Lightweight GT3RS
Discussion
s1xxr said:
francisb said:
S1XXR said:
If you add up the gains from the mods listed so far you save pretty close to 100kg's...carbon doors and panels being the starting point.
i dont see that.
full carbon/perspex doors might save 25 kg each, but then you need door bars on the cage.
so say 15kg each or 30kg. still got to find another 70kg... carpets arnt that heavy.
Carbon panels all round, seats, lightweight headers and exhaust, PCCB, carbon wheels, smaller battery, lights, dampers...and aircon. That'll get you close to 100 kilos.
But can you IMAGINE what that would cost?!!!
ninemeister said:
Steve, the answer is so simple it is untrue....
Simply remove the radiators, water pipes, water & antifreeze, pull out the old engine and fit a more powerful aircooled engine in its place.
Simply remove the radiators, water pipes, water & antifreeze, pull out the old engine and fit a more powerful aircooled engine in its place.
Ha ha ha . . . . I was waiting for that one Colin.
see you at Goodwood tomorrow?
Steve
DanH said:
willr said:
DanH said:
The Cayman is suprisingly lardy.
But according to those figures it's lighter than a GT3RS...
Barely, and I was just pointing out that Caymans aren't really light at all, despite people seeming to assume they are. By the time you've specced up your Cayman I can bet its heavier than the RS too (those weights apparently do include the RSs cage etc).
A GT3RS without front cage and air con is 1330Kg. We weighed the Parr car, which is non air con. The bloody air con weighs 30KG on it's own aparently. It wasn't origionally standard equipment for UK cars but potential buyers created such a stink that Porsche changed thier minds. It's a bit like a waiter stirring up an Irish coffee really... Seems mad, after creating beautiful carbon panels and plastic glass to save weight. I've driven a lot of laps in that car and the heat has never bothered me.
But then, if you can feel the heat you aint driving fast enough...
Now, where are those pins.........
superlightr said:
buy a Caterham 7, cover over the badge with a Porsche one. Hey presto!
Exactly, why bother ?? If you want to save money on consumables buy the lightest/fastest car in the first place, something designed for purpose. A lightweight 250 bhp, sequential boxed, sticky booted, roll caged caterham, atom, etc.
I am not knocking Steve for doing it, as it will not cost him any money, but why a paying punter would want to do this i do not know. When push comes to shove a good track car will always be far quicker on track than a fantastic road car because it was designed for its use from the get go and is less compromised.
Road cars cost a lot to trackday full stop. To me it makes more sense to have a focussed track car, it should be faster as well as cheaper. With the money you save buy a comfortable road car ( now with the roads being so congested speed is almost impossible to obtain for any distance/time )and cruise to the track where you can let it all hang out !!
lsb said:
superlightr said:
buy a Caterham 7, cover over the badge with a Porsche one. Hey presto!
Exactly, why bother ?? If you want to save money on consumables buy the lightest/fastest car in the first place, something designed for purpose. A lightweight 250 bhp, sequential boxed, sticky booted, roll caged caterham, atom, etc.
I am not knocking Steve for doing it, as it will not cost him any money, but why a paying punter would want to do this i do not know. When push comes to shove a good track car will always be far quicker on track than a fantastic road car because it was designed for its use from the get go and is less compromised.
Road cars cost a lot to trackday full stop. To me it makes more sense to have a focussed track car, it should be faster as well as cheaper. With the money you save buy a comfortable road car ( now with the roads being so congested speed is almost impossible to obtain for any distance/time )and cruise to the track where you can let it all hang out !!
Not all of us like Caterhams and would prefer to track GTs? Nothing wrong with evolving a car in the direction you enjoy, and if you've got the money who cares whether you could buy a Formula Renault for 15k and go quicker? Particularly if you enjoy driving a 911 with it's unique and complex dynamics.
Edited by DanH on Monday 31st July 18:11
Then buy a cup car / ex gt racer. If you really must drive it on the road spend the money sva'ing it. Work back from the extreme end that you are " evolving towards " then it won't be a pseudo race car but a real one !!
When did money come into it ?? If you were to go running on a track, what is more important to you - how fast you run or how pretty/shiny/ expensive your shoes are ???
When did money come into it ?? If you were to go running on a track, what is more important to you - how fast you run or how pretty/shiny/ expensive your shoes are ???
lsb said:
Then buy a cup car / ex gt racer. If you really must drive it on the road spend the money sva'ing it. Work back from the extreme end that you are " evolving towards " then it won't be a pseudo race car but a real one !!
When did money come into it ?? If you were to go running on a track, what is more important to you - how fast you run or how pretty/shiny/ expensive your shoes are ???
When did money come into it ?? If you were to go running on a track, what is more important to you - how fast you run or how pretty/shiny/ expensive your shoes are ???
Because trailors are a pain in the arse. What's shinyness got to do with? Absolute speed isn't the highest priority for everyone either, otherwise we could all buy Radanails and pleasure ourselves as we overtake everything on the track in our race car muttering 'That's right baby I'm the best'.
You are welcome to your trailer and Caterham, but that doesn't mean we all have to agree with you.
I think the point being made is fair...by getting an cup car through an SVA test then there is no need for a trailer to move the car around, ultimately it is all a degree of compromise as to what level of road/track bias an owner is happy to accept.
Many of us have mentioned cup cars in the past as an alternative....a good GT3 or Gt3RS seems a great multi purpose road/track car......unless you are actually going to race the thing why take it much further in the race direction?....and if you are going to race.......guess what..............we end up back with the cup car!
Many of us have mentioned cup cars in the past as an alternative....a good GT3 or Gt3RS seems a great multi purpose road/track car......unless you are actually going to race the thing why take it much further in the race direction?....and if you are going to race.......guess what..............we end up back with the cup car!
The whole point of the exercise is to save weight in order to save money on consumables, i believe that was mentioned by Steve. As i have just pointed out - why not buy a cup car and sva it ?? Then you would not need a trailer that you hate so much !!
You seem to enjoy mentioning how great the rs is on track ( in other threads ) but become very defensive when someone questions the rationale of spending money in order to save a few tenths of a second here and there. Suddenly speed is not your goal, so tell me why bother and what is ???
I don't expect everyone to agree with me, it is after all a free country, but after reading on countless occasions on the noble/ porsche threads how great your rs is you now knock radicals for being too efficient, their drivers for being ego-tastic, me for liking caterhams as well as gt3's ( which i also own ), i think the person you should consider needs agreement most is a little closer to home !!
You seem to enjoy mentioning how great the rs is on track ( in other threads ) but become very defensive when someone questions the rationale of spending money in order to save a few tenths of a second here and there. Suddenly speed is not your goal, so tell me why bother and what is ???
I don't expect everyone to agree with me, it is after all a free country, but after reading on countless occasions on the noble/ porsche threads how great your rs is you now knock radicals for being too efficient, their drivers for being ego-tastic, me for liking caterhams as well as gt3's ( which i also own ), i think the person you should consider needs agreement most is a little closer to home !!
lsb said:
The whole point of the exercise is to save weight in order to save money on consumables, i believe that was mentioned by Steve.
...and saving 100-200kgs isn't going to make that much difference in the cost of consumables on a car of that weight!
I don't believe it has anything to do with saving money. More to do with taking a road going 996 GT3 RS to the absolute limit! Good fun... as long as someone else is paying!!!
lsb said:
The whole point of the exercise is to save weight in order to save money on consumables, i believe that was mentioned by Steve. As i have just pointed out - why not buy a cup car and sva it ?? Then you would not need a trailer that you hate so much !!
You seem to enjoy mentioning how great the rs is on track ( in other threads ) but become very defensive when someone questions the rationale of spending money in order to save a few tenths of a second here and there. Suddenly speed is not your goal, so tell me why bother and what is ???
I don't expect everyone to agree with me, it is after all a free country, but after reading on countless occasions on the noble/ porsche threads how great your rs is you now knock radicals for being too efficient, their drivers for being ego-tastic, me for liking caterhams as well as gt3's ( which i also own ), i think the person you should consider needs agreement most is a little closer to home !!
You seem to enjoy mentioning how great the rs is on track ( in other threads ) but become very defensive when someone questions the rationale of spending money in order to save a few tenths of a second here and there. Suddenly speed is not your goal, so tell me why bother and what is ???
I don't expect everyone to agree with me, it is after all a free country, but after reading on countless occasions on the noble/ porsche threads how great your rs is you now knock radicals for being too efficient, their drivers for being ego-tastic, me for liking caterhams as well as gt3's ( which i also own ), i think the person you should consider needs agreement most is a little closer to home !!
Who said it was to save on consumables? As to speed, I said absolute speed wasn't the highest priority, not relative speed out of what the car can offer. There's always something and someone quicker. What's your issue with people wanting to enjoy their chosen cars potential?
Not sure where I dissed Caterhams, or am I not entitled to dislike them without it being judged a damning indightment of the whole marque?
haha I like your egotistical comment, having read your messages here and those on the Noble forum, where you just called someone a 'twat' and dropped all the cars you've owned into the conversation, I've certainly realised who the egotistical t
t is. Edited by DanH on Monday 31st July 21:31
DanH said,
haha I like your egotistical comment, having read your messages here and those on the Noble forum, where you just called someone a 'twat' and dropped all the cars you've owned into the conversation, I've certainly realised who the egotistical tt is. Your personal attacks just make you look a wanker.
Glad you went back and edited it Dan, such abuse just seemed pointless in what was a decent thread
haha I like your egotistical comment, having read your messages here and those on the Noble forum, where you just called someone a 'twat' and dropped all the cars you've owned into the conversation, I've certainly realised who the egotistical tt is. Your personal attacks just make you look a wanker.
Glad you went back and edited it Dan, such abuse just seemed pointless in what was a decent thread
clubsport said:
DanH said,
haha I like your egotistical comment, having read your messages here and those on the Noble forum, where you just called someone a 'twat' and dropped all the cars you've owned into the conversation, I've certainly realised who the egotistical tt is. Your personal attacks just make you look a wanker.
Glad you went back and edited it Dan, such abuse just seemed pointless in what was a decent thread
haha I like your egotistical comment, having read your messages here and those on the Noble forum, where you just called someone a 'twat' and dropped all the cars you've owned into the conversation, I've certainly realised who the egotistical tt is. Your personal attacks just make you look a wanker.
Glad you went back and edited it Dan, such abuse just seemed pointless in what was a decent thread
lol stop stirring, you just reinstated what it said!
oh well I stand by my comment. He needs to study KayC's style where he manages to be offensive, but in a less personal and more amusing fashion. Still who needs diplomacy when they've owned a vast fleet of supercars and made sure everyone knows about it? Edited by DanH on Monday 31st July 21:48
DanH said:
He needs to study KayC's style where he manages to be offensive, but in a less personal and more amusing fashion. Still who needs diplomacy when they've owned a vast fleet of supercars and made sure everyone knows about it?
Irony is Dan, if you didn't spot it, is that he belittles you for your choice, and then states that he's owned a Diablo GT. Now if there ever was a marketing department driven set of weight saving, that car has to be it......
J
steve rance said:
Mark_H said:
steve rance said:
We are working on shedding 100kg from the 996GT3RS. That will bring a non aircon car down to 1230KGs.... Which will be nice!
Will keep you guys updated.
Will keep you guys updated.
Are you racing the car?
If not, why are you wasting your money trying to gain tengths on a track day?
Even if your aim is to go that bit quicker and if I remember correctly you tow your car to most tracks, then why don't you just buy a cup car? 1. No
2. Because it consumes consumables a lot slower ( ask any 964Rs or 993RS driver), is nicer to driver and quicker.
3. I rarely tow anywhere
4. It's a fun excersise.
If i am not mistaken just there !!
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