993 gt2 - seems to be sticking around at dealer
Discussion
lightweight said:
993rsr said:
Re-shelled, re-painted, wrong chairs, been for sale with three dealers + now and still not sold despite a 'good' price for RHD and been for sale for an eternity.
Looks like it's harder to shift than chlamydia. A proper car would be long gone...
Looks like it's harder to shift than chlamydia. A proper car would be long gone...
Edited by 993rsr on Friday 5th January 11:36
I think thats a little harsh though I take your point on the seats when i looked at it 2 years ago it had the original seats(dont know why they are not there they looked in good nick) i know it has sold at least once since then.
re chlamydia if you can spell it you have had it and antibiotics are prity good these days John.
I must say I have noticed a certan trend that you GT2 boys talk down any car for sale that is not one of yours maby when replying to posts we should have a declared interests register?
No trend, merely making statements based on facts. Even you agreed it had been re-shelled and re-painted. Does this make it a good buy compared to others that have not!
johnnywishbone said:
993rsr said:
Re-shelled, re-painted, wrong chairs, been for sale with three dealers + now and still not sold despite a 'good' price for RHD and been for sale for an eternity.
Looks like it's harder to shift than chlamydia. A proper car would be long gone... we just sold my old RHD speed yellow car within 24 hrs !!!!!!!!!!!
JWB
Looks like it's harder to shift than chlamydia. A proper car would be long gone... we just sold my old RHD speed yellow car within 24 hrs !!!!!!!!!!!
JWB
Edited by 993rsr on Friday 5th January 11:36
I rest my case!
Hi John
Im not saying that it is the best car out there far from it, my opinon was based on what I saw at camtune. My point is that it is a car with a very well known history and long term it still may be a good buy at the right price(In my view less that its up for)and thats because its history is common knowladge. A car is worth whatever you can sell it for JWB has just proven this.
Im not saying that it is the best car out there far from it, my opinon was based on what I saw at camtune. My point is that it is a car with a very well known history and long term it still may be a good buy at the right price(In my view less that its up for)and thats because its history is common knowladge. A car is worth whatever you can sell it for JWB has just proven this.
Isn`t it the case of that there are so few of these cars about that demand out strips supply. The value of the very good ones continue to appreciate, therefore they drag the values of the not so good ones along too?
I was offered a re-shelled 1989 Carrera 3.2 about 10 years ago at approx 20% below the market price of a straight one. It had been re-shelled by Porsche when it was less than six months old, it had all the letters, paperwork and warranty. I walked away and eventually bought a 1987 car, because I had more choice...
If you are in the market for a GT2 but you cant afford the very best examples, do you say goodbye to your dream? From my casual observations it seems to me that the decent cars are priced between £115K to £150K and rising...
That`s a big difference and because they are so rare, maybe there is always going to be a market for the odd ones...priced accordingly!
I was offered a re-shelled 1989 Carrera 3.2 about 10 years ago at approx 20% below the market price of a straight one. It had been re-shelled by Porsche when it was less than six months old, it had all the letters, paperwork and warranty. I walked away and eventually bought a 1987 car, because I had more choice...
If you are in the market for a GT2 but you cant afford the very best examples, do you say goodbye to your dream? From my casual observations it seems to me that the decent cars are priced between £115K to £150K and rising...
That`s a big difference and because they are so rare, maybe there is always going to be a market for the odd ones...priced accordingly!
Hi mr Lightweight , u seem to know me but i am sorry i cant work out who u are ?...............i ve had 2 GT2s as u may know and ur right they re only worth what someone will pay , i almost donated my blue one to charity but Sambamans enjoying it and is a great fella! However ther was no invoice on this black nee blue car for replacement shell and trying to track down origins i did not speak with the Lovetts, for whom i have the ultimate respect,i did have however have a chat with the guy who dealt with an enormous shunt on it and i thought the shell was replaced again after that , i may have that the wrong way round......but both events took place .i dont believe the factory ever reissued any replacemnt GT 2 shells , i stand to be corrected ,but imo this cud be a very nice 993 with a lot of GT2 bits on it or even a 993 seam welded .........I DONT KNOW .....but if it is a GT2 shell i cant see why anyone wud nt have kept that invoice hence unconvinced open to suggestions ...........preferrably polite
The reason i recommended buying JC s car , yes hes a mate ,is cos i ve seen it since it was imported watched him painstakingly do everything from brakes and bodywork to engine work AT THE RIGHT PLACES and believe it to be a fine piece of kit and priced abt right ..........or to put it another if i wanted an Evo i d buy it .............Mrs C wont permit a 3 rd one so stuck with Bluto ..........life can be hell!
The reason i recommended buying JC s car , yes hes a mate ,is cos i ve seen it since it was imported watched him painstakingly do everything from brakes and bodywork to engine work AT THE RIGHT PLACES and believe it to be a fine piece of kit and priced abt right ..........or to put it another if i wanted an Evo i d buy it .............Mrs C wont permit a 3 rd one so stuck with Bluto ..........life can be hell!
Agent Orange said:
The reason i recommended buying JC s car , yes hes a mate ,is cos i ve seen it since it was imported watched him painstakingly do everything from brakes and bodywork to engine work AT THE RIGHT PLACES
The reason i recommended JC's, and we've only met once, is that it's absolutely stunning condition, correct in every way i know and its been looked after by the right guy money no object. Everytime i've seen it ive stood there gauping at it stupidly for 10 minutes.
Agent Orange said:
Hi mr Lightweight , u seem to know me but i am sorry i cant work out who u are !
Hi Vic
We spoke a couple of times when I was looking at the red RHD GT2 i think you had just seen it at the Aston dealer in Sheppards Bush.I looked at after it moved on I tracked its history in Hong Kong through Jardeans the OPC over there they new it(and serviced it!) but did not about why there was paint on the roof? There was also a milage question?
We also talked when I looked at the black/blue car at camtune and paul emailed me about your LHD audi blue car but at the time I was only looking at RHD cars I think the silver one was the nicest RHD I looked at.
Im not trying to have a pop Vic I think that most of the time you chaps have a point but you do tend to talk up your own cars(its natural), I do think the black car is better than its given credit for If you fancy a punt speek to lovets I cant comment on the current state of the red car as its been 2 years and suposedly had a lot of work done? Who knows?
Penny dropping, i did indeed 1st look at red car at Nicholas Mee where it was advertised as a clubsport, which although it clearly was nt they insisted it was , made me think abt reshelling ,like maybe it once was ? Frankly was a mess.............know the man recently comissioned[in last 12 months] to do mechanicals,pure co incidence .....believe should be done well.The rest lost interst at the earlier date as it was just messy /odd...have nt seen it again, the Macau connection is all ......i lived in HK!![ITS NOT THAT SUBTLE THOUGH!]
On the basis of high mileage genuine history well documented GT2 s going thru at £90k level , highest i know done for standard car in mint condition £150k wud pitch the black car in question at £65 BEING GENEROUS ,AND IT LOOKS THE PART NO QUESTION..........even then very hard to resell ,been a couple of nice looking replicas on PH over 2006 at £50/55.........i guess they sold and some people hopefully have great cars to enjoy they really looked good , i clearly have too many doubts on the black car to even buy it for scrap howver as we all seem to agree theres a price for everything just not with my money on this one unable to
BTW the high mileage Riviera blue rs u refer to, went thru at cheapo price ,on mileage, just under £40 at the time ,young lad still has it and a mint white 3.8 rsr with abt 5000 miles on the clock ..........averages out nicely!
On the basis of high mileage genuine history well documented GT2 s going thru at £90k level , highest i know done for standard car in mint condition £150k wud pitch the black car in question at £65 BEING GENEROUS ,AND IT LOOKS THE PART NO QUESTION..........even then very hard to resell ,been a couple of nice looking replicas on PH over 2006 at £50/55.........i guess they sold and some people hopefully have great cars to enjoy they really looked good , i clearly have too many doubts on the black car to even buy it for scrap howver as we all seem to agree theres a price for everything just not with my money on this one unable to
BTW the high mileage Riviera blue rs u refer to, went thru at cheapo price ,on mileage, just under £40 at the time ,young lad still has it and a mint white 3.8 rsr with abt 5000 miles on the clock ..........averages out nicely!
Agent Orange said:
On the basis of high mileage genuine history well documented GT2 s going thru at £90k level , highest i know done for standard car in mint condition £150k wud pitch the black car in question at £65 BEING GENEROUS ,AND IT LOOKS THE PART NO QUESTION..........even then very hard to resell ,been a couple of nice looking replicas on PH over 2006 at £50/55.........i guess they sold and some people hopefully have great cars to enjoy they really looked good , i clearly have too many doubts on the black car to even buy it for scrap howver as we all seem to agree theres a price for everything just not with my money on this one unable to
Vic, I'd take a punt at £65k.
How would an insurer view the value of the car? Would they require an inspection before they gave cover?
Good question.........from the thread if Lovetts wud back it all up then no hastle , at worst reshelled passsed for the road again etc Whatever it must have been inspected to get back on the road ............problem is more, dont see the people who ve had it lately letting it go at that level!!!
Edited by Agent Orange on Friday 5th January 16:30
Agent Orange said:
Good question.........from the thread if Lovetts wud back it all up then no hastle , at worst reshelled passsed for the road again etc Whatever it must have been inspected to get back on the road ............problem is more, dont see the people who ve had it lately letting it go at that level!!!
Edited by Agent Orange on Friday 5th January 16:30
Cant see any issue Peter told me Lovetts sold it twice after it was re shelled by them they sold it to the chap in Jersey though he knew it as the blue car.
They seem to know ther GT2,s
Agent Orange said:
Good question.........from the thread if Lovetts wud back it all up then no hastle , at worst reshelled passsed for the road again etc Whatever it must have been inspected to get back on the road ............problem is more, dont see the people who ve had it lately letting it go at that level!!!
so in other words there's a market for it, it's just that the market needs to be established
interesting thread this........i bought Vic's audi blue GT2 knowing i had no doubt in my mind it had been well cared for by vic....super service history ..... Not a reshelled car.. Not a car with any storys to be told...as im sure Vic would not own the car and Mr Mclean would not have it on his website.....im 110% happy with my car ...i certainly wouldnt want any doubt at all in my mind if im spending 100k+...i didnt...hence buying in my eyes one rare...beautifull GT2. I think the car in question is as said by many.. worth what someone will pay knowing its history..etc etc....all cars have a price !! ....but the price is down to the purchaser ( sometimes ) not the punter.. more so in this case.....
Does anyone actually know the definitive numbers of RHD/LHD 993 GT2`s manufactured. How many of them still exist and how many have actually totally gone?
Surely, being so rare, so iconic and so expensive, someone must know the whereabouts of just about every car?
Allways fancied a Speed Yellow one myself!
Surely, being so rare, so iconic and so expensive, someone must know the whereabouts of just about every car?
Allways fancied a Speed Yellow one myself!
david hype said:
Does anyone actually know the definitive numbers of RHD/LHD 993 GT2`s manufactured.
according to qv500 www.qv500.com/porsche993p5.php
"993 GT2...57 road cars were built (seven of which were right-hand drive) in addition to 110 racers. That wasn't quite the end of the story though as in April 1998, Porsche introduced an Evolution version that was available by special request. Introduced to homologate a more extreme racing variant, 21 road-going Evolution's were eventually manufactured"
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