Autocar : Drivers car of the year

[DanH]

Interesting - my list had the Carrera S down for 7.49 where that was the sports chassis version. Its still 4 secs off a GT3 though.

The M3 CSL was on pilot cups (edited, had originally typed sports in a brain fade) which are stickier than even the tyres the GT3 RS ships on as standard. The RS with similar quality tyres got a 7.40.

>> Edited by DanH on Tuesday 27th September 17:57

[stanwan]

I think the CSl ships with Michelin pilot cups - or dimpled slicks. Which makes it absolutely useless/suicidal in british downpour....

[topboss]

Rearrange the following:

of can worms!

Don't forget the lap times are dependant on a whole heap of factors.......don't read too much into them when doing a "like for like" basis.


>> Edited by topboss on Tuesday 27th September 19:28

[steve rance]

The 997 cup car is about a second quicker than the 996. It has more power, better brakes, a sequential gerabox and is lighter. The GT3 is a very close road version of the cup car but the 997S is not. The 997 GT3 will have some of these benefits but almost certainly not the sequential box and electric power steering pump but I would still estimate that it will be about a second quicker than a GT3 Mk2 around a circuit. Is Autocar suggesting that the 997S with sport option is as quick as the 997GT3?

I don't think so. Don't believe the journo hype, it is inverably wrong.

Steve R

[michael_jcws]

stanwan said:

I think the CSl ships with Michelin pilot cups. Which makes it absolutely useless/suicidal in british downpour....

I wouldn't agree there, still very drivable unless you do something stupid.

(Now closing can of worms)

Cheers

Michael

[RR-Eng]

stanwan said:

I think the CSl ships with Michelin pilot cups - or dimpled slicks. Which makes it absolutely useless/suicidal in british downpour....

I think the M3 CSL that managed the 7:50 had a front brake upgrade too (which quite a lot of owners have also done so its sort of fair).

For a long time BMW were trying to get the CSL below 8 minutes. Weather conditions have a big effect on lap times.

Also remmeber that now the times for the Nurburgring are widely discused amongst enthusiasts car manufacturers are all after a super fast N-ring time. Its not exactly hard to give a car a few subtle tweaks to improve its lap time, it not like car manufacteres don't have previous on this...

As a more accurate measure some fairly good drivers have managed to get their own CSL's around the ring in just over 8 minutes BTG.

[DanH]

steve rance said:

The 997 cup car is about a second quicker than the 996. It has more power, better brakes, a sequential gerabox and is lighter. The GT3 is a very close road version of the cup car but the 997S is not. The 997 GT3 will have some of these benefits but almost certainly not the sequential box and electric power steering pump but I would still estimate that it will be about a second quicker than a GT3 Mk2 around a circuit. Is Autocar suggesting that the 997S with sport option is as quick as the 997GT3? I don't think so. Don't believe the journo hype, it is inverably wrong. Steve R

Whats going to give it the extra second a lap if its missing the sequential, electric power steering pump, and will have ABS still? I know they are talking about 400 bhp, but thats not a big step on the 996 GT3 and the 997 is apparently heavier.