RE: Porsche GT3 (997)
Discussion
DanH said:
My RS was 67k 2 months ago, from an OPC.
>> Edited by nevetas on Tuesday 4th April 14:38
Hmm........ only £10k less than new GT3 seems a lot to me - particularly as I hear the GT3 is quicker round a circuit. On the other hand the current RS is truly a beautiful thing and the £10k saving would pay for quite a few mods.
Where did you hear the new GT3 is quicker around the circuit? Fastest ring time from an RS is 7.40 driven by Fredrik Ekblom. RSs make 400bhp and are lighter than the new car. Gearing is better in the new car though.
I don't doubt the new RS will post a faster time, but I'd be surprised if the cooking model does.
I was told - by Porsche - that lap time for completely standard GT3RS is approx. 7.47 (dependent on track temp etc.) Time for standard GT3 7.53. So, given the new car is meant to be 12 secs a lap quicker than current GT3 it's going to be quicker than RS. Don't forget it's on super trick new tyres.
Testers also reckon it's quicker at 'Ring on standard PASM setting rather than stiff. Mind you it's all a bit accademic really - I've only managed to squeeze an 8.00 out of a GT3 round there!!!!!!!!!! How about you????
www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=baca68fdbd91e4c0a5b5fce4528fc84f&threadid=5577&perpage=17&pagenumber=1
p.s. big ring time list here - www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&bottom=0 - dunno why the good RS time is classified as race car, as it wasn't, it was stock.
>> Edited by DanH on Tuesday 4th April 19:32
lol, not been to the ring, although I've definitely done a 7.30 if anyone asks
To be honest all this stuff is marketing fluff and you pays your money and makes your choice. I'm unconvinced that the standard 997GT3 will be quicker than an RS on track but in the end what does it matter its going to be a small difference whatever. I guess the hockenheim time may be more interesting anyway since its a more normal track than the ring which as you point out doesn't like overly stiff cars.
On the price front, low end for an RS seems to be mid 60s. A new GT3 specced up is going to be mid to late 80s. Thats a fair difference...
Think my GT3 is going to come out at low £80's - club sport spec plus sat.nav. and little else. Still, could do a lot with £20k difference - mods AND loads of trips to the 'Ring. Agree re Hockenheim if we're comparing them as track cars. 'Ring is prob. more rep. of road abilities. Again agree just buy which you want and and forget about those few seconds. In process of bargaining of an RS now so new kitchen may need to make way for bigger garage! Been suprised how quickly OPC's will drop on advertised prices of RS - looking at two both less than 5000k miles both down to very little over £60k
Interesting on the RS prices. Far less around than there were when I bought in Aug/Sept. Prices seemed to firm up so very surprised they are willing to go low 60s. Couple of others are looking to buy at the moment and don't seem to have found the cars you are referring to! OPC ones are mid 70s... Where are the cars you are looking at?
If you can get one for low 60s I'd buy it unless you really need the extra road comfort the new one is presumed to offer. With the extra 20k you could get the Manthey 3.9 engine upgrade and their suspension. I have no doubt which would be quicker
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 5th April 17:32
If you can get one for low 60s I'd buy it unless you really need the extra road comfort the new one is presumed to offer. With the extra 20k you could get the Manthey 3.9 engine upgrade and their suspension. I have no doubt which would be quicker
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 5th April 17:32
DanH said:
Interesting on the RS prices. Far less around than there were when I bought in Aug/Sept. Prices seemed to firm up so very surprised they are willing to go low 60s. Couple of others are looking to buy at the moment and don't seem to have found the cars you are referring to! OPC ones are mid 70s... Where are the cars you are looking at?
If you can get one for low 60s I'd buy it unless you really need the extra road comfort the new one is presumed to offer. With the extra 20k you could get the Manthey 3.9 engine upgrade and their suspension. I have no doubt which would be quicker
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 5th April 17:32
Those are genuine prices - both chased me this afternoon! Rather not say which dealers at mo. for obvious reasons but I get the impression one, if not both, are 'brokering' on customers behalf. Leaving them to sweat while away for a few days. May be besoted owner of RS on return next week next week!
sammy said:
Interesting on the RS prices. Far less around than there were when I bought in Aug/Sept. Prices seemed to firm up so very surprised they are willing to go low 60s. Couple of others are looking to buy at the moment and don't seem to have found the cars you are referring to! OPC ones are mid 70s... Where are the cars you are looking at?
If you can get one for low 60s I'd buy it unless you really need the extra road comfort the new one is presumed to offer. With the extra 20k you could get the Manthey 3.9 engine upgrade and their suspension. I have no doubt which would be quicker
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 5th April 17:32
Those are genuine prices - both chased me this afternoon! Rather not say which dealers at mo. for obvious reasons but I get the impression one, if not both, are 'brokering' on customers behalf. Leaving them to sweat while away for a few days. May be besoted owner of RS on return next week next week!
Ah well I suspect you may have some competition! Of course if you really want a performance bargain, the best choice would be a mk2 with the manthey upgrades. Now that would be quick, and save wasting another 10k+ on the RS extras which would be partly being removed anyway.
DanH said:
Interesting on the RS prices. Far less around than there were when I bought in Aug/Sept. Prices seemed to firm up so very surprised they are willing to go low 60s. Couple of others are looking to buy at the moment and don't seem to have found the cars you are referring to! OPC ones are mid 70s... Where are the cars you are looking at?
If you can get one for low 60s I'd buy it unless you really need the extra road comfort the new one is presumed to offer. With the extra 20k you could get the Manthey 3.9 engine upgrade and their suspension. I have no doubt which would be quicker
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 5th April 17:32
Those are genuine prices - both chased me this afternoon! Rather not say which dealers at mo. for obvious reasons but I get the impression one, if not both, are 'brokering' on customers behalf. Leaving them to sweat while away for a few days. May be besoted owner of RS on return next week next week!
Ah well I suspect you may have some competition! Of course if you really want a performance bargain, the best choice would be a mk2 with the manthey upgrades. Now that would be quick, and save wasting another 10k+ on the RS extras which would be partly being removed anyway.
Oh dear - you make it sound v. tempting, trouble is I know diddly squat about tuning these things - only had a BoxsterS and then more recently a 997S. Can you elaborate on these Manthey bods or pass on contact info perhaps.
Dealer has contacted me to say I can choose which tyres for new GT3 - Michelin or Pirellis - apparently the Pirellis will be even more track biased and not recommended for road - sounds like BMW CSL all over again.
The michellin pilot sport cups are more track biased unless they've done something funny for OEM fitment. Crap in standing water...
Manthey are a german based tuning company that can enlarge a GT3 motor to 3.9l giving 440bhp and wads of torque for about 26k Eur. They also offer some very nice suspension for 2-3k GBP as well. A GT3 mk2 with that lot would be a very quick piece of kit. JZ Machtech are the UK supplier, although I'm not sure if they undertake the engine mods. There is more info here :
www.manthey-motors.de/mainframe.asp?lang=de&e1=155
DanH said:
The michellin pilot sport cups are more track biased unless they've done something funny for OEM fitment. Crap in standing water...
Manthey are a german based tuning company that can enlarge a GT3 motor to 3.9l giving 440bhp and wads of torque for about 26k Eur. They also offer some very nice suspension for 2-3k GBP as well. A GT3 mk2 with that lot would be a very quick piece of kit. JZ Machtech are the UK supplier, although I'm not sure if they undertake the engine mods. There is more info here :
www.manthey-motors.de/mainframe.asp?lang=de&e1=155
The Manthey 440 may be a bit extreme, as it needs a rebuild every 40hours or so, depending
on track/road usage.
This is what Manthey told me when i was out there a few weeks ago.
The 410 should be ample, and is every bit as usable as a standard car.
Suspension mods are the ones to do 1st, as they transform the car.
G.
glenn mcmenamin said:
The michellin pilot sport cups are more track biased unless they've done something funny for OEM fitment. Crap in standing water...
Manthey are a german based tuning company that can enlarge a GT3 motor to 3.9l giving 440bhp and wads of torque for about 26k Eur. They also offer some very nice suspension for 2-3k GBP as well. A GT3 mk2 with that lot would be a very quick piece of kit. JZ Machtech are the UK supplier, although I'm not sure if they undertake the engine mods. There is more info here :
www.manthey-motors.de/mainframe.asp?lang=de&e1=155
The Manthey 440 may be a bit extreme, as it needs a rebuild every 40hours or so, depending
on track/road usage.
This is what Manthey told me when i was out there a few weeks ago.
The 410 should be ample, and is every bit as usable as a standard car.
Suspension mods are the ones to do 1st, as they transform the car.
G.
There you go, hitting me wit do's negative waves again moriarty
Think Positive thoughts baby
D.
p.s. probably not much point modding an RS to 410 since they already do 400.
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 5th April 23:04
DanH said:
The michellin pilot sport cups are more track biased unless they've done something funny for OEM fitment. Crap in standing water...
Manthey are a german based tuning company that can enlarge a GT3 motor to 3.9l giving 440bhp and wads of torque for about 26k Eur. They also offer some very nice suspension for 2-3k GBP as well. A GT3 mk2 with that lot would be a very quick piece of kit. JZ Machtech are the UK supplier, although I'm not sure if they undertake the engine mods. There is more info here :
www.manthey-motors.de/mainframe.asp?lang=de&e1=155
DanH said:
The michellin pilot sport cups are more track biased unless they've done something funny for OEM fitment. Crap in standing water...
Manthey are a german based tuning company that can enlarge a GT3 motor to 3.9l giving 440bhp and wads of torque for about 26k Eur. They also offer some very nice suspension for 2-3k GBP as well. A GT3 mk2 with that lot would be a very quick piece of kit. JZ Machtech are the UK supplier, although I'm not sure if they undertake the engine mods. There is more info here :
www.manthey-motors.de/mainframe.asp?lang=de&e1=155
The Manthey 440 may be a bit extreme, as it needs a rebuild every 40hours or so, depending
on track/road usage.
This is what Manthey told me when i was out there a few weeks ago.
The 410 should be ample, and is every bit as usable as a standard car.
Suspension mods are the ones to do 1st, as they transform the car.
G.
There you go, hitting me wit do's negative waves again moriarty
Think Positive thoughts baby
D.
p.s. probably not much point modding an RS to 410 since they already do 400.
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 5th April 23:04
It's the torque though baby, 327lb, and flat curve on mine...................
bund said:
Can someone just briefly explain to me why they think the price difference between the Gt3 and Turbo for the sports chrono plus package option is about £700 different. They seem to say they do the same.
Might have got this wrong but isn't the new Turbo going to have a brief overboost facility? - perhaps it's something to do with that?
glenn mcmenamin said:
The michellin pilot sport cups are more track biased unless they've done something funny for OEM fitment. Crap in standing water...
Manthey are a german based tuning company that can enlarge a GT3 motor to 3.9l giving 440bhp and wads of torque for about 26k Eur. They also offer some very nice suspension for 2-3k GBP as well. A GT3 mk2 with that lot would be a very quick piece of kit. JZ Machtech are the UK supplier, although I'm not sure if they undertake the engine mods. There is more info here :
www.manthey-motors.de/mainframe.asp?lang=de&e1=155
The Manthey 440 may be a bit extreme, as it needs a rebuild every 40hours or so, depending
on track/road usage.
This is what Manthey told me when i was out there a few weeks ago.
Thanks for info
The 410 should be ample, and is every bit as usable as a standard car.
Suspension mods are the ones to do 1st, as they transform the car.
G.
There you go, hitting me wit do's negative waves again moriarty
Think Positive thoughts baby
D.
p.s. probably not much point modding an RS to 410 since they already do 400.
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 5th April 23:04
It's the torque though baby, 327lb, and flat curve on mine...................
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