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los angeles said:
You're a troublemaker, 993. It's the Naughty Corner for you.
All in jest...I think 2 people may feel really sorry this thread is in the public domain...dirty washing and all that....
Hope its resolved amicablly with a mutual wedgey (don't know why I'm in school playground mode tonight...)
aceparts_com said:
Don't keep us all insuspense! What's the mileage?
See the copy of my email in my first reply post.
993 - it's no problem for me being in the public domain. It was only because, in this pretty close forum, it is pretty obvious that it can only be one of two people who are currently looking for a 911 around the £12-£15k mark, that I had to reply.
I can understand, if James has totally mis-read my last email to him, why he may be a bit peed off. I just don't understand why he didn't ring me and say, "you coming round or what?" ... or email me later that night.
I don't bear grudges ... but I do NEED to find a decent 911! Even the wife has now gone from non-acceptance to arguing about size of boot spoiler
Ok, so it's done 133K - that means it's a good one. My friend has just paid £15K for an 80K mile 964 and he's already on about having the interior sorted (£2K) and the paint dazzed up (£1K). So if those things are both good then it's really only a £10K car.
Any 964 that's done 133K would have had DMF issues way back in it's history and as I'm sure Henry will tell you, buy on condition.
If you can buy one for £13K and don't have to spend anything on it for a year then you've got a bargain!
Fwiw, I bought (many years ago) a 964 cab for £28K, then went to spend another £15K on it over the next 3 years (75K miles).
Any 964 that's done 133K would have had DMF issues way back in it's history and as I'm sure Henry will tell you, buy on condition.
If you can buy one for £13K and don't have to spend anything on it for a year then you've got a bargain!
Fwiw, I bought (many years ago) a 964 cab for £28K, then went to spend another £15K on it over the next 3 years (75K miles).
aceparts_com said:
Ok, so it's done 133K - that means it's a good one.
Very likely - that's why i said in my email
"Like you say, the car is undoubtedly none the worse mechanically, and maybe even better, because of it's prior use."
If it was for a keeper then the mileage would not be so important. It is only the fact that I will need to be able to sell it quickly in the next 6-12 months that makes me want to try and find one below 100k.
James (Slider) I have had time to calm down a bit now after the initial jolt of your post. I'll drop you an email.
al
Burriana, its an emotive subject to all who have experienced it and I guess all the good guys who do things with integrity are fogotten when you have a couple who just piss you around and let you down. This doesnt apply to anyone who has contacted me through PH who to a man have been good to deal with. From the sound of your mails you seem to be one of the good guys too, you can buy my car anytime!
Yeah, Al is indeed a genuine bloke and definitely after a 911. He has a tricky brief to solve tho' - the 12-13k 911 market is a minefield of sub-standard cars, blinged wrecks and the odd absolute goddam bargain.
BergS2 got one... less than 12k 964 C4, top end rebuild, needed a bit of paint for cosmetics, but overall an awesome car to drive and still great condition. There is no way that that is a 10k car if you factor the cost in. It was a bargain at 11.5 or whatever he paid, as it was.
3.2, C2 or whatever, just make sure that you get it inspected. Leave worrying about DMF etc. to someone else. Each car has to be treated on indivicual merits at this price... I could find you a 3.2 that needs loads doing or a 964C2 that needs nothing - and vice versa - and they'd both look shinier than the baubles on henry's xmas tree.
ATB
Dom
BergS2 got one... less than 12k 964 C4, top end rebuild, needed a bit of paint for cosmetics, but overall an awesome car to drive and still great condition. There is no way that that is a 10k car if you factor the cost in. It was a bargain at 11.5 or whatever he paid, as it was.
3.2, C2 or whatever, just make sure that you get it inspected. Leave worrying about DMF etc. to someone else. Each car has to be treated on indivicual merits at this price... I could find you a 3.2 that needs loads doing or a 964C2 that needs nothing - and vice versa - and they'd both look shinier than the baubles on henry's xmas tree.
ATB
Dom
Al,
more pics of my 964 are now on PH classifieds, its LHD and its done bang on 100k (so may not be for you) but it never had a DMF (1989's didn’t I believe) its had a top end rebuild and new clutch has a unique history (captured in 5 or 6 articles in P and 911 world) and is just gorgeous.
www.pistonheads.com/sales/57701.htm
more pics of my 964 are now on PH classifieds, its LHD and its done bang on 100k (so may not be for you) but it never had a DMF (1989's didn’t I believe) its had a top end rebuild and new clutch has a unique history (captured in 5 or 6 articles in P and 911 world) and is just gorgeous.
www.pistonheads.com/sales/57701.htm
Thanks very, I often pop outside just to have a look at them. Just want to get GTS mirrors onto the 928 and to colour code that horrible faded black spoiler and it'll be perfect (both underway). Although purple with a purple trim isnt to everyones taste (some one described it as a bling rapper's motor of choice at the weekend, bloody cheek)
slider2 said:
It's when a person expresses interest in your car, asks you loads of questions, you take the time to send them pictures, write loads about the history of the vehicle
I hate selling cars like most people, but one of the best things to cut down the amount of time answering questions is to take away the need to ask them. Stick the details in the original advert and that includes mileage despite what our resident "King Canute" mileage doesn't matter specialist does on his website
. Especially when advertising a car on PH where you don't pay by the the word. Hopefully the extra material that you've gathered together will be of use next time someone takes an interest in the car. slider2 said:
and you arrange to meet. Then you stay in all afternoon waiting for them and they dont bother to ring or turn up to say they've changed their minds!!! Why do they do that?
No answer to that other than if all arrangements have been made by email be sure to keep checking it for further correspondence. I guess this is an area where confusion can occur if people are only on line during work hours.
If as Burriana thinks the thread is aimed at him then I'd just like to state publicly the guy is known to many on PH, Eurohooners and VMaxers and you will not find anyone who thinks him the sort of mucking scum who doens't turn up to arranged car viewings. I know he is in funds having sold his Ferrari and he has been asking my opinion amongst others on various cars he sees advertised.
BTW Good luck with the sale, Al good luck with the search.
DAZ
>> Edited by dazren on Wednesday 30th November 11:28
[quote=burriana]James' car would have been ideal, great colour combo, and I was genuinely gutted when I saw the mileage.
Since then, having spoken to even more people, and read more reports, I THINK, I need a 3.2 Carrera, Coupe not Targa, less than 85k miles and, RHD preferred unless it a real belter! [/quote
You`re a nutter.
And I mean it in the nicest possible way ! You`re spending 10-13k on a Porsche 911, it`s going to be 15-20 years old, and so you are looking for a car that`s done under 85k miles.
For one thing do the maths, who the hell (outside central London) does 4k miles a year and doesn`t use the car for little journeys that put huge wear on the car per mile. Trust me, the only people out there buying cars of this age and price who give a flying monkeys about the number on the speedo live in North London and don`t give 2 hoots about the service history. They drive around in cars that should really have been crushed several years ago after they were written off for the second time but fortunately they are stupid enough to kid themselves they`ve got a real gem.
The person who buys your car off you when you`ve had your fuss will be buying on price so don`t pay too much for it, but they want a good car. Either that or it will be a dealer like me who saves everyone the hassle and strikes out a cheque in 20 minutes, assuming of course it doesn`t fall into the catagory outlined above.
You have to distance Porsches from TVR / Ferrari / Lotus hobby cars and understand that whilst 10-13k will buy a nearly new example of many marques in the Porsche 911 world unfortunately it still buys a very old car.
Forget the 85k miles (why 85 anyway ?) and BUY ON CONDITION. Not how many owners, not how many bills come with the car, not how long the last chap had it, not how old the last chap was, not how much money the last chap earned a year, not where the last chap lived and not how many miles the car`s done. You need to know how much work the car`s done and none of those things tell you. You need to look at the car and know what you`re looking at.
If you do want a low mileage 3.2 Coupe we currently have probably one of the best examples in the country for sale. Circa 65k miles. The problem is that car will make £16k, not 12. The reason for that is we will sell it to someone prepared to pay a premium for the number on the speedo. You need a car that carries no premium and is priced solely on it`s merits.
Henry.
Since then, having spoken to even more people, and read more reports, I THINK, I need a 3.2 Carrera, Coupe not Targa, less than 85k miles and, RHD preferred unless it a real belter! [/quote
You`re a nutter.
And I mean it in the nicest possible way ! You`re spending 10-13k on a Porsche 911, it`s going to be 15-20 years old, and so you are looking for a car that`s done under 85k miles.
For one thing do the maths, who the hell (outside central London) does 4k miles a year and doesn`t use the car for little journeys that put huge wear on the car per mile. Trust me, the only people out there buying cars of this age and price who give a flying monkeys about the number on the speedo live in North London and don`t give 2 hoots about the service history. They drive around in cars that should really have been crushed several years ago after they were written off for the second time but fortunately they are stupid enough to kid themselves they`ve got a real gem.
The person who buys your car off you when you`ve had your fuss will be buying on price so don`t pay too much for it, but they want a good car. Either that or it will be a dealer like me who saves everyone the hassle and strikes out a cheque in 20 minutes, assuming of course it doesn`t fall into the catagory outlined above.
You have to distance Porsches from TVR / Ferrari / Lotus hobby cars and understand that whilst 10-13k will buy a nearly new example of many marques in the Porsche 911 world unfortunately it still buys a very old car.
Forget the 85k miles (why 85 anyway ?) and BUY ON CONDITION. Not how many owners, not how many bills come with the car, not how long the last chap had it, not how old the last chap was, not how much money the last chap earned a year, not where the last chap lived and not how many miles the car`s done. You need to know how much work the car`s done and none of those things tell you. You need to look at the car and know what you`re looking at.
If you do want a low mileage 3.2 Coupe we currently have probably one of the best examples in the country for sale. Circa 65k miles. The problem is that car will make £16k, not 12. The reason for that is we will sell it to someone prepared to pay a premium for the number on the speedo. You need a car that carries no premium and is priced solely on it`s merits.
Henry.
Thanks for all the support guys - much appreciated. I emailed James this morning and hope that he doesn't still think so badly of me as he appeared to yesterday
ah, I see we must have met
The guide is around £12k but I would go up to £15k for the right (in my eyes) car.
I wish could believe that.
Because 85k allows me a year of weekend driving without it going over 100k.
My problem is that I am too fussy about what, in many peoples eyes, are unimportant things, like colour combo, spoiler v no spoiler, turbo body v no turbo body. Even though it is only a £12-15k car, it still has to make my eyes light up when I walk into the garage. I still need to get a rush out of driving it through town, it still needs to make a statement. That's why I'm afraid your car is not really to my taste Hodges, though a great car it undoubtedly is, a dark green 911 just doesn't do it for me.
Maybe I am worried unecessarily about mileage - but the guy I sell it to will probably be like me, maybe his first 911, doesn't appreciate that mileage is no problem with these cars ... 100k is still a pretty big milestone to get your head around.
Please bear with me guys, I'll try not to ask too many more numpty questions but honestly, all the comments and different viewpoints are sinking in.
One more - how much should you deduct from the expected RHD price for it being LHD. With a Ferrari 348 you can say about £4k difference on a £30k car. Does this factor down to £2k on a £15k 911? And is there a healthy market for LHD (honest answers please you left hookers!)
Cheers all.
al
henry-f said:
You`re a nutter.
ah, I see we must have met
henry-f said:
You`re spending 10-13k on a Porsche 911, it`s going to be 15-20 years old, and so you are looking for a car that`s done under 85k miles.
The guide is around £12k but I would go up to £15k for the right (in my eyes) car.
henry-f said:
Trust me, the only people out there buying cars of this age and price who give a flying monkeys about the number on the speedo live in North London and don`t give 2 hoots about the service history.
I wish could believe that.
henry-f said:
Forget the 85k miles (why 85 anyway ?)
Because 85k allows me a year of weekend driving without it going over 100k.
My problem is that I am too fussy about what, in many peoples eyes, are unimportant things, like colour combo, spoiler v no spoiler, turbo body v no turbo body. Even though it is only a £12-15k car, it still has to make my eyes light up when I walk into the garage. I still need to get a rush out of driving it through town, it still needs to make a statement. That's why I'm afraid your car is not really to my taste Hodges, though a great car it undoubtedly is, a dark green 911 just doesn't do it for me.
Maybe I am worried unecessarily about mileage - but the guy I sell it to will probably be like me, maybe his first 911, doesn't appreciate that mileage is no problem with these cars ... 100k is still a pretty big milestone to get your head around.
Please bear with me guys, I'll try not to ask too many more numpty questions but honestly, all the comments and different viewpoints are sinking in.
One more - how much should you deduct from the expected RHD price for it being LHD. With a Ferrari 348 you can say about £4k difference on a £30k car. Does this factor down to £2k on a £15k 911? And is there a healthy market for LHD (honest answers please you left hookers!)
Cheers all.
al
have to say I agree with Henry almost in entirety. one tiny bugbear though....this is by far the first time he has ranted (very cogently) at length about "buy on condition" and yet we see with monotonous regularity that henry's low mileage cars do attract a higher premium (just like at every other dealer) because, by his own admission, people are prepared to pay more for them. Oh, so mileage is relevant after all
talk about having your cake and eating it.....
c'mon henry, if you truly believe what you are saying, lets see a good condition 964s on the site with 60k on the clock, for the same price as your 100K+ milers, and put in your blurb for the 60k miler "reduced price, probably has excessive engine wear from too many short trips to Tesco".
then you can claim the title "the Pope John Paul of Porsches"
talk about having your cake and eating it.....
c'mon henry, if you truly believe what you are saying, lets see a good condition 964s on the site with 60k on the clock, for the same price as your 100K+ milers, and put in your blurb for the 60k miler "reduced price, probably has excessive engine wear from too many short trips to Tesco".
then you can claim the title "the Pope John Paul of Porsches"
softinthehead said:
c'mon henry, if you truly believe what you are saying, lets see a good condition 964s on the site with 60k on the clock, for the same price as your 100K+ milers, and put in your blurb for the 60k miler "reduced price, probably has excessive engine wear from too many short trips to Tesco".
then you can claim the title "the Pope John Paul of Porsches"
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