GT car too much for the street

[guyvert1]

Now that is a beauty , what a beast...

[MDL111]

stef1808 said:

Since we're uploading pictures
The GT2 at the nürburgring lindner ferienpark

Lovely - makes me think I want another one ….

[LeroyLoser]

Big porsche day here at the ring tomorrow apparently, must admit i like the latest 911 iteration.

Very close between the AMG GTs & the Porsche GTs now, the black series & pro cars took the win on the straights today, for sound.

[Steve Rance]

Slippydiff said:

Some "daily" Steve. Glad it does what it says on the tin (provide thrills, rather than trying to kill you that is)

Well it’s about as hardcore as it gets but that’s why I bought it. It’s a distilled level of engagement that I really enjoy. On a gentle hoon my 964 is still the car that ticks all of the boxes but the 996 is bonkers. I drive that more

[IMI A]

996 and 997 GT2 by far the nicest looking IMO of the range. So cool. I could not kick those out of bed (or a GT3) for a Boxster or Cayman and I love the mid engined Porsche's. Just look at them



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[Hoofy]

The 996.2 headlights have grown on me. They look aggressive and different but still maintain the traditional round headlight vibe. TBH the 996.1 headlights with the awful orange indicators have also grown on me. This guy painted his standard 996 green and it works so well with the orange highlights: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThatNineElevenGuy/videos

I mean, it's a bit ballsy but it works. I guess you could also do black with orange indicators, and spray the wheels or just the hubs orange!?

[Penguinracer]

I agree that the 996 fried eggs are a grower, but I think they only really work with the more aggressive-looking Turbo & GT cars. On a vanilla C2/C4 they contribute to a blandness & shapelessness- the much maligned "bar of soap" smoothness which lacks tension, aggression or edge.

[Hoofy]

Penguinracer said:

I agree that the 996 fried eggs are a grower, but I think they only really work with the more aggressive-looking Turbo & GT cars. On a vanilla C2/C4 they contribute to a blandness & shapelessness- the much maligned "bar of soap" smoothness which lacks tension, aggression or edge.

Haha "bar of soap" - yes, you're right, it lacks something but in its own way, the 996 bar of soap design has grown on me, too. But this is a thread about the GT cars so as you were.

Edited by Hoofy on Friday 2nd July 10:57

[BrotherMouzone]

Steve Rance said:

Slippydiff said:

Some "daily" Steve. Glad it does what it says on the tin (provide thrills, rather than trying to kill you that is)

Well it’s about as hardcore as it gets but that’s why I bought it. It’s a distilled level of engagement that I really enjoy. On a gentle hoon my 964 is still the car that ticks all of the boxes but the 996 is bonkers. I drive that more

Remind me please Slippy/Steve, what’s the gearing on the Zanzibar? Is it 996 Cup, or 997.2 RS, or something else?

Thanks

[Slippydiff]

BrotherMouzone said:

Remind me please Slippy/Steve, what’s the gearing on the Zanzibar? Is it 996 Cup, or 997.2 RS, or something else?

Thanks

It's fitted with a 996 R/RS/RSR transmission, with a Guard billet diff and 32:8 final drive. Lovely 'box, with ratios perfectly suited to the unrestricted Cup engine.

[IMI A]

I toy with the idea of removing front diff which my indy do to most of their higher powered 911s then give myself a good slap when I remember the almost right angle slip angles 4wd has saved me from. On a slip road I hit diesel and sliding down the slip road looking at the road square on through my drivers window

Traction control saved me. It allows me 15 degree slip angle in sport is fine for me - even a 996 C2 or 986 S with no tc more than enough car for me all depends on skill level. That GT3 sounds fabulous. Slippy made a vid of the sound. Ridiculous maybe the best sounding engine out there this side of a CGT. Still the way a GT2 goes.....

[MDL111]

Drove back from Munich yesterday and went across a couple of mountain roads in the evening

One more pic (I washed some of the dirt off today, wash 1 of 2 per year done … and not well I might add)

[MDL111]

And one more

[Steve Rance]

Slippydiff said:

It's fitted with a 996 R/RS/RSR transmission, with a Guard billet diff and 32:8 final drive. Lovely 'box, with ratios perfectly suited to the unrestricted Cup engine.

The RSR ratios are pretty good for the road actually. long first and second and short from there on. Combined with the short final drive means that even long isn't long. Those who are unhappy with the gearing on modern GT cars should experience this car before making any changes. 470 bhp with that gearing and diff/ chasis set up make for a brutal, unforgiving but intensely rewarding car - but a dangerous one in the wrong hands

Edited by Steve Rance on Saturday 3rd July 12:24

[Slippydiff]

Steve Rance said:

Slippydiff said:

It's fitted with a 996 R/RS/RSR transmission, with a Guard billet diff and 32:8 final drive. Lovely 'box, with ratios perfectly suited to the unrestricted Cup engine.

The RSR ratios are pretty good for the road actually. long first and second and short from there on. Combined with the short final drive means that even long isn't long. Those who are unhappy with the gearing on modern GT cars should experience this car before making any changes. 470 bhp with that gearing and diff/ chasis set up make for a brutal, unforgiving but intensely rewarding car - but a dangerous one in the wrong hands

I always felt it was quite "pedestrian" in 1st and 2nd from a standing start, but once into 3rd, 4th, 5th etc, it really was something else Steve The issue was, just as it was really getting into its stride in those gears, it was getting equally deep into license losing territory...

No doubt the short FD ratio and the closeness of the final four ratios plays to the engine's strengths, but I suspect there was also an element of Wayne's mapping trickery (and specifically the opening closing and phasing of the resonance flaps in the 997 4.0RS/Cup intake plenum) that made it feel almost like it was working more efficiently above 5500 rpm in the higher gears.

[BrotherMouzone]

Slippydiff said:

Steve Rance said:

Slippydiff said:

It's fitted with a 996 R/RS/RSR transmission, with a Guard billet diff and 32:8 final drive. Lovely 'box, with ratios perfectly suited to the unrestricted Cup engine.

The RSR ratios are pretty good for the road actually. long first and second and short from there on. Combined with the short final drive means that even long isn't long. Those who are unhappy with the gearing on modern GT cars should experience this car before making any changes. 470 bhp with that gearing and diff/ chasis set up make for a brutal, unforgiving but intensely rewarding car - but a dangerous one in the wrong hands

I always felt it was quite "pedestrian" in 1st and 2nd from a standing start, but once into 3rd, 4th, 5th etc, it really was something else Steve The issue was, just as it was really getting into its stride in those gears, it was getting equally deep into license losing territory...

No doubt the short FD ratio and the closeness of the final four ratios plays to the engine's strengths, but I suspect there was also an element of Wayne's mapping trickery (and specifically the opening closing and phasing of the resonance flaps in the 997 4.0RS/Cup intake plenum) that made it feel almost like it was working more efficiently above 5500 rpm in the higher gears.

Steve, Slippy

Thanks for that.

Recently I had a passenger ride in a 996.2 with 32/8 final drive, it felt like the car was turned up to 11. 30-110 was electric (we didn’t go faster than that on the day).

Just need to find out the cost of a custom longer 6th for cruising.

[Fnumber1user]

I find it strange that someone would say any car is too much for the street. Surely that's just saying they don't trust themselves to use their car appropriately? A bit like manufacturers imposing speed limiters.

[MDL111]

Instead of too much, I would probably say not all that much fun assuming you stick plus/minus to speed limits and cornering speeds that are acceptable for a road with other users (although I wouldn’t apply that label to a 997 GT2)

[IMI A]

I had fun

[Joscal]

MDL111 said:

Instead of too much, I would probably say not all that much fun assuming you stick plus/minus to speed limits and cornering speeds that are acceptable for a road with other users (although I wouldn’t apply that label to a 997 GT2)

I’d agree with this it depends on where you live, around me the roads are just too busy nowadays and have been ruined by utility companies installing all the cables for modern living. Quite how they get away with digging up perfectly good roads and leaving shoddy repairs is beyond me..

Then there are the speed cameras and dash cam warriors to contend with.