993RS for £65k at OPC
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But it's an interesting point isn't it... should we hold our legendary cars in such high regard with such high price tags when technology advances. An F430 may not have the character or tactility of an F40, but it apparently matches it dynamically in at least some areas. I can remember when it was untouchable, apart from the 959 
Nowadays, you can buy a hot hatch with as much power as the 1979 911 Turbo, off the shelf. And something like a Clio 180 Cup could probably lap any circuit you care to mention faster than a Ferrari 328, which was a 'poster car' of mine.
Are we just becoming a bunch of classic car enthusiasts?
I'm a bit of a luddite myself who'd chose an F50 over an Enzo given the choice, but have we got our blinkers on?
Nowadays, you can buy a hot hatch with as much power as the 1979 911 Turbo, off the shelf. And something like a Clio 180 Cup could probably lap any circuit you care to mention faster than a Ferrari 328, which was a 'poster car' of mine.
Are we just becoming a bunch of classic car enthusiasts?
I'm a bit of a luddite myself who'd chose an F50 over an Enzo given the choice, but have we got our blinkers on?
domster said:
But it's an interesting point isn't it... should we hold our legendary cars in such high regard with such high price tags when technology advances. An F430 may not have the character or tactility of an F40, but it apparently matches it dynamically in at least some areas. I can remember when it was untouchable, apart from the 959
Nowadays, you can buy a hot hatch with as much power as the 1979 911 Turbo, off the shelf. And something like a Clio 180 Cup could probably lap any circuit you care to mention faster than a Ferrari 328, which was a 'poster car' of mine.
Are we just becoming a bunch of classic car enthusiasts?
I'm a bit of a luddite myself who'd chose an F50 over an Enzo given the choice, but have we got our blinkers on?
I think cars like the F40 are genuine pieces of car history, thats what makes them so special. The fact that there are few cars that can match its sheer grunt and visual presence make it even more desirable.
Interesting debate here.
I've owned a 993 (not RS though) and GT3 MK1 but would find it hard to choose between that nice white 993RS and a GT3RS. Think for similar money, I'd go for the GT3RS but there's not much in it *desirability" wise (leaving aside GT3 would pull away on decent track). Tbh, no 911 is ideal for short, twisty circuits or lightweight unless you go back to 1970's. Anything over Exige weight (800kgs) is getting heavy in my book.
On a tangent, the F40 may well be outperformed by 430 in most areas but one is an icon to many, whereas one is merely another fast car. Opening the door and firing up an F40 is the stufff petrolheads dream of. And seeing an F40 on the road is something you don't forget, not something you'd apply to many other fast, new cars.
Summary: Buy 993RS, GT3RS and F40.
I've owned a 993 (not RS though) and GT3 MK1 but would find it hard to choose between that nice white 993RS and a GT3RS. Think for similar money, I'd go for the GT3RS but there's not much in it *desirability" wise (leaving aside GT3 would pull away on decent track). Tbh, no 911 is ideal for short, twisty circuits or lightweight unless you go back to 1970's. Anything over Exige weight (800kgs) is getting heavy in my book.
On a tangent, the F40 may well be outperformed by 430 in most areas but one is an icon to many, whereas one is merely another fast car. Opening the door and firing up an F40 is the stufff petrolheads dream of. And seeing an F40 on the road is something you don't forget, not something you'd apply to many other fast, new cars.
Summary: Buy 993RS, GT3RS and F40.
AL001 said:
Opening the door and firing up an F40 is the stufff petrolheads dream of. And seeing an F40 on the road is something you don't forget, not something you'd apply to many other fast, new cars.
Unless you go to lemans where you can't move for sodding f40s and overtanned idiots trying to do burnouts in them.
Went to have a look at the 993RS there today - I only live two miles away - beautiful! Absolutely immaculate - so much so that I doubt its original paint, but what does that matter. It's absolutely gleaming and looks the business.
But...they also have a 5000 mile 959 in the showroom and a 964 Speedster as well. Yep, it's was an interesting visit! The 964Sp was up at £40k but I think the 959 is only for show - no price displayed...
But...they also have a 5000 mile 959 in the showroom and a 964 Speedster as well. Yep, it's was an interesting visit! The 964Sp was up at £40k but I think the 959 is only for show - no price displayed...
With respect to the turbo... not sure, don't think you would lose much if any money, but you've got to buy right and spend the money to keep it 100%
Don't the the 993RS is even a question of losing money... oersonally expect them to slowly appreciate (nothing special mind) - but again you've got to spend more than what you might gain to keep it mint.
Don't the the 993RS is even a question of losing money... oersonally expect them to slowly appreciate (nothing special mind) - but again you've got to spend more than what you might gain to keep it mint.
Unfortunately for me I'm not sufficiently magnificent of wallet to be a player in this game, however after 3 993s I'm thoroughly in love with the cars, even in their 'base' form. My utter dream car is, predictably, the 993GT2.
The issue I see is that the cars (the GT2 and, to a waffffer-thin smaller degree, the RS) are now so sought after, and thus so damned expensive to acquire, that only the truly wealthy can buy one and *use* it as it was meant to be used.
You guys here taking RS and GT2 993s on track, driving them hard and letting the rest of us know how incredibly great they are - you have my respect... and I'm a grumpy cynical bastard in general.
The 'modern' variants i.e. 996 GT3 and GT3RS have been made in greater quantities, so not only are more financially accessible for 'normal-ish' guys like me, but also give the impression of being less aggro to replace if stacked on a trackday.
I'd be more than a bit nervous slinging my 993GT2 (let's say I win the lottery) hard on track - if I stacked it, would I be able to find a car to replace it? Even if money was truly no object?
As I said, I'm not a player in this game, so perhaps I'm miles off the proper train of thought, but once these driver's cars become 'collector' items at monster prices, wouldn't it be better to get a cheaper, more easily available, standard car and develop it to a similar spec as to the 'real' thing?
A sincere question for those of you here with real 993GT2s who regularly track them - in all honesty, what would you do if you were to comprehensively bin the car? Is it that feasible to simply go out and buy another one? The production numbers seem to suggest otherwise.
The issue I see is that the cars (the GT2 and, to a waffffer-thin smaller degree, the RS) are now so sought after, and thus so damned expensive to acquire, that only the truly wealthy can buy one and *use* it as it was meant to be used.
You guys here taking RS and GT2 993s on track, driving them hard and letting the rest of us know how incredibly great they are - you have my respect... and I'm a grumpy cynical bastard in general.
The 'modern' variants i.e. 996 GT3 and GT3RS have been made in greater quantities, so not only are more financially accessible for 'normal-ish' guys like me, but also give the impression of being less aggro to replace if stacked on a trackday.
I'd be more than a bit nervous slinging my 993GT2 (let's say I win the lottery) hard on track - if I stacked it, would I be able to find a car to replace it? Even if money was truly no object?
As I said, I'm not a player in this game, so perhaps I'm miles off the proper train of thought, but once these driver's cars become 'collector' items at monster prices, wouldn't it be better to get a cheaper, more easily available, standard car and develop it to a similar spec as to the 'real' thing?
A sincere question for those of you here with real 993GT2s who regularly track them - in all honesty, what would you do if you were to comprehensively bin the car? Is it that feasible to simply go out and buy another one? The production numbers seem to suggest otherwise.
Cyberface, this is a thought I have from time to time about tracking the GT2. I know that is something unmentionable happened, it would be virtually impossible to replace with another undamaged, totally original car that I've had from 12k miles.
But, I bought the car specifically to use on track, this is where I derive the pleasure from the car, I drive within my capabilities (mostly!), the car is checked over every time it go's on track, and if anything needs replacing it's done. For instance prior to the 'ring next week, my spanner man said the front a arm bushes were a bit worn and one of the rear roll bar drop links was as well. Change them all I said. You've got to 'over' service them to make sure a £50/£500 part does'nt cost you £100k is you bin it!
I know I could'nt get another, but when you get on track you forget all about the rarity/value/replaceability!
But, I bought the car specifically to use on track, this is where I derive the pleasure from the car, I drive within my capabilities (mostly!), the car is checked over every time it go's on track, and if anything needs replacing it's done. For instance prior to the 'ring next week, my spanner man said the front a arm bushes were a bit worn and one of the rear roll bar drop links was as well. Change them all I said. You've got to 'over' service them to make sure a £50/£500 part does'nt cost you £100k is you bin it!
I know I could'nt get another, but when you get on track you forget all about the rarity/value/replaceability!
The other side of the coin is, whats the point in owning these cars if you don't use them. Keeping them locked in a hypobaric chamber so that someone else can enjoy it in 50 years, or until it falls apart despite best intentions - whats the point in that?
If you believe the doom mongers we won't have any petrol in 10 years!
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