Lots of brand new Porsches immediately available

[silentbrown]

tescor said:

Interestingly, all models are lower than last week, except for Panameras (+7). However, West London has 7 more new cars overall, but the next 3 on the list (Bournemouth, Aberdeen & Wolverhampton) all have less.

Probably a few unlucky owners having to buy something in a hurry following the Luton fire?

[Chemical Ali]

These manufacturers take the piss. My sat nav subscription just ran out - porsche want 130 a year. Never use it anyway but wtf? A subscription for something I've already bought? I will continue to use the phone sat nav.

But seen that bmw are charging 15 a month for heated seats and 10 for heated steering wheel. For something you have already bought.

Arrogance.

[Vroomer]

Chemical Ali said:

But seen that bmw are charging 15 a month for heated seats and 10 for heated steering wheel. For something you have already bought.

Arrogance.

Haven't those plans been dropped?

[Rob P]

Chemical Ali said:

These manufacturers take the piss. My sat nav subscription just ran out - porsche want 130 a year. Never use it anyway but wtf? A subscription for something I've already bought? I will continue to use the phone sat nav.

But seen that bmw are charging 15 a month for heated seats and 10 for heated steering wheel. For something you have already bought.

Arrogance.

Isn’t that just for the update, you can still use the ‘old’ maps?

[981Boxess]

Chemical Ali said:

But seen that bmw are charging 15 a month for heated seats and 10 for heated steering wheel. For something you have already bought.

Arrogance.

I must have been out when that memo did the rounds, please enlighten me?

[silentbrown]

981Boxess said:

I must have been out when that memo did the rounds, please enlighten me?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-62142208

Followed last month by... https://www.forbes.com/sites/alistaircharlton/2023...

[b0rk]

The navigation subscription is for updated maps and realtime traffic over the data connection.

Nav still works fine without the subscription the maps will just slowly get out of date like they used before these things gained online connectivity.

[Chemical Ali]

Nav, yes thought that. Even so, bit stingy. It's an update.

More eye opener was the bmw. Us dropped it. Has uk?

https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/shop/ls/dp/Seat_Heating_S...

[Charlie_1]

Chemical Ali said:

Nav, yes thought that. Even so, bit stingy. It's an update.

More eye opener was the bmw. Us dropped it. Has uk?

https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/shop/ls/dp/Seat_Heating_S...

Wasnt a thing in UK , it was a trial which BMW have decided not to continue with as take up was lower than expected

[Charlie_1]

Chemical Ali said:

These manufacturers take the piss. My sat nav subscription just ran out - porsche want 130 a year. Never use it anyway but wtf? A subscription for something I've already bought? I will continue to use the phone sat nav.

But seen that bmw are charging 15 a month for heated seats and 10 for heated steering wheel. For something you have already bought.

Arrogance.

Struggling to see the problem , if you look at the information when you spec vehicle it tells you that after 24 months there will be a subscription , basically you are getting 2 years for free

[981Boxess]

Charlie_1 said:

Struggling to see the problem , if you look at the information when you spec vehicle it tells you that after 24 months there will be a subscription , basically you are getting 2 years for free

It’s not hard to see how they almost got away with it.

[Chemical Ali]

981Boxess said:

Charlie_1 said:

Struggling to see the problem , if you look at the information when you spec vehicle it tells you that after 24 months there will be a subscription , basically you are getting 2 years for free

It’s not hard to see how they almost got away with it.

Exactly. Surprised anyone would argue they don't see a problem with it.

[Evolved]

Charlie_1 said:

Chemical Ali said:

These manufacturers take the piss. My sat nav subscription just ran out - porsche want 130 a year. Never use it anyway but wtf? A subscription for something I've already bought? I will continue to use the phone sat nav.

But seen that bmw are charging 15 a month for heated seats and 10 for heated steering wheel. For something you have already bought.

Arrogance.

Struggling to see the problem , if you look at the information when you spec vehicle it tells you that after 24 months there will be a subscription , basically you are getting 2 years for free

Your BMW marketing department’s wet dream. How’s that hamster wheel you’re on?!

[DMZ]

Chemical Ali said:

Exactly. Surprised anyone would argue they don't see a problem with it.

You are paying a subscription to get something new. It’s been like this for sat nav maps forever. Yes Google gives it away for free because they monetise your location but Porsche or any other manufacturer does not so they charge for it. You can run with old maps for free obviously, it’s not like they are removing a feature when you stop paying.

[silentbrown]

DMZ said:

Chemical Ali said:

Exactly. Surprised anyone would argue they don't see a problem with it.

You are paying a subscription to get something new....

Yes/No. It's not *just* base map updates: It's all the real-time traffic, satellite maps, etc which aren't really "something new", but something you've had from day #1.

Due to tech churn, cars will typically outlive the back-end systems used to provide all this. For example, Audi have dropped satellite maps on pre-2016 A4's as the Google API has changed...

I suspect the numbers taking up these subscription renewals are fairly small.

[stuckmojo]

Chemical Ali said:

These manufacturers take the piss. My sat nav subscription just ran out - porsche want 130 a year. Never use it anyway but wtf? A subscription for something I've already bought? I will continue to use the phone sat nav.

But seen that bmw are charging 15 a month for heated seats and 10 for heated steering wheel. For something you have already bought.

Arrogance.

live updates, I get it.

Heated seats, turning product into a service is just a horrid way to make revenue.

[Charlie_1]

Evolved said:

Charlie_1 said:

Chemical Ali said:

These manufacturers take the piss. My sat nav subscription just ran out - porsche want 130 a year. Never use it anyway but wtf? A subscription for something I've already bought? I will continue to use the phone sat nav.

But seen that bmw are charging 15 a month for heated seats and 10 for heated steering wheel. For something you have already bought.

Arrogance.

Struggling to see the problem , if you look at the information when you spec vehicle it tells you that after 24 months there will be a subscription , basically you are getting 2 years for free

Your BMW marketing department’s wet dream. How’s that hamster wheel you’re on?!

I know you are trying make a point heaven knows what though

[Snowy999]

I took my PCM out and use my iphone and a pair of Beats!

Result.

[911hope]

Snowy999 said:

I took my PCM out and use my iphone and a pair of Beats!

Result.

Constantly replacing iPhones (or others) on contracts (very expensive finance for the unwary) is a hamster wheel itself.

[s2000db]

The Porsche connected services package and traffic etc is £250/yr, that’s about 4-5 times what BMW charge for the same products (Black Friday deal).
Imo it’s just not worth it, just use CarPlay does everything bar remotely lock your car etc, for nothing.