Lots of brand new Porsches immediately available

Lots of brand new Porsches immediately available

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Chipper

1,314 posts

218 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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There are lots of cars available for near immediate delivery or spec adjustable.

stewieyan

263 posts

99 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Those immediately available ones are still at least 10% over the 'build and wait' price

911hope

2,711 posts

27 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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stewieyan said:
Those immediately available ones are still at least 10% over the 'build and wait' price
And the number available rises every day, as does the number of nearly new.

Buyers are scarce, new car orders are being cancelled. The wait for new is getting shorter...

The "available now" price premium cannot survive



Chipper

1,314 posts

218 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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There is no premium today. One dealer has already indicated discount is possible.

Sidsw

650 posts

86 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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38 new 992 's available today. things not looking good for the opc's unless there is a mad rush for 911's after the summer hols lol

Wills2

22,917 posts

176 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Sidsw said:
38 new 992 's available today. things not looking good for the opc's unless there is a mad rush for 911's after the summer hols lol
I checked 6 and they all appear to be offered at a discount to the configurator price as well like a new Turbo S for £171k vs £180 list.

GT4RS

4,441 posts

198 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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Wills2 said:
Sidsw said:
38 new 992 's available today. things not looking good for the opc's unless there is a mad rush for 911's after the summer hols lol
I checked 6 and they all appear to be offered at a discount to the configurator price as well like a new Turbo S for £171k vs £180 list.
And that’s before you show some real interest and ask for a discount!

Opc will make out they are flying, but they’re still living off the covid back log. They can only do this for so long.

What we are seeing now is cancelled cars dealer have had to pre reg or will eventually have to pre reg. Each opc is committed to taking a certain volume of each version from porsche HQ and this year the opc have higher production volumes to deal with than ever before.

Porsche share holders want max return and that will only come from volume, that mega factory can’t sit still eating profits.

How long before we see 50 plus unregistered new 992 cars available plus god knows how many pre reg cars.

Sidsw

650 posts

86 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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Wills2 said:
I checked 6 and they all appear to be offered at a discount to the configurator price as well like a new Turbo S for £171k vs £180 list.
As mentioned before the config price is for my24 prices so alot of dealers seem to be trying to fleece customers. ones which seem to have discount are probably at my23 or even above. discounts are yet to come

Sidsw

650 posts

86 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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GT4RS said:
And that’s before you show some real interest and ask for a discount!

Opc will make out they are flying, but they’re still living off the covid back log. They can only do this for so long.

What we are seeing now is cancelled cars dealer have had to pre reg or will eventually have to pre reg. Each opc is committed to taking a certain volume of each version from porsche HQ and this year the opc have higher production volumes to deal with than ever before.

Porsche share holders want max return and that will only come from volume, that mega factory can’t sit still eating profits.

How long before we see 50 plus unregistered new 992 cars available plus god knows how many pre reg cars.
I said 60 by mid august, seems to be heading that way. going to be alot of cars in dealer compounds when porsche ag start sending cars built to clear out parts making way for .2 cars.

ChrisW.

6,328 posts

256 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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And then there is the question of what the .2 improvements may be ?


Sidsw

650 posts

86 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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The improvements are barely noticable. Slight bump in power, small exterior changes mainly to front bumber and main one is full digi instrument cluster for driver which may not go down to well with some customers. the rumored hyprid is still a few years away according to most reports isee.

heihei

162 posts

196 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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Anyone know if there are any Macans floating around?

Wills2

22,917 posts

176 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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GT4RS said:
Wills2 said:
Sidsw said:
38 new 992 's available today. things not looking good for the opc's unless there is a mad rush for 911's after the summer hols lol
I checked 6 and they all appear to be offered at a discount to the configurator price as well like a new Turbo S for £171k vs £180 list.
And that’s before you show some real interest and ask for a discount!
Indeed, I remember getting 10% off a 911 back in 2009 when things were tough, that Turbo S has about 5% off it so I guess there is more to come if things don't improve.



ChrisW.

6,328 posts

256 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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Sidsw said:
The improvements are barely noticable. Slight bump in power, small exterior changes mainly to front bumber and main one is full digi instrument cluster for driver which may not go down to well with some customers. the rumored hyprid is still a few years away according to most reports isee.
Thanks ! It will be interesting to see what analogue style instruments are retained higher up the range ..

Sukh13

739 posts

186 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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Sidsw said:
As mentioned before the config price is for my24 prices so alot of dealers seem to be trying to fleece customers. ones which seem to have discount are probably at my23 or even above. discounts are yet to come
Is there a physical difference between a MY23 and MY24 car?

I know list prices have increased, but if the cars are the same, then a comparison of current price to list price should rightly be to current MY24 list price...

Sidsw

650 posts

86 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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Sukh13 said:
Is there a physical difference between a MY23 and MY24 car?

I know list prices have increased, but if the cars are the same, then a comparison of current price to list price should rightly be to current MY24 list price...
I dont think so. my understandin is my24 car prices are for cars ordered now to be delivered sept 24 onwards.
if as is suggested lots of these cars are cancelled orders then they were ordered at my 23 price and had customers proceded then they would be charged my 23 price. therefor the opcs are trying a fast one and now trying to charge my24 prices. not really an issue as they arent really selling anyway lol

av185

18,514 posts

128 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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heihei said:
Anyone know if there are any Macans floating around?
Soon could be just off the Dutch coast depending what happens with the stricken vessel.

franki68

10,417 posts

222 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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Sidsw said:
As mentioned before the config price is for my24 prices so alot of dealers seem to be trying to fleece customers. ones which seem to have discount are probably at my23 or even above. discounts are yet to come
I was told in may I could have a turbo to my spec for July delivery but at the 2024 price increase .

Sukh13

739 posts

186 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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I think the days of OPCs telling customers what they can have are fading.....

Wills2

22,917 posts

176 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2023
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Sukh13 said:
Is there a physical difference between a MY23 and MY24 car?

I know list prices have increased, but if the cars are the same, then a comparison of current price to list price should rightly be to current MY24 list price...
That's my view as well, if there is no difference in the car and there is a difference of 10k on taking the one in stock vs ordering one, seems like a discount to me.