RS day at Oulton 1st March 24
Discussion
ChrisW. said:
Was that the day when after the second attempt to turn-in at Druid's I had to make a big lift to bring the tail around and went around the second part of Druids with only the drivers side wheels still on the circuit ? After which I came in and waved at you as you came past me out of Deers Leap ?
thats the one! was a great session on track - my favourite memory of that day. i was getting chased down by you and pushed along - then let you past to follow you for a few more laps - everything very evenly matched - each car had slightly different ways of getting the same time on those laps. were my fastest times that day at oulton
i carried on to let the car cool down after you pulled into the pits - thought the car needed it after pushing it for that session
Well, if you can find it I would love to see the videos ... I'm not sure if you were close enough to see the lurid recovery at Druids or having seen me kept a respectful distance to check that I was OK ?? 
I'd even be interested to see if it happened as I remembered it ... the last time "time" slowed down like that I was heading backwards over the kerbs through Radillion in the wet at Spa ... with a passenger in the car. A couple of years later I had the opportunity ask him if that was as I remembered ... it was, even down to asking him how far off the wall we were whilst reversing up the Kemmel straight foot on clutch with the engine still running. Thankfully we had missed the wall ... and the "shopping trolley" was recovered without hitting it.
I'd even be interested to see if it happened as I remembered it ... the last time "time" slowed down like that I was heading backwards over the kerbs through Radillion in the wet at Spa ... with a passenger in the car. A couple of years later I had the opportunity ask him if that was as I remembered ... it was, even down to asking him how far off the wall we were whilst reversing up the Kemmel straight foot on clutch with the engine still running. Thankfully we had missed the wall ... and the "shopping trolley" was recovered without hitting it.
Right, found the video
The first one, if I remember correctly, is of the laps just before I let Chris through, he was chasing me
https://youtu.be/D79HxDWbMSk?si=Xh831aJMK1SMwHug
And this second one is when I let him through after druids and followed for a few laps - he was pulling away from me now that I watched it again. Awesome fun, was a brilliant Oulton RS day as always!
https://youtu.be/zd-DiOc22F8?si=CMATTDZj5-smZRhv
The first one, if I remember correctly, is of the laps just before I let Chris through, he was chasing me
https://youtu.be/D79HxDWbMSk?si=Xh831aJMK1SMwHug
And this second one is when I let him through after druids and followed for a few laps - he was pulling away from me now that I watched it again. Awesome fun, was a brilliant Oulton RS day as always!
https://youtu.be/zd-DiOc22F8?si=CMATTDZj5-smZRhv
Oof!! That was a close one! Even though I’ve had two offs at Cascades (one very near miss and one “contact with immovable object”…), Druids is still the corner that scares me the most, for some reason.
Did you understeer off, or the rear let go and have a bit of a tank slapper, Chris?
Did you understeer off, or the rear let go and have a bit of a tank slapper, Chris?
jackwood said:
Oof!! That was a close one! Even though I’ve had two offs at Cascades (one very near miss and one “contact with immovable object”…), Druids is still the corner that scares me the most, for some reason.
Did you understeer off, or the rear let go and have a bit of a tank slapper, Chris?
The car was going well and I was determined to pull out some distance ... the triumph of hope over ability ... the line was good but car just didn't want to turn-in, ... after the second attempt I remember making a big lift which brought the tail around and I was just left to steer my way around the problem. I do remember heading for the black walling beyond the kitty litter for a time, and then I remember my side tracking along the white line .... and then I DON'T remember leisurely driving off the grass !Did you understeer off, or the rear let go and have a bit of a tank slapper, Chris?
Digga said:
ChrisW. said:
Phew ... got away with it again ... and I didn't "quite" keep the drivers side wheels on the track !!
TDT can't get away with that sort of nonsense with all his Manthey carbon fibre underfloor aero kit. Would be like a high speed ploughing contest.(l) MR CF , (r) 4RS Plastic
Full 4RS set installed…
Will polish up the CF batwings - make a nice wall art! lol.
As for near misses at OP… i did actually acquire my ploughing license there on my first visit in 2018. Nice lift through island high speed saw me take a venture into the grass on the inside. Took a bit of a spin and miraculously on the wet autumnal grass, which would normally accelerate you, I managed to get stopped well short of anything solid.
It was a character fortifying experience, for sure!
It was a character fortifying experience, for sure!
ChrisW. said:
The car was going well and I was determined to pull out some distance ... the triumph of hope over ability ... the line was good but car just didn't want to turn-in, ... after the second attempt I remember making a big lift which brought the tail around and I was just left to steer my way around the problem. I do remember heading for the black walling beyond the kitty litter for a time, and then I remember my side tracking along the white line .... and then I DON'T remember leisurely driving off the grass !
Your car was going really well, mine too. Though I was getting some understeer - mostly coming out of knickerbrook - before the run up to druids, so just wasn’t able to stay with you. But that’s a much slower speed/lower consequence/easier to manage corner to get understeer and finding the car just doesn’t want to turn than Druids! I was lucky. Definitely good skill and dealing with the car not doing what you wanted and expected it to do on your part to come out of it like you did I wonder if there are surface changes towards the end of the day that, having been lulled into a sense if invincibility during the afternoon when it is always quieter and faster, catches people out ?
In fairness the essence of racing is to be able to hold the car very close to the physical limitations, hence dealing with slides and the unexpected is an essential part of the confidence to push so hard and each occasion is a learning opportunity. And I have been lucky !
I remember renting a Caterham with a coach at Rockingham. The day was miserably wet in the morning and the front tyres kept firing water from puddles in the apex of corners straight into the cabin. I had imagined that the holes in the bucket seats were to let the water out, miserably not when ones arse is firmly blocking it, this was jettisoned at each braking point straight onto our feet !
I remember pushing on as hard as I dared (it was quite slow) in somewhat zig-zag fashion and my coach was rather disappointed ... we went to buy him some new (dry) trousers at lunchtime. But in the afternoon it dried up and all of a sudden the zig-zags became a much smoother gently sideways in many places as the skills learned in the morning were transferred across to the afternoon session.
I had a great race in the wet at Thruxton ... and posted some time ago a link to the video of driving in the wet at a very very wet Donington where I eventually spun off at the river across the top of Craners (I didn't at the time know it was there !).
In fairness the essence of racing is to be able to hold the car very close to the physical limitations, hence dealing with slides and the unexpected is an essential part of the confidence to push so hard and each occasion is a learning opportunity. And I have been lucky !
I remember renting a Caterham with a coach at Rockingham. The day was miserably wet in the morning and the front tyres kept firing water from puddles in the apex of corners straight into the cabin. I had imagined that the holes in the bucket seats were to let the water out, miserably not when ones arse is firmly blocking it, this was jettisoned at each braking point straight onto our feet !
I remember pushing on as hard as I dared (it was quite slow) in somewhat zig-zag fashion and my coach was rather disappointed ... we went to buy him some new (dry) trousers at lunchtime. But in the afternoon it dried up and all of a sudden the zig-zags became a much smoother gently sideways in many places as the skills learned in the morning were transferred across to the afternoon session.
I had a great race in the wet at Thruxton ... and posted some time ago a link to the video of driving in the wet at a very very wet Donington where I eventually spun off at the river across the top of Craners (I didn't at the time know it was there !).
TDT said:
As for near misses at OP… i did actually acquire my ploughing license there on my first visit in 2018. Nice lift through island high speed saw me take a venture into the grass on the inside. Took a bit of a spin and miraculously on the wet autumnal grass, which would normally accelerate you, I managed to get stopped well short of anything solid.
It was a character fortifying experience, for sure!
It was a character fortifying experience, for sure!
I don't fancy that experience!Thankfully my only spin at Oulton has been going into the knickerbrook chicane too hard on the brakes and doing a slow motion pirouette.
This was my near miss at Cascades.
This was the same day as the 1:58 lap I posted the other day. Just went back and checked and I was running Michelin PS2’s that day. I’d only picked the car up from 911V 12 days earlier…. Would have been a difficult one to explain to the missus if I’d took the nose off on that Armco, lol
Chris, you were pretty lucky there. If you’d gone a little bit deeper in there you could have rolled it. Seen it done there before.
This was the same day as the 1:58 lap I posted the other day. Just went back and checked and I was running Michelin PS2’s that day. I’d only picked the car up from 911V 12 days earlier…. Would have been a difficult one to explain to the missus if I’d took the nose off on that Armco, lol
Chris, you were pretty lucky there. If you’d gone a little bit deeper in there you could have rolled it. Seen it done there before.
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