RE: Porsche Cayenne Turbo
Discussion
paracetamol said:
gregg13 said:
It's Cayenne, not Cayanne...
I can hardly bring myself to say it and tend to close my eyes when I see one....and I feel it will bring me bad luck if I actually write it correctly
Get your head back up your ass, you fool.
Most people tend to agree that in engineering terms Porsche have done a pretty good job, the market sector and design are rather more subjective.
I get the feeling we are going to agree to disagree on this one....which brings me back to my first point...it's all about personal choice.
I would suggest, though, that if you haven't done so, and if you could bare it, don a disguise - footballer designer or drug dealer bling usually works - and take a turbo for a test drive. I wouldn't suggest you'll be a convert, but you may be slightly impressed.
Anyway, I've got work to do.
I get the feeling we are going to agree to disagree on this one....which brings me back to my first point...it's all about personal choice.
I would suggest, though, that if you haven't done so, and if you could bare it, don a disguise - footballer designer or drug dealer bling usually works - and take a turbo for a test drive. I wouldn't suggest you'll be a convert, but you may be slightly impressed.
Anyway, I've got work to do.
Edited by gregg13 on Thursday 8th March 16:19
paracetamol said:
if I strap 450bhp to any 4x4 then its likely to go pretty fast..hardly a major fete of engineering is it.
It's true that 450bhp applied to any 4x4 is likely to resulting in impressive straight line performance, but it's the first corner that'll highlight the differences in engineering.
Why not do as Gregg suggests: take one for a test drive then present a well formed opinion?
Because it`s easier to criticise something you have no knowledge about.
The difference is we drive / own the cars and we know the truth. An amazing bit of kit that may well weigh the same as a small house and stand taller than the Eiffel tower but somehow Porsche have managed to get it to sit flat on the road when cornering and handle like a car half it`s weight and a quarter of it`s size. Not only that after two hours in the saddle you hop out as fresh as a daisy ready to set the boardroom alight then hop back in the saddle to arrive home 2 hours later and pop down the Gym for a quick session.
Henry
The difference is we drive / own the cars and we know the truth. An amazing bit of kit that may well weigh the same as a small house and stand taller than the Eiffel tower but somehow Porsche have managed to get it to sit flat on the road when cornering and handle like a car half it`s weight and a quarter of it`s size. Not only that after two hours in the saddle you hop out as fresh as a daisy ready to set the boardroom alight then hop back in the saddle to arrive home 2 hours later and pop down the Gym for a quick session.
Henry
Henry-F said:
Because it`s easier to criticise something you have no knowledge about.
The difference is we drive / own the cars and we know the truth. An amazing bit of kit that may well weigh the same as a small house and stand taller than the Eiffel tower but somehow Porsche have managed to get it to sit flat on the road when cornering and handle like a car half it`s weight and a quarter of it`s size. Not only that after two hours in the saddle you hop out as fresh as a daisy ready to set the boardroom alight then hop back in the saddle to arrive home 2 hours later and pop down the Gym for a quick session.
Henry
The difference is we drive / own the cars and we know the truth. An amazing bit of kit that may well weigh the same as a small house and stand taller than the Eiffel tower but somehow Porsche have managed to get it to sit flat on the road when cornering and handle like a car half it`s weight and a quarter of it`s size. Not only that after two hours in the saddle you hop out as fresh as a daisy ready to set the boardroom alight then hop back in the saddle to arrive home 2 hours later and pop down the Gym for a quick session.
Henry
Course, they could have made it weigh alot less and have a lower centre of gravity and not just use air suspension and electronics to get it round corners...instead they took a VW, added a few bits and bolted on a 'fing big engine (and made it fugly in process!). It was cynical quick to market cash in on SUVs...soon the niche will be dead and so will this silly, silly vehicle (I am loathed to call it a car). I actually have alot more repsect for the Toureg-VW knew no better-but Porsche with their design prowess could have done so much more.
paracetamol said:
Course, they could have made it weigh alot less and have a lower centre of gravity and a load of other nonsense......
They could have made it lower (the Turbo as I`m sure you`ll be well aware given your extensive knowledge has air suspension as standard (3.2 & 4.5 had steel suspension std), and as such you can lower the car for on road / high speed use. However if they had made the vehicle lower err.... it wouldn`t have been an SUV and wouldn`t have any more internal space than a 911 (or possibly a 944/68/28).
As for making it lighter what does a 911 weigh, 1400-1500kg ? Given the Cayenne is bigger then it`s also going to be heavier. At 6`2" I weight more than my missus at 5`2". I`m not fat, in fact those who know me will testify I have the body of an adonis, I`m just taller.
Just for the record stripped of it`s electronics the Cayenne still handles very well. I can`t think of a time when I`ve had the electronics cut in driving one on the road. The Range Rover on the other hand relies heavily on it`s micro chips to stay shiny side up.
Henry
Henry-F said:
paracetamol said:
Course, they could have made it weigh alot less and have a lower centre of gravity and a load of other nonsense......
They could have made it lower (the Turbo as I`m sure you`ll be well aware given your extensive knowledge has air suspension as standard (3.2 & 4.5 had steel suspension std), and as such you can lower the car for on road / high speed use. However if they had made the vehicle lower err.... it wouldn`t have been an SUV and wouldn`t have any more internal space than a 911 (or possibly a 944/68/28).
As for making it lighter what does a 911 weigh, 1400-1500kg ? Given the Cayenne is bigger then it`s also going to be heavier. At 6`2" I weight more than my missus at 5`2". I`m not fat, in fact those who know me will testify I have the body of an adonis, I`m just taller.
Just for the record stripped of it`s electronics the Cayenne still handles very well. I can`t think of a time when I`ve had the electronics cut in driving one on the road. The Range Rover on the other hand relies heavily on it`s micro chips to stay shiny side up.
Henry
Range Rover spells old money and class...Cayenne (sic) spells WAG, football and dealer
paracetamol said:
Henry-F said:
paracetamol said:
Course, they could have made it weigh alot less and have a lower centre of gravity and a load of other nonsense......
They could have made it lower (the Turbo as I`m sure you`ll be well aware given your extensive knowledge has air suspension as standard (3.2 & 4.5 had steel suspension std), and as such you can lower the car for on road / high speed use. However if they had made the vehicle lower err.... it wouldn`t have been an SUV and wouldn`t have any more internal space than a 911 (or possibly a 944/68/28).
As for making it lighter what does a 911 weigh, 1400-1500kg ? Given the Cayenne is bigger then it`s also going to be heavier. At 6`2" I weight more than my missus at 5`2". I`m not fat, in fact those who know me will testify I have the body of an adonis, I`m just taller.
Just for the record stripped of it`s electronics the Cayenne still handles very well. I can`t think of a time when I`ve had the electronics cut in driving one on the road. The Range Rover on the other hand relies heavily on it`s micro chips to stay shiny side up.
Henry
Range Rover spells old money and class...Cayenne (sic) spells WAG, football and dealer
As much as I hate to admit it you do have a point, cars of this type do have an image, or indeed an image problem, but then so does everything that's not mainstream. Personally, like Henry, I am over 6' tall and built like an Adonis and chose the car because it best suited my requirements - and is now the longest I have ever kept a car, and in fact is the oldest car I've owned in the last 20years, since I bought my Ford Capri at 17 - testiment to its appeal and quality. If I could drive a 997 and not need another car I would, but for now I need family wheels.
I only have to drop the children at school to see 50% of the carpark taken with yummy mummys in Range Rovers, X5s etc (only 1 other Cayenne though). Again this is probably the heart of the image problem of all SUVs, fuelled I fear to the greater part by jealousy, not only of the cars but of all they represent.
Interestingly there are 2 WAGs, and both drive proper Range Rovers (not sports)!!
Edited by gregg13 on Friday 9th March 11:13
Edited by gregg13 on Friday 9th March 11:14
paracetamol said:
Range Rover spells old money and class...Cayenne (sic) spells WAG, football and dealer
You do talk some drivel. Have you never seen the player`s car park at a premier club training ground. It`s like a bloody Land Rover show room.
Ultimately highly paid footballers will purchase into most prestige marques as they have the funds available. I`ll wager a sizable chunk there are far more Range Rovers withing the FA than there are Cayennes.
Henry
OK Henry-F
I am willing to be pursued as to the mertits of the Cayanne. I can certainly afford one and need a new car with the imminent arrival of a baby. Could you arrange to lend me yours for a couple of days and I'll concede if its any good and I dont feel like a leper as I drive through London in it.
I am willing to be pursued as to the mertits of the Cayanne. I can certainly afford one and need a new car with the imminent arrival of a baby. Could you arrange to lend me yours for a couple of days and I'll concede if its any good and I dont feel like a leper as I drive through London in it.
Gentlemen, you are wasting your time with Mr Aspirin. He is a rather peculiar individual who trolls about the board proffering his strident advice on almost anything and has an alert set up for the word Cayenne so that he can immediately launch forth with his self righteous views on a car he has never driven. It also appears that he must always try to have the last word on the subject to protect his somewhat evident insecurities. Anyone who professes to be a petrolhead by being on this site and then compares a Cayenne to a Touareg and goes for the VW obviously a) has never driven both cars back to back, b) knows nothing about handling or engineering credibility, and c)evidently knows nothing about the huge costs involved in developing such a car from scratch. He also spectacularly fails to acknowledge that Porsche were in a tight financial position during the cars development and they gave the car styling that would be recognisable to the rest of the brand. Perhaps he could provide us with a sketch of his SUV that would incorporate recognisable Porsche styling signatures but would be more pleasing to the eye? Surely this will not prove difficult for such an obviously talented critic? After all it seems that VW were somehow true to their brand by giving the Touareg a corporate VW face. The fact that both cars share the same doors and roof (so therefore a large percentage of their body styling) seems to have escaped his notice. The front and rear styling simply reflect each brands corporate look at the time of design. I really have tried to help this poor fellow before by pointing out many of these issues in another thread but his command of the Queen's language is somewhat limited and it was evident that further exchanges were of no value to the board.
He simply enjoys baiting people with his ridiculous nonsense so you really do have to wonder just how old he really is. His repertoire on the subject is incredibly limited and mainly centres around his flogged to death dislike of the styling. Really Mr Aspirin, we get the point that the styling is not to your liking so be a good chap, get over it and move on. When faced with opposing views on this vehicle he reverts to type and starts to use insults as a means of getting his churlish point across or worse, starts to use an emotive subject such as road traffic fatalities to try and blackmail opinion. Now I see that he has decided to try the pathetic arguement of stereotyping drivers as being WAG's. Come on Aspirin, if you start down the road of slagging off a car based upon a small percentage of owners being footballers/WAGs or school run mums then you really have lost the plot. These cars are sold all over the world you know to ordinary people using them as everyday cars for towing, carrying families, shopping, commuting to work etc etc. And shock horror, there are even a significant number of people who use them off road which you'd know if you read some other forums. I hope you are slagging off Bentley Conti GT's, Aston Martins, Porsche GT3's, Ferrari 430's etc on other sections of this site just because they are driven by footballers and their WAG's. I would hate to think you were being incredibly selective on the use of this high brow arguement. A quick perusal of your contributions to other threads suggests that this is not the case however.
I really think we should all encourage him to consider standing for some sort of public office as his debating skills appeared to have been honed at the Prescott finishing school.
If he is so politically correct you have to ask why he would own an old Daimler (perhaps he thinks he is an Inspector Morse clone?) or the styling forerunner of the squatting dog Chrysler Crossfire - the MGB GT. Both of these probably generate twice the pollution of a modern Cayenne and the Daimler will almost certainly be less fuel efficient. And why would such a fervent advocate of sensible motoring require 4 cars?
So Mr Aspirin, please discard your unnecessarily large fleet of old tat, buy a bicycle and single handedly make the world a safer place with less emissions and help rid us of your older, unsafe cars without ABS (and therefore inherently longer stopping distances), crumple zones, pedestrian friendly bonnets or airbags. This would fit in perfectly with your philosophy of restricting personal choice and preventing people from buying cars that they want. Perhaps you were excluding yourself though from this policy which would not come as a surprise.
He simply enjoys baiting people with his ridiculous nonsense so you really do have to wonder just how old he really is. His repertoire on the subject is incredibly limited and mainly centres around his flogged to death dislike of the styling. Really Mr Aspirin, we get the point that the styling is not to your liking so be a good chap, get over it and move on. When faced with opposing views on this vehicle he reverts to type and starts to use insults as a means of getting his churlish point across or worse, starts to use an emotive subject such as road traffic fatalities to try and blackmail opinion. Now I see that he has decided to try the pathetic arguement of stereotyping drivers as being WAG's. Come on Aspirin, if you start down the road of slagging off a car based upon a small percentage of owners being footballers/WAGs or school run mums then you really have lost the plot. These cars are sold all over the world you know to ordinary people using them as everyday cars for towing, carrying families, shopping, commuting to work etc etc. And shock horror, there are even a significant number of people who use them off road which you'd know if you read some other forums. I hope you are slagging off Bentley Conti GT's, Aston Martins, Porsche GT3's, Ferrari 430's etc on other sections of this site just because they are driven by footballers and their WAG's. I would hate to think you were being incredibly selective on the use of this high brow arguement. A quick perusal of your contributions to other threads suggests that this is not the case however.
I really think we should all encourage him to consider standing for some sort of public office as his debating skills appeared to have been honed at the Prescott finishing school.
If he is so politically correct you have to ask why he would own an old Daimler (perhaps he thinks he is an Inspector Morse clone?) or the styling forerunner of the squatting dog Chrysler Crossfire - the MGB GT. Both of these probably generate twice the pollution of a modern Cayenne and the Daimler will almost certainly be less fuel efficient. And why would such a fervent advocate of sensible motoring require 4 cars?
So Mr Aspirin, please discard your unnecessarily large fleet of old tat, buy a bicycle and single handedly make the world a safer place with less emissions and help rid us of your older, unsafe cars without ABS (and therefore inherently longer stopping distances), crumple zones, pedestrian friendly bonnets or airbags. This would fit in perfectly with your philosophy of restricting personal choice and preventing people from buying cars that they want. Perhaps you were excluding yourself though from this policy which would not come as a surprise.
Edited by isuk on Friday 9th March 12:49
ISUK - voice of reason at last, second only to Henry F's balanced views! I also had a quick flick over the guys profile and previous threads, Interesting to say the least. Couldnt really be arsed to reply before to be honest.
I do enjoy the banter on PH and its generally pretty good humoured, each to their own and all that. The thing that actually got my goat was the stereotyping of the owner. My wife and I are neither WAG or Footballer or any of the other vitriolic terms that he was calling the owners. My little girl doesnt go to Private school, she's not called Tamara and no i bought my car outright from an OPC, not as a company car on PCP.
Insult the car mate by all means, i dont feel the need to defend my choice (the arguments for and against have all been said here and previous threads), but the cheap shots at the owners just make you look silly.
I notice you currently drive a boxster, which by the way i also enjoyed for 4 years, but how many times have you got to hear "Hairdresser" or "not a proper Porsche" before it gets a little bit tedious.
As a footnote, i see you had an Audi A8 (5034mm x 1973mm). Both longer and wider than a Cayenne (4782mm x 1928mm)
see here : www.garageplans.co.uk/enter.html?target=pg_51.html&lang=garageplans
One of the gripes with a lot of people is the space an SUVs takes up!
Paracetemol - Good luck with the baby in June, i genuinely mean that. But out of interest will you be selling the boxster? Mine lasted 6 weeks after our new arrival, at which point i chopped in the recently acquired Lexus and Boxster as it seemed more sense to run one car than have two. Babies change things a LOT!
I do enjoy the banter on PH and its generally pretty good humoured, each to their own and all that. The thing that actually got my goat was the stereotyping of the owner. My wife and I are neither WAG or Footballer or any of the other vitriolic terms that he was calling the owners. My little girl doesnt go to Private school, she's not called Tamara and no i bought my car outright from an OPC, not as a company car on PCP.
Insult the car mate by all means, i dont feel the need to defend my choice (the arguments for and against have all been said here and previous threads), but the cheap shots at the owners just make you look silly.
I notice you currently drive a boxster, which by the way i also enjoyed for 4 years, but how many times have you got to hear "Hairdresser" or "not a proper Porsche" before it gets a little bit tedious.
As a footnote, i see you had an Audi A8 (5034mm x 1973mm). Both longer and wider than a Cayenne (4782mm x 1928mm)
see here : www.garageplans.co.uk/enter.html?target=pg_51.html&lang=garageplans
One of the gripes with a lot of people is the space an SUVs takes up!
Paracetemol - Good luck with the baby in June, i genuinely mean that. But out of interest will you be selling the boxster? Mine lasted 6 weeks after our new arrival, at which point i chopped in the recently acquired Lexus and Boxster as it seemed more sense to run one car than have two. Babies change things a LOT!
Its been a very long thread this but the major problem with the Cayenne is still being forgotten..its a family vehicle that depreciates like 'uck,doesnt have 7 seats,does 12-15mpg around town and because of this gets nowhere near being a family option for me..too expensive,wife that doesnt give a shit about cars and 3 kids removes this horrendous looking 'rolex' on wheels from my choice..average speed on the family car runs currently at 22.1mph..well worth getting a Cayenne for that job.
Edited by kayc on Friday 9th March 14:21
Enough said.
I have just flicked through some old threads and appear to have been unwittingly dragged into a discussion, (which at best is suitable for the pub) with Victor Meldrew.
I feel sure a last comment is coming from Mr Viagra's corner, but for now all I can say is that I think my Cayenne Turbo is great, and I think I'm right, so there!
I have just flicked through some old threads and appear to have been unwittingly dragged into a discussion, (which at best is suitable for the pub) with Victor Meldrew.
I feel sure a last comment is coming from Mr Viagra's corner, but for now all I can say is that I think my Cayenne Turbo is great, and I think I'm right, so there!
gregg13 said:
Enough said.
I have just flicked through some old threads and appear to have been unwittingly dragged into a discussion, (which at best is suitable for the pub) with Victor Meldrew.
I feel sure a last comment is coming from Mr Viagra's corner, but for now all I can say is that I think my Cayenne Turbo is great, and I think I'm right, so there!
Great at what? I have just flicked through some old threads and appear to have been unwittingly dragged into a discussion, (which at best is suitable for the pub) with Victor Meldrew.
I feel sure a last comment is coming from Mr Viagra's corner, but for now all I can say is that I think my Cayenne Turbo is great, and I think I'm right, so there!
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