RE: Porsche Cayenne Turbo
Discussion
I still struggle to see how Porsche are cynical in their production of the Cayenne. They have built a car that is very practical and versatile (something the rest of their range isn`t in fairness - so it fitted in very well), and they`ve then set about trying to re-invent the wheel a bit in terms of people`s expectations of how an SUV should behave on the road.
My trip back down the A1 in a Cayenne Turbo early this morning was fantastic. A far cry from the wallowy Range Rover throwing you about
Henry
My trip back down the A1 in a Cayenne Turbo early this morning was fantastic. A far cry from the wallowy Range Rover throwing you about
Henry
henry-f said:
Is it just me but I feel a complete tit calling people calling people "fluffy-slick-shifter" or similar. I`d much rather just call them Bob.
All the best "Hunkychunky" AKA Henry
Hi Chunky ..
I think you'll find that the name on my profile reflects what my wife is most likely to use when addressing my within the next 30 or so minutes..
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cuneus said:
isuk said:
And keep up to date gents... bull bars were banned years ago and I've never, EVER seen a Cayenne fitted with such contraptions. Have you??
You keep up to date
I await your apology
Fair enough so apologies offered. I genuinely thought these ridiculous things had been banned. Don't tar all 4x4 owners with the same brush though. That would be as ridiculous as saying that all hot hatch drivers belonged to the MaxPower brigade.
henry-f said:
Well then I`m with you Francis & the sooner the likes of Ken put their hands up and say ok let`s come clean and say we`ve found a new way to raise revenue and we`re lovin` it, the better.
Henry
Henry
I think the fact that the government do nothing the promote the use of more environmentally friendly fuels such as E85 and biodiesel make their cynical standpoint quite clear. They don't want to lose their excuse to rob money from driver's of 'environmentally unfriendly' vehicles by encouraging a viable alternative.
As for the congestion charge, how can Ken ever claim that that's designed to be anything other than a blatant money raiser? If the CC area was suddenly clear of all congestion, the entire scheme would go bust through lack of funds to maintain equipment and pay salaries. All that the scheme does is penalise people who have no choice but to drive in London for whatever reason, and encourage a change in the demographic of drivers to those who are wealthy enough to afford the levy or can charge it back to their company/client as expenses!
isuk said:
cuneus said:
isuk said:
And keep up to date gents... bull bars were banned years ago and I've never, EVER seen a Cayenne fitted with such contraptions. Have you??
You keep up to date
I await your apology
Fair enough so apologies offered. I genuinely thought these ridiculous things had been banned. Don't tar all 4x4 owners with the same brush though. That would be as ridiculous as saying that all hot hatch drivers belonged to the MaxPower brigade.
As I understand it Bull bars are "banned" in that a manufacturer cannot offer them as standard fit or an option. Aftermarket versions are not covered by this, though, and so there is nothing stopping the dealer arranging for them to be fitted before the customer even picks up the vehicle for the first time.
Anyone know if this is genuinely the case?
Don said:
isuk said:
cuneus said:
isuk said:
And keep up to date gents... bull bars were banned years ago and I've never, EVER seen a Cayenne fitted with such contraptions. Have you??
You keep up to date
I await your apology
Fair enough so apologies offered. I genuinely thought these ridiculous things had been banned. Don't tar all 4x4 owners with the same brush though. That would be as ridiculous as saying that all hot hatch drivers belonged to the MaxPower brigade.
As I understand it Bull bars are "banned" in that a manufacturer cannot offer them as standard fit or an option. Aftermarket versions are not covered by this, though, and so there is nothing stopping the dealer arranging for them to be fitted before the customer even picks up the vehicle for the first time.
Anyone know if this is genuinely the case?
I'm not so sure. I recall, a long time ago, RR owners having to remove them.
I know that manufacturers were banned but I also seem to recall that such pedestrian unfriendly items were dealt with under something like the MOT.
Might well be completely wrong, but seeing as 99% of all RRs in the 80s and 90s had bullbars I can't say I have noticed any on these older cars when I see them out and about.
Pretty sure something made people have to remove them.
paracetamol said:
pikey said:
Daily Mail reading neighbours constantly nagging them I would imagine
No-just the parents of childern who died when their heads were struck by bullbars (which had they been abset would have probably meant the kids would have survived)
Would also have survived if the parents stopped them from playing in the road. There is a limit to how much of our own lives and finances we can dedicate to the raising of other peoples' children.
Either way, they only serve a true purpose on full-time offroad vehicles and I certainly approve of their removal for road vehicles.
paracetamol said:
pikey said:
Daily Mail reading neighbours constantly nagging them I would imagine
No-just the parents of childern who died when their heads were struck by bullbars (which had they been abset would have probably meant the kids would have survived)
ing road in the first place, then perhaps he'd still be here, bringing his loving parents joy 
Honestly, get off your high horse and change the bloody record, will you?
GregE240 said:
paracetamol said:
pikey said:
Daily Mail reading neighbours constantly nagging them I would imagine
No-just the parents of childern who died when their heads were struck by bullbars (which had they been abset would have probably meant the kids would have survived)
ing road in the first place, then perhaps he'd still be here, bringing his loving parents joy Honestly, get off your high horse and change the bloody record, will you?
Knob- if you look back at the reason for the banning of bullbars, I think you will find it was primarily due to the actions of the parents of two children for whom it was proven that they would probably have survived the impact if their heads had not been hit by the top of the bars which were at the height of their heads.
Very interested thread building up...
I cannot believe the amount of bigoted hypocrits, why are you looking at a web site dedicated to 'car lovers' yet feel able to pass comment on other people's views. Middle lane hoggers, bad parkers, fog light users etc etc fair enough, but performance car drivers?
'4x4s' are a wide spread of cars/vehicles in all market sectors and are driven by different people for different reasons.
Personally I like to have the choice. I have driven a Cayenne Turbo from new in 2003, and have thought about changing it several times, including last year when i bought a new M5, which I later sold and had the Cayenne back from my wife. The Cayenne is more practical for my use of a car. It offers genuine performance, is suitable for my 3 young children and all the stuff we carry around. It is used for every day transport.
I agree I could have a more efficient car, but I'm taxed to the eye balls on fuel and the VAT on buying the thing new doesn't bear thinking about. The alternative (eg the M5)has a similar foot print, similar fuel economy but doesn't have any stigma - why not? perhaps it's not such an easy target.
Why not ban all bikers and second/sports car drivers who fly around the countryside at the weekend with nowhere to go, just burning fuel for their own pleasure?? How about banning floodlit sports arenas - the cost per head of spectator in the lighting alone must be massive.
That's it, feel better now.
I cannot believe the amount of bigoted hypocrits, why are you looking at a web site dedicated to 'car lovers' yet feel able to pass comment on other people's views. Middle lane hoggers, bad parkers, fog light users etc etc fair enough, but performance car drivers?
'4x4s' are a wide spread of cars/vehicles in all market sectors and are driven by different people for different reasons.
Personally I like to have the choice. I have driven a Cayenne Turbo from new in 2003, and have thought about changing it several times, including last year when i bought a new M5, which I later sold and had the Cayenne back from my wife. The Cayenne is more practical for my use of a car. It offers genuine performance, is suitable for my 3 young children and all the stuff we carry around. It is used for every day transport.
I agree I could have a more efficient car, but I'm taxed to the eye balls on fuel and the VAT on buying the thing new doesn't bear thinking about. The alternative (eg the M5)has a similar foot print, similar fuel economy but doesn't have any stigma - why not? perhaps it's not such an easy target.
Why not ban all bikers and second/sports car drivers who fly around the countryside at the weekend with nowhere to go, just burning fuel for their own pleasure?? How about banning floodlit sports arenas - the cost per head of spectator in the lighting alone must be massive.
That's it, feel better now.
Horse_Apple said:
paracetamol said:
pikey said:
Daily Mail reading neighbours constantly nagging them I would imagine
No-just the parents of childern who died when their heads were struck by bullbars (which had they been abset would have probably meant the kids would have survived)
Would also have survived if the parents stopped them from playing in the road. There is a limit to how much of our own lives and finances we can dedicate to the raising of other peoples' children.
Either way, they only serve a true purpose on full-time offroad vehicles and I certainly approve of their removal for road vehicles.
Knob 2- talk to me after you have lost a family member or a friend to a stupid road fatality that could have been prevented if it hadnt been for the stupidity or selfishness of a driver
Cayanne a performance car paracetamol said:
Horse_Apple said:
paracetamol said:
pikey said:
Daily Mail reading neighbours constantly nagging them I would imagine
No-just the parents of childern who died when their heads were struck by bullbars (which had they been abset would have probably meant the kids would have survived)
Would also have survived if the parents stopped them from playing in the road. There is a limit to how much of our own lives and finances we can dedicate to the raising of other peoples' children.
Either way, they only serve a true purpose on full-time offroad vehicles and I certainly approve of their removal for road vehicles.
Why does a kid running around in the road make a driver stupid or selfish?
Knob 2- talk to me after you have lost a family member or a friend to a stupid road fatality that could have been prevented if it hadnt been for the stupidity or selfishness of a driver
You're point doesn't really stack up.
It can be either party's fault and each case/incident must be taken on its own merits. There is never scope for generalisation on a subject such as this.
If you read a little beyond your bigotry has allowed you would see that I am all for the removal of these things and the response was a simple counter to yours and you must also understand that just because a kid goes under your wheels it doesn't make you stupid or selfish, it very many cases it makes you a victim, just the same as the family of that child.
Engage brain please, this is too serious a subject for such foolishness.
gregg13 said:
It's Cayenne, not Cayanne...
What's a performance car??
A car that does 0-60 in 5.5 and 150mph sounds pretty close to me.
What's a performance car??
A car that does 0-60 in 5.5 and 150mph sounds pretty close to me.
Not like the 3.2 then....the one that according to Car, struggles to get up motorway inclines (never mind a mountain!)
However, I concede that this thread is about the Turbo...but if I strap 450bhp to any 4x4 then its likely to go pretty fast..hardly a major fete of engineering is it.
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