S]

PTT said:

Just drive the GT2

Brilliant pic! Love it. If anyone ever needed proof that GT cars are the true Sports Utility Vehicles in the Porsche range