968 advice please

968 advice please

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softinthehead

1,550 posts

240 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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Thom said:
Depends if you refer to "getting old" or "getting worn".
968 side mouldings and rear bumpers do not age well, they go out of shape just like big plastic body parts usually do.
The squarish 80s character of the 944 (at least in turbo/S2 form) ages better than the periodless/dull look of the 968 IMO. Highly depends on colour too.


oi, you saying my bird's ugly?

Paul968

179 posts

245 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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softinthehead said:
i think the VAG vs porsche reference correctly refers to the difference between 924 and 944, not 944 and 968

I think he was refering to the fact that 968s were built directly by Porsche (I've heard they were hand-built - is this true?) as opposed to the 944 which was built on a VAG production line.

Paul

Thom

1,716 posts

248 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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softinthehead said:
oi, you saying my bird's ugly?


Not yours specifically, just a general observation.
However a clean, unmolested Wimbledon green 968 cab will always look better than a thrashed 300k miles old pinkish 944 turbo S

>> Edited by Thom on Friday 4th November 17:16

Thom

1,716 posts

248 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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968 bodyworks were built in Osnabrück by Karmann.
Coupés were directly sent by train to Zuffenhausen for assembly and cabs to ASC who previously built S2 cabs.
There were already robots in Zuffenhausen but a lot of operators remained on the assembly line.

softinthehead

1,550 posts

240 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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los Angeles said:
Thom said:
Highly depends on colour too.
True, although that applies to all cars. Can't stand the light blue 968s or Cabriolets in white, but Softinthehead's is a masterpiece of good taste and clean design. Drool.


LOL! like most ladies of a certain age she does leak a little now and then but I love her all the same!

Thom

1,716 posts

248 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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los Angeles said:
Interesting, and they still stuck the handbrake out of sight.


Time for a new pair of spectacles I suppose ?
Seriously, with that rather wide transmission tunnel I would not have put the handbrake anywhere else.

diver944

1,843 posts

277 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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Emergency handbraking

Methinks you've been watching too many episodes of The Sweeney or Professionals

porsche 993

1,357 posts

248 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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domster said:
In answer to the original question, no.

The 968CS is and will be a classic, but the other models won't be.

The 968 cab is a nice car tho' and plenty cheap enough these days, but it won't appreciate or be highly prized in the future. If you have a speed yellow 968CS with M030 options and low miles today it is probably worth 80-90% of its new cost, and this may climb in the future. In comparison, a 968 cab is probably worth no more than 20% of its new cost.



have to disagree I'm afraid on the CS prices...

Low mileage 968CS RHD immaculate full M030 £15k

Low mileage 968CS LHD immaculate full M030 £14k

both sold in last 3 months (one was mine).

Prices of CS M030 are not even in same stratosphere as they were 12-18 months ago and certainly not 80% of original value.

Not that I care...I made a profit on mine!

Bargain cars for the money though.

Not sure of value of LHD 968 though, especially when RHD boxster 3.2s will be 15-16k soon...

Jason
968s Peoples Front

UK952

764 posts

260 months

Friday 4th November 2005
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Well I prefer the looks of the 944 from most angles though from the front I prefer the 968 lights down to the 944 lights up. My 944 has a 180mph speedo, a 968 hatch and I am not sure the doors and seats are any different to a 968. My 944 was over £42K in 1990 so I think they started building 968's down to a price
Tony

aasc

358 posts

234 months

Saturday 5th November 2005
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Sorry - wasn't provoking water-coolers - I actually have a 944S2 and a 968 & have swapped various parts between the pair (including the wildly over-rated M030 running gear) & therefore surprised at the 80% difference.

Returning to the original post I thisnk there may well be a day when the 968 Cab is a collectors classic - however that day may be a long while coming. At present there seem to be some high-priced 968 cabs around when I'd expect 'most' punters would much rather be in a Boxster for similar (or even less) money.

cuneus

5,963 posts

243 months

Saturday 5th November 2005
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Never mind the classic status

If you want best out of the 44/68 range buy a 944 turbo, spend 2K and you end up with a fastest, lightest best looking car of the lot

Thom

1,716 posts

248 months

Saturday 5th November 2005
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los Angeles said:
And where is the rear hatch on the Boxster, and two extra seats, for luggage storage?


Please stop it, you're getting embarassingly pragmatic

iguana

7,044 posts

261 months

Saturday 5th November 2005
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aasc said:
wildly over-rated M030 running gear


Supprised to hear you say that?

Ive had 2 Mo30 944Ts, 1 = 100k on the suspenion & was fairly worn- fronts on max stiff for road for instance, but still was a decent road car & better controlled than my other non mo30 944s- S2 & lux, other 944T= brand new Mo30 & it was IMHO utterly fantastic on the road, just excellent, even RS 911 lover- clubsport was impressed i think- tho perhaps less so with the big bang power delivery

Chris944_S2

1,919 posts

224 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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Paul968 said:
softinthehead said:
i think the VAG vs porsche reference correctly refers to the difference between 924 and 944, not 944 and 968

I think he was refering to the fact that 968s were built directly by Porsche (I've heard they were hand-built - is this true?) as opposed to the 944 which was built on a VAG production line.

Paul



The last few 944s were built by Porsche and not Audi, I can't recall the exact figures but it was something like 100 Coupes and 500 Cabrios.

Chris944_S2

1,919 posts

224 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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aasc said:
therefore surprised at the 80% difference.


That 80% difference figure was Porsche's official figure when launching the 968. They were initially going to call it 944 S3 but there were so many differences they gave it its own badge.

domster

8,431 posts

271 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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porsche 993 said:

Prices of CS M030 are not even in same stratosphere as they were 12-18 months ago and certainly not 80% of original value.

Jason
968s Peoples Front


To clarify, my original 80% figure talked about a low miles speed yellow example, ie highly collectible. An average miles one in GP white etc will be far cheaper. Likewise low mileage 993RSs are fetching 65k (even in relatively undesirable colours) whereas you could pick up an average miles well-used one for 20k less. Even if the prices have dipped today, give it a decade and I bet a collectible 968CS with all the right bits and history will be worth MORE than it cost new. Which is, incidentally, good for the 968 People's Front

aasc

358 posts

234 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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los Angeles said:
aasc said:
At present there seem to be some high-priced 968 cabs around when I'd expect 'most' punters would much rather be in a Boxster for similar (or even less) money.
And where is the rear hatch on the Boxster, and two extra seats, for luggage storage?


The 968 cab (as I stated as being 'overpriced') only has two seats and no hatch.

Iguana - re. M030 being over-rated - I've no issue with the suspension however the premium put on it by buyers is over-rated in that at 10+ years old it'll need rebuilding/replacing, and there are better full-coilover kits available for much less money that can be fitted for a fraction of the cost of M030 suspension. I'm not sure how well the torsen-LSD would last after 10 years tho - can they be rebuilt - do they need it?

cheers,

softinthehead

1,550 posts

240 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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aasc said:
los Angeles said:
aasc said:
At present there seem to be some high-priced 968 cabs around when I'd expect 'most' punters would much rather be in a Boxster for similar (or even less) money.
And where is the rear hatch on the Boxster, and two extra seats, for luggage storage?


The 968 cab (as I stated as being 'overpriced') only has two seats and no hatch.

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er...funny that, mine has four - happily taking a family of four to the beach. oh yes, and it has a boot big enough for a picnic hamper, four body boards, four wetsuits, towels, a windbreak and rush matting. try that in a boxster.

i spent 18 months looking for a 968cab, as opposed to a boxster, precisely because it DOES have four useable seats (which incidentally are exactly the same size as its coupe brothers.)

aasc

358 posts

234 months

Sunday 6th November 2005
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I'm wrong - thought they were 2-seaters - doh! Bought the hatchback when I could have had the cab - DOH!