Autocar : Drivers car of the year

[DanH]

Might be worth picking up if you own a 997 and fancy a bit of journalistic purchase validation ;)

[jjr1]

Did it have PASM or Sports Suspension?

[anniesdad]

I'm also interested in PASM/Sports.

Porsche GB's weapon of choice (silver one) has sports suspension doesn't it?

[abarber]

It has the optional sports suspension, would also be my choice after driving a 997S with PASM at chobham. Seemed to fidget on fast bumpy corners. Perfectly fine at slower speeds / smoother roads though.

[jjr1]

I took a technician out in my 997 with -20mm and he told me that my car drove far better than the PASM which he said bobbed around all over the place. This was also my impression of the PASM when I test drove a 997 and I was worried that my then confirmed order of -20mm would be even worse. Fortunately I found it to ride far better than a PASM in sport mode (father in law let me test his after) and is nowhere near as firm as some would believe.

[DanH]

Interestingly, Chris Harris claims in the article that the C2S with sports suspenion+LSD laps quicker than a 996 GT3. I'm fairly sketpical, but if thats the case its not good news for GT3 residuals!

[steve rance]

I drove a 997 C2S at Bedford. The S Pack needs to be bloody good if it gets the car near a GT3 cos it was miles behind without it.

Steve R

[abarber]

FWIW (probably not much), Evo list the 997S sport pack as 1min 24.6 around Beford West circuit, the GT3 RS at 1min 23.85. Not exactly close, perhaps different drivers, conditions, tyres etc too...

[DanH]

I think maybe he bought the company bullshit about the 997S having 30% more grip than the 996. I don't see how thats possible unless tyre technology has radically evolved and no one mentioned it to the public.

Odd though as he's a reasonably handy driver.

[roshambo]

30% !!! Rollocks.

Ro.

[verysideways]

abarber said:

FWIW (probably not much), Evo list the 997S sport pack as 1min 24.6 around Beford West circuit, the GT3 RS at 1min 23.85. Not exactly close, perhaps different drivers, conditions, tyres etc too...

But that's the RS, maybe the 997S sport pack and 996GT3 (non RS) would be closer?

[jjr1]

steve rance said:

I drove a 997 C2S at Bedford. The S Pack needs to be bloody good if it gets the car near a GT3 cos it was miles behind without it. Steve R

Funny then they both have very close Nurburgring times. The -20mm car is significantly quicker than the standard PASM car around there too.

[abarber]

What tyres are they running?

[DanH]

jjr1 said:

steve rance said: I drove a 997 C2S at Bedford. The S Pack needs to be bloody good if it gets the car near a GT3 cos it was miles behind without it. Steve R Funny then they both have very close Nurburgring times. The -20mm car is significantly quicker than the standard PASM car around there too.

Depends what you call close I guess :

Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 hp (2004), >>> www.manthey-motors.de/nextsh...spdf.asp?id=217

7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Jörg Müller (practice 24hrs race 2003)
7:12 --- 173.600 km/h - Radical SR3 Turbo race car, 320 PS/500 kgs (test drive 07/2003)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h - Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Müller, 24 hrs practice 2002
7:18.01 169.311 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, M. Düchting, sport auto 12/2004, http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?...2&tID=13957

7:19 --- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> www.radicalmotorsport.com/ne...liefe/index.php

7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl,(Autobild July 2004)

7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time Horst Von Saurma (sport auto 01/2004)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 2001) >>> www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html

7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, >>> www.koenigsegg.com/news/arti...=&type=news

7:40* -- 161.217 km/h - Corvette Z06, 505 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen (AutoBild 7/2005) (*mfr.), >>> www.supercars.net/PitLane?vi...0&tID=44953

7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004) >>> www.manthey-motors.de/nextsh...spdf.asp?id=217

7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Röhrl (MOTOR Magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 07/2002)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at >>> www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/200), >>> www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004) www.autobild.de/tuning/testb...artikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)

7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h - Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bre...vx504_1_350.avi

7:52 --- 157.119 km/h - BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg, >>> www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/de...topic_id=731907
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sport auto 12/2003) 7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/2004)

7:54 --- 156.456 km/h - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bPS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?...2&tID=27415

7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/2003)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting "Performance", (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)

[jjr1]

Carrera S -20mm is not even on there ?

[abarber]

From www.funcarsonline.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=95291&page=

Not sure if this is more or less upto date, does show the sport pack and effect of different PASM settings though.

7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo (2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes SLR McLaren (2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)

[anniesdad]

God....is that M3 CSL time correct?

[verysideways]

probably on slicks

[michael_jcws]

anniesdad said:

God....is that M3 CSL time correct?

Yep

Cheers

Michael

[anniesdad]

verysideways said:

probably on slicks

cheating then!