personalise my porsche???
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speedyellow said:
kayc said:
rick111s said:
totally agree.
i would never do anything to this car that could not be turned back very easily.
what have other owners done to put theri own stamp on their cars?
Get the ecu upgraded Rick,transforms the car and makes it much more entertaining,next move for me is a new pipe im just not sure which one yet...ECU upgrade in theory is not detectable by the OPC's so should be ok on the warranty.Having said that if an experienced Porsche mechanic cant tell a chipped tt from a standard one on a road test i would be very suprised..do standard tt's hit 1 bar?i would never do anything to this car that could not be turned back very easily.
what have other owners done to put theri own stamp on their cars?
The dealer can instantly tell a TT has been chipped, it records all maximum values in the ecu memory... and the boost levels and fueling will be obvious. I know a GT2 that was in Reading needing a new engine after being chipped and they even knew the date and time the map had been loaded, so when the owner said he knew nothing about it, he looked a little silly...
If you are going to get it chipped make sure the chip provider is willing to warrant their own work!
I bet they pissed their pants as they presented the owner with the bill.
Of COURSE they can tell.
speedyellow said:
I think it all depends on what work is being done, will they see it on a routine service, unlikely knowing an OPC, but if the engine lets go or warranty work is required on the engine and Reading get their hands on it, the first thing they will do is look at the ecu logs.
There is NO way you could hide the changes, all they have to do is download the current map in the ECU and compare it with the original maps for the car, it WILL be different.
Talking to a friend at reading in the training department they are always amuzed that people beleive a turbo map could be changed without the manufacturer knowing, the ecu logs all changes, max min values, % of time at what throttle and loads and loads more. Due to the cost of a replacement engine they use this information to understand the cause of failure, on going R&D and a 3rd party map will definately be noticed.
I'd put money on Porsche GB being able to spot any massaged ECU, I can probably arrange a trial if anyone is interested and convinced they can beat the Porsche full ecu diagnostics system?
There is NO way you could hide the changes, all they have to do is download the current map in the ECU and compare it with the original maps for the car, it WILL be different.
Talking to a friend at reading in the training department they are always amuzed that people beleive a turbo map could be changed without the manufacturer knowing, the ecu logs all changes, max min values, % of time at what throttle and loads and loads more. Due to the cost of a replacement engine they use this information to understand the cause of failure, on going R&D and a 3rd party map will definately be noticed.
I'd put money on Porsche GB being able to spot any massaged ECU, I can probably arrange a trial if anyone is interested and convinced they can beat the Porsche full ecu diagnostics system?
Now THAT would be interesting.
Of course they can tell - even by driving it. "Hmmm, interesting, the boost gauge appears to be reading higher than stock......"
My point is if a company states that their mapping is non detectable and it causes damage its a very high risk claim and surely opens them up to lots of legal risks?As i said Opc didnt spot mine or BMw when fighting a claim.Also to suggest that a 911 turbo engine is at potential bursting point by adding 15-20% more power is just not proven and i find unlikely.
kayc said:
My point is if a company states that their mapping is non detectable and it causes damage its a very high risk claim and surely opens them up to lots of legal risks?As i said Opc didnt spot mine or BMw when fighting a claim.Also to suggest that a 911 turbo engine is at potential bursting point by adding 15-20% more power is just not proven and i find unlikely.
They can tell, mate.
Do you seriously think that if they are looking at a blown engine, they won't interrogate the ECU for over revs, over boost, fuel mapping, throttle readings, temps, mixtures and the rest?
They're not daft, and they also have PhDs in mechanical engineering which we don't - so who do you think is smarter to decide whether an engine blow up is likely or not?
Vesuvius 996 said:
kayc said:
My point is if a company states that their mapping is non detectable and it causes damage its a very high risk claim and surely opens them up to lots of legal risks?As i said Opc didnt spot mine or BMw when fighting a claim.Also to suggest that a 911 turbo engine is at potential bursting point by adding 15-20% more power is just not proven and i find unlikely.
They can tell, mate.
Do you seriously think that if they are looking at a blown engine, they won't interrogate the ECU for over revs, over boost, fuel mapping, throttle readings, temps, mixtures and the rest?
They're not daft, and they also have PhDs in mechanical engineering which we don't - so who do you think is smarter to decide whether an engine blow up is likely or not?
I will echo that point, surely if someone can change such things as fuel mappings any half descent Porsche technician can just plug in and see what the levels are set at.
Vesuvius 996 said:
kayc said:
My point is if a company states that their mapping is non detectable and it causes damage its a very high risk claim and surely opens them up to lots of legal risks?As i said Opc didnt spot mine or BMw when fighting a claim.Also to suggest that a 911 turbo engine is at potential bursting point by adding 15-20% more power is just not proven and i find unlikely.
They can tell, mate.
Do you seriously think that if they are looking at a blown engine, they won't interrogate the ECU for over revs, over boost, fuel mapping, throttle readings, temps, mixtures and the rest?
They're not daft, and they also have PhDs in mechanical engineering which we don't - so who do you think is smarter to decide whether an engine blow up is likely or not?
kayc said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
kayc said:
My point is if a company states that their mapping is non detectable and it causes damage its a very high risk claim and surely opens them up to lots of legal risks?As i said Opc didnt spot mine or BMw when fighting a claim.Also to suggest that a 911 turbo engine is at potential bursting point by adding 15-20% more power is just not proven and i find unlikely.
They can tell, mate.
Do you seriously think that if they are looking at a blown engine, they won't interrogate the ECU for over revs, over boost, fuel mapping, throttle readings, temps, mixtures and the rest?
They're not daft, and they also have PhDs in mechanical engineering which we don't - so who do you think is smarter to decide whether an engine blow up is likely or not?
I agree. Clever people. Car runs better. More power.
BUT
If you want to have a warranty claim, then you CAN'T alter it from Porsche settings.
They are just taking advantage of the tolerances Porsche allow in the engines to ensure that they last and can handle all market conditions.
For example, how well would the remapping work if you were driving somewhere that was at 10000ft with 40c temp in the shade and you were running nearly flat out for an hour?? The factory cars have to ensure they will not fail when that happens. Therefore for UK conditions (or most of the world in reality) there is a good degree of leeway that can be taken advantage of to increase power by focusing the map on your real world.
But stand by my statement that Porsche can tell, I can arrange for your car to come to Reading for a check if you want, but when they find it you'll have to hand over the bribe to stop them ripping up the warranty!
Agreed they don't check when looking at small issues like sensors, but any big claim on the engine, gearbox or drive components, trust me they look!
For example, how well would the remapping work if you were driving somewhere that was at 10000ft with 40c temp in the shade and you were running nearly flat out for an hour?? The factory cars have to ensure they will not fail when that happens. Therefore for UK conditions (or most of the world in reality) there is a good degree of leeway that can be taken advantage of to increase power by focusing the map on your real world.
But stand by my statement that Porsche can tell, I can arrange for your car to come to Reading for a check if you want, but when they find it you'll have to hand over the bribe to stop them ripping up the warranty!
Agreed they don't check when looking at small issues like sensors, but any big claim on the engine, gearbox or drive components, trust me they look!
kayc said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
kayc said:
My point is if a company states that their mapping is non detectable and it causes damage its a very high risk claim and surely opens them up to lots of legal risks?As i said Opc didnt spot mine or BMw when fighting a claim.Also to suggest that a 911 turbo engine is at potential bursting point by adding 15-20% more power is just not proven and i find unlikely.
They can tell, mate.
Do you seriously think that if they are looking at a blown engine, they won't interrogate the ECU for over revs, over boost, fuel mapping, throttle readings, temps, mixtures and the rest?
They're not daft, and they also have PhDs in mechanical engineering which we don't - so who do you think is smarter to decide whether an engine blow up is likely or not?
The products aren't flawed they work very well a worthwhile upgrade to most cars. Thats why more and more of these remapping companies are appearing. If your insurance company wont payout after a crash, or your warranty company wont pay up (not they need much of an excuse) dont start crying because you have been rumbled.
911wise said:
kayc said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
kayc said:
My point is if a company states that their mapping is non detectable and it causes damage its a very high risk claim and surely opens them up to lots of legal risks?As i said Opc didnt spot mine or BMw when fighting a claim.Also to suggest that a 911 turbo engine is at potential bursting point by adding 15-20% more power is just not proven and i find unlikely.
They can tell, mate.
Do you seriously think that if they are looking at a blown engine, they won't interrogate the ECU for over revs, over boost, fuel mapping, throttle readings, temps, mixtures and the rest?
They're not daft, and they also have PhDs in mechanical engineering which we don't - so who do you think is smarter to decide whether an engine blow up is likely or not?
The products aren't flawed they work very well a worthwhile upgrade to most cars. Thats why more and more of these remapping companies are appearing. If your insurance company wont payout after a crash, or your warranty company wont pay up (not they need much of an excuse) dont start crying because you have been rumbled.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Monday 29th January 17:18
I bought an airbag steering wheel from www.raid-rdi.com/ - collected it in Germany at the factory and paid €500. Took 10 minutes to fit + 1 hour with the battery disconnected before pulling the plug on the airbag. Fitted it at in the carpark at the 'ring.
Well worth the trip!
G
Well worth the trip!
G
About 18 months ago I toyed with the idea of getting the centres of the 16" cup wheels on my 944 S2 painted black, but with the silver outer rim section polished up. The idea being to make a modern looking version of the classic Fuchs wheels (which look great on early 944 by the way). Then I noticed that every kev'ed up car going was appearing one by one with similar style wheels so I went of the idea. My brother suggested getting the centres painted red the same as the car, but I am not overly keen.
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