993RS for £65k at OPC

[clubsport]

rob05 said:

I still find it hard to believe that these 10year old cars are still comanding this type of money,it really does'nt say alot about the companys current range. I wounder if in 10 years time the 996rs will be up at 65k,i doubt it somehow. Anyway nice car not keen on the colour,better in black. Is anyone buying it then?

Rob, you may have seen a link I posted recently of an 04 GT3 Rs for 65 grand....when we discussed this 993 RS last night I wondered if many buyers with 65 grand to spend would take the 993RS over a Gt3RS??? Not an easy one.

[DanH]

clubsport said:

rob05 said: I still find it hard to believe that these 10year old cars are still comanding this type of money,it really does'nt say alot about the companys current range. I wounder if in 10 years time the 996rs will be up at 65k,i doubt it somehow. Anyway nice car not keen on the colour,better in black. Is anyone buying it then? Rob, you may have seen a link I posted recently of an 04 GT3 Rs for 65 grand....when we discussed this 993 RS last night I wondered if many buyers with 65 grand to spend would take the 993RS over a Gt3RS??? Not an easy one.

Yep be interesting to see. I know which I'd rather have (and voted with my wallet).

[rob05]

For me its easy enough the 996,as an investment i think your spot on,i would'nt like to choose but if i had today i'd go for the 993.
Its proved its staying power where as the 996 has yet to do so.
I love the look of the 996rs and i think it will fair better in the long term than the gt2.
Club i read your profile just wondering what makes you choose a 993 rs over the 996?

[M@H]

clubsport said:

M@H said: ...is that the right spoiler.? (I'm no expert ) Strictly speaking NO.....the standard RS comes with a smaller rear and a less curly (?) front spoiler..The spoiler kit fitted is known as the RSR spoiler kit which was fitted to the RSR version on the continent or 7 of the genuine rhd clubsports made for the UK. The RSR bodykit was an option on the regular RS, I am led to believe that this car was originally supplied with the standard spoilers, assuming the change used genuine Porsche parts it is not neccesarily a bad thing as the option was 3 1/2 grand when new.

Thanks for the most comprehensive answer

[rob05]

What i mean is having had one yourself are you not tempted by the 996Rs?
Can the 993 be really a better drive than the the newer model?

[clubsport]

rob05 said:

For me its easy enough the 996,as an investment i think your spot on,i would'nt like to choose but if i had today i'd go for the 993. Its proved its staying power where as the 996 has yet to do so. I love the look of the 996rs and i think it will fair better in the long term than the gt2. Club i read your profile just wondering what makes you choose a 993 rs over the 996?

Well I've had a few 911' including 993 & 996.....to me the pre 996 cars are before the accountants have come into the game.....I have tracked my (ex) 993RS as hard as I can and next day checked the oil...fine...checked the brakes....used maybe 1-2mm....it is almost as if the car has said to me ..is that your best????
If you track a 993RS in between sessions when everyone else is checking oil, tyres and anything else you can choose to wipe a few flies from the windscreen if you want to be involved

Rob, I am tempted by a 996 Gt3RS, it has the best engine of any car I have ever driven, period and is so much better than the 993RS lump.... although the 993RS packge is altogether better IMHO, etc...what puts me off is that they still have some money to depreciate....sad I know, but I have not lost money on a Porsche over the last 11 years and don't see any reason to change that

To me there is also the sense of history, the pre 996 cars are all pretty much the same dimension and layout...partly it is what you have come to know.

I can see why people buy the 996 versions, they have warranties etc....but having bought a new 996 to my exact spec...I was happy, but within 10 mins of picking it up I knew i would not keep it for long and my next car...indeed next 911 would be a 993 old school car.

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[roygarth]

clubsport said:

is it worth more than 20 grand above a decent lhd RS. Low mileage though.... Be interesing to see how soon it gets snapped up

Can't have comfort seats with Clubsport spoilers...plain daft! So you've either got to spend a couple of grand on standard spoilers or recarro seats! But RHD low mileage is desirable to collector so probably go quick as £65K seems to be dealer retail for RHD up to 30K miles.

Not for me though as I'm not spending £20K more for a LHD converted to RHD!

[gunner]

rest assured this car would come with a comprehensive OPC warranty from one of the only two or three OPC's in the UK still worth its salt.IMO they know what they're doing with these cars in Bristol...

[rob05]

I tend to agree the newer cars do tend to drop to bits quite easly.
A friend of mine had a 993 for sale,he took me out in it,this car had done over 100thmls and not a single rattle my car needs wd40 to all the interior panels every month!
Back to the rs though,from reading posts here from rs owners my understanding is that these cars are meant to be better engine wise?
hence the reason you might be tempted or not?

[clubsport]

Not really, the overall package of the 993 suits me ,,,build quality, braking, running costs, depreciation etc......if someone prefers the 996 GT3RS...fair play,,,at current prices it is not hard to understand.. I know a few people who have owned 993 & 996RS at the same time ..2 of them have sold 996 version and still have the 993RS, one of them still has both and is fanatical about the 996.
I had a new 996 Gt3RS on order last year and cancelled as I couldn't bring myself to sell the 993.....the fact that I had to pay double the 993 value at the time was a factor in this!
When the 997 GT3 & RS versions are out next year as all the values come into one, it will be personal preference whether one chooses a 993 or 996 RS...should be interesting!

[DanH]

I suspect that 996 RS values depend on what form the 997 RSs takes. If it really is the DSG, PASM equipped techno marvel some think, then it may be good news for us 996 RS owners.

I've only met one 993 RS on track, and it didn't seem particularly quick? Was that just gentle driving or is the car not really able to keep pace with more modern kit?

[sjn2004]

For the ignorant, could somebody please explain why this car with ONLY 300bhp on tap is worth so much? Whats so special about them? You could get a 996 GT3 mk2 for the same money or less. On the motorway/slips roads etc, wouldn't it be left standing by most of todays fast cars?

[jcosh]

As always it depends on the car, driver and the track. Generally the 993RS is not as quick as the GT3RS mainly down to to pure horse power. On a tight twisty circuit thre is not much in it - Brands Indy.

Be assured Dan, you will come up against a 993RS that will take you by supprise.

Cheers Jonathan

[rob05]

I'm affraid i see it the same way as you mate,so i guess i fall into ignorant group.

>> Edited by rob05 on Wednesday 2nd November 23:33

[roygarth]

DanH said:

I've only met one 993 RS on track, and it didn't seem particularly quick? Was that just gentle driving or is the car not really able to keep pace with more modern kit?

That was probably me....driving at my limit!

In a straight line MK2GT3/RS will blow 993RS away. But the tighter the circuit the closer the 993RS gets until....A MK2GT3 owning friend and I did a Don Palmer day at Bruntingthorpe. Don max attacked both around a tight handling course, the 993RS was quicker.

[sundiver]

Isn't it just that a lot of people don't want a 996? It's a well-worn discussion and it's down to personal taste of course but it's also down to supply and demand - there are a gazillion good 996s out there and hardly any good 993s...But there are bugger all good 993RSs - I think only around 50 ever made in RHD? - supply and demand again - add in the fact it's done hardly any miles and these things go some way to account for that price, which is high! But you're also not going to flush ~£20k on it in the next year or two which is a given on a similarly priced 996/997.

BTW, I too rate Bristol and Swindon OPC (Dick Lovett) - bought a warranty from them and all good service so far; they also do slightly reduced rates for older model Porsches.

[rob05]

Is that really possible?
Are the guys at porsche that crap that they can't make a newer model perform better than the old one?
I'm affraid i'm not clued up on this subject but i am very interested to know why then you dont see guys using 993s along side 996s in the cup races at the twistier tracks?

[jcosh]

roygarth said:

DanH said: I've only met one 993 RS on track, and it didn't seem particularly quick? Was that just gentle driving or is the car not really able to keep pace with more modern kit? That was probably me....driving at my limit! In a straight line MK2GT3/RS will blow 993RS away. But the tighter the circuit the closer the 993RS gets until....A MK2GT3 owning friend and I did a Don Palmer day at Bruntingthorpe. Don max attacked both around a tight handling course, the 993RS was quicker.

I did the same course in my (ex) GT3RS with Don and given the choice that day I would have opted for the 993 as it is a very tight/twisty course. Mostly second gear as I recall. ?

[rob05]

Ps clubsport,i have re read your posts and i can see that the depreciation is one of the major factors for you when your faced with the 996/993 choice
I think you make a strong case for the 993 at the end of the day.
I'd still like to sample a well sorted 993 if for nothing else aleast i'l be able to give a more valid contribution the thread


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[Glenn McMenamin]

God i want that car !!!!


Just not quite sure about White ??

May need a trip to Bristol this weekend !!!


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