RE: Porsche GT3 RS revealed
Discussion
DanH said:Yes. Would it be too cynical to ask if perhaps they're trying to stop too many people asking to swap orders from GT3 to GT3RS - I know my dealer is complaining that he still has a lot of 'fence sitters' at mo.
So, I'm sitting in my new, White, 997GT3 ClubSport - £86k, Non PCCB - and the salesman tries to entice me with a £98k RS (there's bound to be options). After telling me it's 20kgs lighter he's going to be a bit stumped for extra ammo. to pursuade me with isn't he? I think Porsche have shot themselves in the foot using white for their GT3 brochures aswell. I can see me either keeping my current RS or flogging it if the GT3 turns out to be good - what I can't see is going to the new RS - unless there's more to be revealed...........
>> Edited by sammy on Tuesday 30th May 13:18
Looking at the spec sheet it doesn't seem that compelling does it :
www.porschecentrumeindhoven.nl/porsche_centrum_eindhoven_actueel_nieuws/997_gt3_rs_technische_vergelijking.pdf
Doesn't even seem to offer much more than the 996 RS? I too am wondering if there is more to be revealed.
Glad to see Porsche are continuing their policy of raping the RS heritage to extract maximum dosh out of punters. Not even a hint of subtlety this time about it. Sorry but this is even more of an accountants motor than the last one and yer mugs if any of you stump up for one.
"Look, look Mr Punter, it is even in classic '73 2.7RS Orange, therefore it *must* be a genuine modern RS, see?"
Come on, someone else must be seeing this argument by now? They *saved* 20kgs? What did they do...chuck out the PCM and the handset?
"Look, look Mr Punter, it is even in classic '73 2.7RS Orange, therefore it *must* be a genuine modern RS, see?"
Come on, someone else must be seeing this argument by now? They *saved* 20kgs? What did they do...chuck out the PCM and the handset?
I believe it too was black & orange. Anybody have a picture?
Maybe they are leaving some room for an RSR with bigger engine? After all these mdoels have come out fairly close together, I thought there was a bit of a wait in between 996 versions, doesn't seem that long ago the 996 GT3 RS was released. I assume the 997 model is to run for another few years at least, what else do they have to keep interest fresh? Maybe a mid life update but thats all I can think of.
r988 said:
Maybe they are leaving some room for an RSR with bigger engine? After all these mdoels have come out fairly close together, I thought there was a bit of a wait in between 996 versions, doesn't seem that long ago the 996 GT3 RS was released. I assume the 997 model is to run for another few years at least, what else do they have to keep interest fresh? Maybe a mid life update but thats all I can think of.
I'd have to agree that they may be leaving a little something extra to go into a facelift. Either that or as others have said, not all the details are out. As far as it being so close to the 997 GT3, thats hardly a bad thing because the GT3 is so damn good to start with! And I do believe this car will be demonstratably quicker and is the one I'd spend my money on!
Peter
peanutjb said:
As far as it being so close to the 997 GT3, thats hardly a bad thing because the GT3 is so damn good to start with! And I do believe this car will be demonstratably quicker and is the one I'd spend my money on!
In terms of specs there's supposed to be some (small) change to the suspension set-up as well. Well, the RS badge might only stand for a wider back-end and the option of getting that tasty orange colour...
>> Edited by Dr S on Tuesday 30th May 14:21
johnfm said:In addition to wider track I believe the 4S body is also stiffer - the Standard GT3 will also use this so no advantage to the RS there.
:quote: uses the same wide body as Carrera 4 / 4S :quote:
why use a wide body? i assume it's heavier that the narrow bodied c2 and isn't the idea to lose weight?
Wider track
DanH said:
Looking at the spec sheet it doesn't seem that compelling does it :
www.porschecentrumeindhoven.nl/porsche_centrum_eindhoven_actueel_nieuws/997_gt3_rs_technische_vergelijking.pdf
Doesn't even seem to offer much more than the 996 RS? I too am wondering if there is more to be revealed.
Interesting site. The 996 RS weighs 15kg less than the 997 variant, possibly meaning that the extra weight must be down to the PASM perhaps? Accordingly, the faster 'ring time must be down to the same piece of hardware, and the slightly wider rear rubber.
I imagine the the 997 would be a slightly better drive than the 996, going on how much the boggo 3 is being praised by the press.
>> Edited by _VTEC_ on Tuesday 30th May 16:52
the PASM on the GT3 was a waste of time at the ring as they set a 3 second quicker time with the normal mode on with sport being too harsh.
I think the GT3 RS will be a cracking piece of kit but I think the problem is - how do you improve on what is already a stonking car ? It may be better - but is it that much better ??? Is it £40k better ? Of course it isnt !
The money argument is so true when 996's values have dropped like a stone - something I get the feeling Porsche are trying to do something about with their strict vetting criteria with the 997 'sports models'.
I think the GT3 CS would be the better option but then the RS does have the whole rarity to it.
have they changed all the geometry and set up on the RS over the GT3 which gave it the nervous yet unreal feel on the road like in the 996?
Dc
I think the GT3 RS will be a cracking piece of kit but I think the problem is - how do you improve on what is already a stonking car ? It may be better - but is it that much better ??? Is it £40k better ? Of course it isnt !
The money argument is so true when 996's values have dropped like a stone - something I get the feeling Porsche are trying to do something about with their strict vetting criteria with the 997 'sports models'.
I think the GT3 CS would be the better option but then the RS does have the whole rarity to it.
have they changed all the geometry and set up on the RS over the GT3 which gave it the nervous yet unreal feel on the road like in the 996?
Dc
the RS has the £3k carbon seats as std
If it does have PCCB the £14k premium could be more justifiable although as PCCB saves 8kg (?) surely this would have been mentioned as one of the weight-saving measures? Will hardcore trackers at which the RS is aimed actually want PCCB given the history?
then there is the er..... flywheel?
A bigger summary nicked off another site is below - intersting paint choices imply white not a std or normal option?!?!?
Sporting Porsche 911 GT3 RS unleashed for road and track
In October, Porsche will launch the new 911 GT3 RS in the UK. The GT3 RS is distinguished by its performance capability and an unadulterated driving experience similar to that of a racing car. But while particularly suited for use on the track, the car also meets all requirements for road-legal sports cars.
The reference "RS" will quicken the pulse of Porsche connoisseurs. Models such as the legendary Carrera RS 2.7 of 1972 and the 1991 Type 964 911 RS were also sports cars that stood out on account of their extreme degree of maneuverability and handling. That tradition is continued with the new 911 GT3 RS. In common with its predecessors, it provides an homologation model for use in a range of racing series.
The exceptionally powerful, normally aspirated engine boasts a displacement of 3.6-litres to generate 305kW (415 bhp) at 7,600rpm. Maximum revs are reached at 8,400rpm. The power output per litre of engine capacity is 115.3 bhp. These figures are shared with the recently-announced 911 GT3, but bespoke drivetrain components in the RS ensures it puts in an even better performance. Thanks to a close-ratio six-speed transmission with a single-mass flywheel and 20kg lower vehicle weight, the engine revs up even more freely, thus enabling the 911 GT3 to sprint from zero to 100kph (62mph) in 4.2 seconds. That's one tenth of a second faster than the GT3. And it takes just 13.3 seconds to hit to 200kph (124mph). Maximum speed is 310kph (187mph).
One characteristic of the new RS is the body, which is 44mm wider at the rear (a legacy from the Carrera 4 models with which it shares its shell) by comparison with the 911 GT3. The muscular-looking rear end conceals a wider track that not only improves directional stability but also increases the potential cornering grip of the two-seater coupe.
Despite its specialised body, the RS is 20kg lighter than the GT3, weighing in at just 1375kg. This weight-saving was achieved by the use, amongst other solutions, of an adjustable carbon fibre wing, the use of a plastic rear lid and a lightweight plastic rear window. As a consequence, the corresponding engine power to kerb weight ratio is over 300bhp per tonne.
With a view to the registration regulations for the important GT motor racing championships as future fields of application, the road version of the GT3 RS features technical attributes that will also appear in the racing version. These solutions will include the design of the entire wheel carrier and split wishbones on the rear axle, in addition to the carbon fibre components of the body.
The interior of the 911 GT3 RS lives up to the vehicle's sporting aspirations: two lightweight bucket seats made of carbon fibre composite materials come as standard, together with a bolted-in roll cage and pre-wiring for a battery master switch. A six-point seatbelt for the driver and a fire extinguisher are also provided. Internal trims are black, with the roof lining, steering wheel and gear stick trimmed in high-quality Alcantara leather.
The available exterior paint finishes are Arctic Silver metallic or Black; as an option, the GT3 can also be obtained in Orange or Green. All vehicle insignia and the wheels themselves are styled in orange or black to contrast with the body paintwork.
The retail price for the 911 GT3 RS is £94,280, including a Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (VTS), a sophisticated vehicle security package approved to Thatcham Category 5 standard, and a Porsche Driving Experience programme.
If it does have PCCB the £14k premium could be more justifiable although as PCCB saves 8kg (?) surely this would have been mentioned as one of the weight-saving measures? Will hardcore trackers at which the RS is aimed actually want PCCB given the history?
then there is the er..... flywheel?
A bigger summary nicked off another site is below - intersting paint choices imply white not a std or normal option?!?!?
Sporting Porsche 911 GT3 RS unleashed for road and track
In October, Porsche will launch the new 911 GT3 RS in the UK. The GT3 RS is distinguished by its performance capability and an unadulterated driving experience similar to that of a racing car. But while particularly suited for use on the track, the car also meets all requirements for road-legal sports cars.
The reference "RS" will quicken the pulse of Porsche connoisseurs. Models such as the legendary Carrera RS 2.7 of 1972 and the 1991 Type 964 911 RS were also sports cars that stood out on account of their extreme degree of maneuverability and handling. That tradition is continued with the new 911 GT3 RS. In common with its predecessors, it provides an homologation model for use in a range of racing series.
The exceptionally powerful, normally aspirated engine boasts a displacement of 3.6-litres to generate 305kW (415 bhp) at 7,600rpm. Maximum revs are reached at 8,400rpm. The power output per litre of engine capacity is 115.3 bhp. These figures are shared with the recently-announced 911 GT3, but bespoke drivetrain components in the RS ensures it puts in an even better performance. Thanks to a close-ratio six-speed transmission with a single-mass flywheel and 20kg lower vehicle weight, the engine revs up even more freely, thus enabling the 911 GT3 to sprint from zero to 100kph (62mph) in 4.2 seconds. That's one tenth of a second faster than the GT3. And it takes just 13.3 seconds to hit to 200kph (124mph). Maximum speed is 310kph (187mph).
One characteristic of the new RS is the body, which is 44mm wider at the rear (a legacy from the Carrera 4 models with which it shares its shell) by comparison with the 911 GT3. The muscular-looking rear end conceals a wider track that not only improves directional stability but also increases the potential cornering grip of the two-seater coupe.
Despite its specialised body, the RS is 20kg lighter than the GT3, weighing in at just 1375kg. This weight-saving was achieved by the use, amongst other solutions, of an adjustable carbon fibre wing, the use of a plastic rear lid and a lightweight plastic rear window. As a consequence, the corresponding engine power to kerb weight ratio is over 300bhp per tonne.
With a view to the registration regulations for the important GT motor racing championships as future fields of application, the road version of the GT3 RS features technical attributes that will also appear in the racing version. These solutions will include the design of the entire wheel carrier and split wishbones on the rear axle, in addition to the carbon fibre components of the body.
The interior of the 911 GT3 RS lives up to the vehicle's sporting aspirations: two lightweight bucket seats made of carbon fibre composite materials come as standard, together with a bolted-in roll cage and pre-wiring for a battery master switch. A six-point seatbelt for the driver and a fire extinguisher are also provided. Internal trims are black, with the roof lining, steering wheel and gear stick trimmed in high-quality Alcantara leather.
The available exterior paint finishes are Arctic Silver metallic or Black; as an option, the GT3 can also be obtained in Orange or Green. All vehicle insignia and the wheels themselves are styled in orange or black to contrast with the body paintwork.
The retail price for the 911 GT3 RS is £94,280, including a Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (VTS), a sophisticated vehicle security package approved to Thatcham Category 5 standard, and a Porsche Driving Experience programme.
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